When do U stop building mounted units?

[IAM]

When do you stop building mounted units?

The two movement points are nice for speed so until I have a two movement unit like tanks I'll keep some mounted units in a stack and build replacements. I also find myself building more mounted units than I use to. They can move fast to defend threatened cities or pillage/capture workers. You can get two promotions from barracks/stable without running any war civics and the flank promotion increases survivability.

I sometimes skip chariots all together in favor of axes/spearmen for rexing defenders.

 

[stopstopp]

You stop building them after cav, as phants are no longer useful then

 

[mrdoe]

After a cav+cannons steamroll, I stop building because I would win dom by then
actually, I usually don't build mounted units; I only use cossacks when playing as russia.

 

[ParadigmShifter]

Cavs + pinch and combat are better than riflemen vs. infantry, so I'll build them if the AI has infantry and I don't.

EDIT: So emperor+ only I guess Immortal I'm normally beelining for internet anyway.

 

[Lemon Merchant]

I stop building mounted units when they start coming out as gunships.

I can't really call them mounted units any more, helicopters don't need horseshoes.

 

[TheMeInTeam]

I stop building mounted units when they start coming out as gunships.

I can't really call them mounted units any more, helicopters don't need horseshoes.

Gunships are classified as helicopter IIRC, not mounted.

I generally stop producing them around the infantry era, as they stop being able to flank siege, opposition has railroads killing their mobility advantage in enemy territory, armor is around the corner, and things like air and metal navies change the landscape of war a bit.

Although they CAN be useful on a 100% dedicated nuke beeline.

 

[PreLynMax]

Mounted Units < Tanks.
When the tanks roll the horsies die.

 

[TheMeInTeam]

Mounted Units < Tanks.
When the tanks roll the horsies die.

Tanks essentially took over their role in warfare, and they do in-game also. It's a shame cavalry waits so long to upgrade to something useful though.

Still, a comical situation is that cavalry WILL beat tanks if the tanks have their STR halved by fighters (or stronger aircraft). 15 str > 14, and the cavalry is at least as well promoted. The problem with that is that if the tanks are NOT halved, the roll over the horses like nothing.

Still, cavalry aren't to be ruled out, especially on heavy water maps where the player is going straight combustion. Cavalry get to amphibious faster than anything but the viking UU, AGG melee/gunpowder, and marines. Even infantry aren't so hot garrisoned at 1/2 str, so you can do some damage that way...although I usually wait for the productive bonuses available at AL and wind up using infantry or marines.

 

[ParadigmShifter]

Combat doesn't work like that though TMIT.

Combat strength is average of current HP and max HP.

 

[TheMeInTeam]

Combat doesn't work like that though TMIT.

Combat strength is average of current HP and max HP.

So you're saying displayed STR values are irrelevant? Even if that's the case, cavalry have >60% odds vs a tank after fighters have damaged it as much as possible. The actual strength might be a different value that the game hides from us (though it certainly doesn't seem that way in the odds calculation), but the end result is the same: cavalry will win or withdraw that matchup most of the time.

 

[ParadigmShifter]

That's what I thought.

Combat strength was the same as HP in Vanilla but that got changed in Warlords I believe. (To (current + max)/2)

Less HP = easier to kill though of course.

PieceOfMind is the man with the know-how.

 

[King Flevance]

That is kind of a cool way to make spearman vs. tank even less likely. Also, good to know. Thanks for that.

 

[Lemon Merchant]

Gunships are classified as helicopter IIRC, not mounted.

Quite correct. Once you reach advanced flight, you can no longer build mounted (horse) units, right?

Therefore, when I get gunships, I stop building mounted units.

Sigh. Sometimes the semantics of sarcasm are hard work.

 

[kochman]

I stop building mounted units when they start coming out as gunships.

I can't really call them mounted units any more, helicopters don't need horseshoes.

Air cavalry, I love it!
I still wish there was a chinook (CH-47) type unit though...

Throw some infantry in that! I would imagine, based on scale, one "chinook" could carry one "infantry" at least...

 

[Lemon Merchant]

Air cavalry, I love it!
I still wish there was a chinook (CH-47) type unit though...

I believe that Varietas Delectat with the Modern Era Pack enabled has Chinooks in it.

The problem is, I haven't played until the modern era in quite a while, so I can't remember any more. Time to move up a level, methinks...

 

[kochman]

What level are you on these days?

I made a brief stint in immortal, but decided it was too nerve racking, so I went back to emperor as my default.

 

[Lemon Merchant]

Lately, I'm at Prince. I've made a couple of attempts at Monarch, but it hasn't gone well. I'm beating Prince quite frequently these days, so I think it's time to bite the bullet and make myself stay at Monarch for a bit.

I sheepishly admit that when I'm testing out new BAT versions or additions, I play at Warlord.

(I need to get to the end of time without losing. And I don't count those cake-walk wins, either...)

 

[King Flevance]

I lost my game skills somewhere the past few months after a civ break. I used to play pretty heavy at Monarch to Emporer but recently I am in your same boat with Prince. I thought you were heading into Immortal levels now Lemon. o.O Not sure why I thought that. Did you used to?

 

[Lemon Merchant]

I lost my game skills somewhere the past few months after a civ break. I used to play pretty heavy at Monarch to Emporer but recently I am in your same boat with Prince. I thought you were heading into Immortal levels now Lemon. o.O Not sure why I thought that. Did you used to?

I think I might have said something once about Immortal being as high as I'll ever get. I'm not sure that I can be aggressive enough to play way up there in the rarefied air.

I've become a lot more of a meanie to the AI in the past year, but I still wait too long to strike sometimes. Too much estrogen, maybe.

 

[ParadigmShifter]

Monarch isn't that much harder than prince unless you warrior rush civs.