When's The Fastest You've Completed The Tech Tree?

[BOSS NASTi]

The fastest i've been able to do it so far was by 500 A.D.

 

[sigmakan]

Was that with or without the 40% handicap?

 

[BOSS NASTi]

Was that with or without the 40% handicap?

I love how you think your trying to make a point here when your obviously not. If you've played with any good players in this game, then you yourself would know that running a 40% Handi is the only way to go if your trying to play the game at a more efficient pace when playing the MP and if your trying to play it competitively. I used to be where your at now bro thinking that Handi was hella cheap and all that negative stuff. I didn't run a Handi for the first 3 weeks of the demo and I was still beasting it with using my adapted Feeding strats and other one's that I made up during that time.

But then I found out about Handi, and it just speeds up your time to make buildings and get units out that's all and it's great. It makes the game get started a lot sooner than it normally would. So now I don't have to wait longer just to get some of the simple stuff done.

But i'm going to assume that you haven't been able to even get that close, hence the way that you've responded.

 

[sigmakan]

Nah, I just like messing with you. Its quite fun.

 

[BOSS NASTi]

Nah, I just like messing with you. Its quite fun.

Bro the funny thing is that you think i'm getting mad or agitated or what not. But sine you have no common sense to tell that peoples emotions can be expressed by exclamation marks and what not. The funny thing is, is that I don't use those. But i'm happy that your sad life is getting enjoyment off of a forum by thinking your actually messing. I love how you try and make up the illusion of you messing with me. The funny thing is that i've have countered and back'd-up everything i've said toward all your posts and this is how you resort to taking that kind of beating. Well I guess this is the typical way to respond when you don't know how to strategically debate. You are a sad individual.

 

[vale]

Boss Nasti:

Here is what I will say about your achievements:

Play a single player game (no luck of the draw in opponent skill) and since you love your handicap so much put it on chieftain so you get the free warrior and some combat bonuses. Then complete the tech tree and we'll talk about your date. Or get an economic victory there and we'll talk about your date. Or a cultural victory even and we'll talk about your date.

Your dates with a 40% handicap in multiplayer where you can be assisted (wittingly or unwittingly) by another player are meaningless.

The fact that someone got a 500BC economic victory in multiplayer with a 40% handicap is all I really need to know about handicaps (that is 35 turns from the start by the way).

 

[wayneflo]

But sine you have no common sense to tell that peoples emotions can be expressed by exclamation marks and what not.

I think many read a lot of arrogance and disrespect for others into your posts. So, naturally, they are more aggressive with you than normal.

I have read a lot of posts by Vale and Sigmakan, and have found they always have relevant comments that are stated politely.

I would have to say your comments are rarely respectful or polite. Whether they are relevant or not, I can't say, since the 40% handicap takes away the credibility of your accomplishments.

Normally, I would never comment on someone's grammar, since I know there are some very young players and I expect them to still have a few problems with written communication. But, since you are so rude, I think it would come off better if you learn to spell words correctly and improve your grammar. I usually have to read your posts several times to figure out what you are trying to say.

I apologize for the rudeness of this post. Normally, I would not post this type of comments. I promise to never do it again if you make an effort to treat other's opinions with respect.

 

[BOSS NASTi]

My responses are in bold.

Boss Nasti:

Here is what I will say about your achievements:

Play a single player game (no luck of the draw in opponent skill) and since you love your handicap so much put it on chieftain so you get the free warrior and some combat bonuses. Then complete the tech tree and we'll talk about your date. Or get an economic victory there and we'll talk about your date. Or a cultural victory even and we'll talk about your date.

Why would I waste my time playing SP when it takes no skill to play. It gives you more of a Handi than necessary. Bra you like to play SP, not me pimp. I'm gud enough to work da MP bro. Bro I completed it by 500 A.D. in the demo pimp. A 500 B.C. Econ Vic that quick? That's it? C'mon bra, dat's so easy to do. Bra if I was playing SP then I would have finished the tree close to 0 A.D. Are you serious? Bro i'm happy that your the SP Pro. I'm sure you treasure that title. the fact of the matter is, that MP takes more than SP irregardless if your running a Handi or not because Chieftan & Warlord both give you more than a 40% Handi anyways.

Your dates with a 40% handicap in multiplayer where you can be assisted (wittingly or unwittingly) by another player are meaningless.

Bro are you serious? Assisted by who? I don't need waste my time trading techs, that was done be me pimp. Myself and noone else. As I can tell by your constant assumptions. I think I detect someone's jealous. Are you mad because I was able to finish the tech tree faster than you on MP in the demo? It's ok you can let it out, ima be here for a while. If you need to go on Dr. Phil or Oprah, pimp you just let me know and i'll put the call in.

The fact that someone got a 500BC economic victory in multiplayer with a 40% handicap is all I really need to know about handicaps (that is 35 turns from the start by the way).

C'mon bra you act like that's hard to do. I mean you have to maybe get lucky once or twice but it's not extremely hard to do if you know what your doing. But please bra, neva think that I test things out with a partner, maybe in the beginning, when the demo first came out. But please, never compare me to you, or what you do in this game/demo. I'm so above needing someone to hold my hand to get somewhere in this game. Dat's pretty low of you bro to even say that, to even consider that I would do that. Please check yoself one time pimp.

 

[BOSS NASTi]

My responses are in bold.

I think many read a lot of arrogance and disrespect for others into your posts. So, naturally, they are more aggressive with you than normal.

Their more agressive because they don't know how to properly post and then they get agitated due to the fact that they don't support their statements and just talk out their asses.

I have read a lot of posts by Vale and Sigmakan, and have found they always have relevant comments that are stated politely.

Noone's talking about their comments not being relevant, most of them are, but then their are some that are not. I clearly stated, if you would have actually read my posts like you said you did, but clearly didn't due to the fact that you missed the most important thing that I had to keep repeating toward them and now unfortunately I must do the same for you. Is that they make statements, but don't use the correct evidence to support what their saying. Now this isn't all the time, because noone said anythinga about all the time. Butin the situation when they do. they are totally oblivous to what their actually saying.

I would have to say your comments are rarely respectful or polite. Whether they are relevant or not, I can't say, since the 40% handicap takes away the credibility of your accomplishments.

Bra who are you? Thank you for your opinion Dr. Phil. The funny thing is, that your in the same boat as them. You guys think that a 40% Handi takes away the credibility or spirit of the game as it were. But the truth is, running a Handi is a lot better than not running one, due to the many points and facts that i've stated about it in my previous posts. Almost all of the so called good players at this game, or even most players who are good and know what their doing run a 40% Handi. You think it's cheap, but it's not cheap when everyone is using it. Don't get mad cuz ur dooke running a Handi. You don't have to push your negativity towards me cuz you don't know how to run a Handi properly.

Normally, I would never comment on someone's grammar, since I know there are some very young players and I expect them to still have a few problems with written communication. But, since you are so rude, I think it would come off better if you learn to spell words correctly and improve your grammar. I usually have to read your posts several times to figure out what you are trying to say.

Then why are you? Why are you sitting here contradicting yourself. Bro I see contradiction written all over this paragraph. It's all over the first sentence. Bro you need to go take an Ebonics class before you honestly think someone would listen to you over some forums bra. How immature and rude of you to try and tell me how to live my life. But essentially that's what your saying by telling me your opinion. Bra if you have to read my posts several times then you are Illiterate and just a plain out Tard bra. Bra do you have a deficiency? Cuz you sound like you do.

I apologize for the rudeness of this post. Normally, I would not post this type of comments. I promise to never do it again if you make an effort to treat other's opinions with respect.

Bro why are you apologizing, but i'm happy that their you go contradicting yourself one more time. Thank you so much for contradicting yourself twice, and once again like last time it shows in the first sentence of this segment. Niggaa who are you to be giving orders at me pimp. Your nobody to me. I don't even know you and you don't know me. But you still have the Audacity to try and give me orders and try and tell me how to live my life. Because once again, essentially this is exactly what your doing. How immature, once again.

Thank you for all your opinions. The funny thing is though, is you think I care, what you say bro. . .. .. .. .. . I love how your making all these claims, but you just like those otha two niggas(means person in general for those of you who feel the need to point out that i'm using a word that in society is viewed upon as a deragatory word when it's really not, that would be the er- version of the word). Bra, please learn and comprehend what properly posting is and how it's done. Because you still don't understand how to do this, even though you think you do, but you don't. Please comeback correct next time bra.

 

[vale]

No jealousy here.

First of all, I haven't played multiplayer games yet. Every time I try to connect I have waited 10+ minutes with no games found. So I'm not too impressed with the demo multiplayer. Maybe in the full game I will have better luck.

So yes, you are "dominating" my best multiplayer results which don't exist.

But if your strategy is so strong, and single player with no handicap is so easy, you should be able to prove it in the controlled environment of single player and no handicap. What I constantly cull from your posts is that you rely on a handicap crutch and would be unable to do well at all without it and are thus afraid of playing single player even on chieftain.

And talking out of an orifice? I am sorry but that is you. You have cluttered up the strategy and tips forum with boast posts that contain neither strategy nor tips except for the claim that "all good players use a 40% handicap". You back up your posts with "bras" and "dudes" and "beasts" and no concrete evidence of your claims.

You claim you could finish the tech tree at 0 AD in single player with no evidence. That is 40 turns to research 33 techs. You can then build Oxford and find Atlantis to get 4 more techs. Now some might be backfilled, stolen when capturing a city, found in a hut, popped with a great scientist, or bought from an AI. You will probably start with Code of Laws as I'm guessing you would do this with the Romans. So lets say you only have to really research 30 technologies. That means that you need to have at most 10 turns where you don't complete a research. I'll go ahead and call that impossible. If you think it can be done prove me wrong, but back it up with some facts and ideas about how you managed to do it instead of just blustering.

In contrast, I back up my posts with facts and examples. I contribute actual strategies and tips to this community.

Also just so you know because it doesn't seem like it, 500 BC is 25 turns before 500 AD. You claim a single player 500 AD economic victory. Great. Thats a nice win. I had a 450 AD Economic win a few days after the demo was out. But I'm talking about a 500 BC economic win which is ridiculous. That is 9 turns before my best economic win at 200 AD and I had insane luck in that one popping a great explorer, great scientist and great humanitarian which all are useful for this victory type. As far as I'm concerned that is proof of the ridiculousnes of a handicap.

Given your "optimal" settler pumping strategy, I can safely state that you are relying on the handicap to generate your "amazing" results because you definitely are not optimizing there at all.

 

[magikarcher]

I am new, but this is rather humorous to watch. I didn't realize 'til just now that there was demo for Civ Rev, thanks! *runs to xbox360*

 

[The Turkinator]

Boss Nasti:

To me you have proven only that handicaps can be abused. I dont think all the good players use handicap,only those who are either new to the game or those who are trying to show how much they can own given an unbalanced game. Finally, I dont at all understand why you found it necessary to attack everyone who even hints at the fact that the handicap nulls your results. Theyre right, and I'm sure you know it.

I also agree with everyone of vale's points in the absurdity of the handicap given what youve been able to accomplish with it. Or maybe just lie about accomplishing.

I hate to be so blunt in one of my limited posts (dont get on here too much) but I think it needs to be said, even if I do have to be rude back to you.

Turk

 

[Goodasiansir]

Here comes the sun, here comes the sun,
and I say it's all right

Little darling, it's been a long cold lonely winter
Little darling, it feels like years since it's been here
Here comes the sun, here comes the sun
and I say it's all right

Little darling, the smiles returning to the faces
Little darling, it seems like years since it's been here
Here comes the sun, here comes the sun
and I say it's all right

Sun, sun, sun, here it comes...
Sun, sun, sun, here it comes...
Sun, sun, sun, here it comes...
Sun, sun, sun, here it comes...
Sun, sun, sun, here it comes...

Little darling, I feel that ice is slowly melting
Little darling, it seems like years since it's been clear
Here comes the sun, here comes the sun,
and I say it's all right
It's all right

As the Beatles so eloquently leave me at a loss of words, I ponder Boss Nasti's existence. I then realize he has no life, so much so that he plays with a handicap. It is my guess that he actually does know about all the true intricacies of the English language, but simply uses poor grammer and word choice to further his inward perception as "cool." Victories such as he describes are impossible, even with handicaps. You are a very bad liar Boss Nasti, if your going to lie to make yourself feel better you should at least make up a lie that is actually realistic. Turk, your completely right, in fact every one in this thread except Boss Nasti is completely right.

 

[vale]

So I decided to attempt a "pure" tech game where I went all out for tech and didn't worry about a victory condition.

Finished the locked tech tree + 3 atlantis techs and 1 oxford tech in 550 AD.

But it slowed down the victory significantly as I avoided deep beelines that I normally would pursue in both economic and cultural victories. So I didn't actually finish the UN until 900 AD.

Basic idea was as a normal game except as I started getting rolling I only went after techs I could finish in one turn. From my third tech on (Pottery) every tech was a single turn research. I backfilled exactly one tech along the way (democracy) and I popped 0 techs from huts and the only GS I got I needed to settle early to keep the speed up so I had to full research everything else. So out of the 37 techs I ended with:

I started with Code of Laws
I backfilled Democracy
Atlantis gave me Mass Production, Corporation and Communism
Oxford gave me Adv. Flight
Alphabet and Bronze Working took a while
The other 30 techs took 1 turn each.

Since it took my 51 turns to finish my research, it took 21 turns to get those first two techs out of the way in the initial set up.

In fact once I started researching alphabet it was a 5 turn research and bronze working was a 2 turn research but the 14 other turns were spent focusing on expansion.

I avoided revolting to democracy as it got randomly backfilled at some point and I didn't want to spare the anarchy. So I had to build a second large city. I also got University relatively late in the game so I didn't have as much gold to play around with as I usually do.

Not hard to finish the tech tree early like that but it felt pretty pointless as I could easily have won the game 400-500 years earlier by beelining.

 

[phr0ze]

BOSS - Just the point of the thread demonstrates a level of maturity and easily creates an environment for argument.

In several other threads I've seen you post things that amount to the the same.

Good luck.

 

[TooTrickyFoU07]

I lol'ed at the fact a person trying to persuade in such an egotistical, educated manner uses words such as ". .. .. .. .. ." and "bro". It contradicts itself, don't you think? So you're trying to insult, persuade, and act cool all at the same time?

Boss Nasti, just give up the act "bra", because true, down, G'd up "niggas" like you really don't need to insult people in this community.

 

[General Drake]

I agree with TooTricky.

Insulting people's input, especially after you started the thread with a question is pretty messed up.

Secondly, why does it matter how fast you've completed the tech tree.

Thirdly, I don't think you can complete the tree by 500 AD, it's just not possib -- oh wait, you're running a handicap. my bad.

 

[MonRiverMonarch]

I just completed the tech tree in 500BC...oh wait, I'm running an 80% handicap. Does that count? ha ha

 

[someguy486]

Finished the locked tech tree + 3 atlantis techs and 1 oxford tech in 550 AD.

I don't see how this is even possible. By the end of the demo the most teched units I have is a catapult and once I had Knights.

 

[vale]

These strategies are using population transfer to build one or two max population 31 city at the expense of some of its lesser cities. Because of the output of "work in city" workers, one large city is much better for tech than many small cities. This is compounded by the fact that you can stack many tech/commerce multipliers in your large cities easily to create a super city that handles all of your empires tech and much of its production.

This definitely still works on Deity. I just finished four games to get the four deity achievements (all used Rome). I had to be somewhat more conservative at the start of each game and in all of them I had a large early tech/production deficit but eventually the power of the strategy came through. Don't be afraid to pay off a neighbor early if necessary. Just take him out when you get a tech lead.

Saladin is great for the 1000 AD King victory achievement.