Which Civ we should have before Civilization VI?

[SnowKomodo]

Antarctica. A civ that can settle ice tiles and is ruled entirely by penguins.

Someone please tell me there is a mod for this with penguin graphics and everything. I would totally play the lights out of this.

Speaking of which, I would really love a civ that gets heavy benefits for snow tiles. EDIT: And ice and tundra!

 

[Verified_Confection_Being]

I'd prefer it if there were heavy science benefits later on in the game or something like that to make it a really fun late rush to expand there

A civ that gets bonuses in tundra i would like though, i feel like tundra is almost viable, but just unoptimal for a regular civ. They would almost always get a religious benefit from practically exclusive access to the tundra pantheon too

 

[SnowKomodo]

Slightly off topic, but are there any potential tundra/snow wonders? We have desert and coastal specific wonders so I'm just wondering

 

[God of Kings]

Slightly off topic, but are there any potential tundra/snow wonders? We have desert and coastal specific wonders so I'm just wondering

There is the Aurora Borealis for example, which can provide and bonuses. There is also the Haughton Impact Crater found in Canada's Devon Island, the world's largest uninhabited island. Haughton Island is used as a Mars analogue, therefore it can be used for increased

 

[Verified_Confection_Being]

Slightly off topic, but are there any potential tundra/snow wonders? We have desert and coastal specific wonders so I'm just wondering

No strictly speaking snow/tundra but Himalayan is the Taktsang Monastery or Potala palace. They could give a bonus for tundra or snow tiles.

 

[ezbutton]

I'm Canadian and I was tempted to vote for it but lets face it the aboriginal civs are pretty damn cool and I wouldn't mind more. So I voted Sioux!!

Aztecs and Iroquois in vanilla, Incans in DLC, Mayans in G&K and Shoshone (I will always think of these guys as the Apache or Comachee or w/e) in BNW. Although I only covered the America's (including South), I would still love more since the color, kit and themes of all of them are well done.

 

[Verified_Confection_Being]

The color, kit and themes of all of them are well done.

I don't quite agree, there are some outrageous and careless errors made in adding some of them, but i too would love to see more!

I think there are far better options than the Sioux though! I would much rather a civ that achieved significance on its own rather than gained notoriety as a pain in the arse for american expansion, the Sioux were not a significant people before the arrival of the Europeans, and only became significant as the iconic "injuns" of western movies.

There are some fantastic examples of civilizations throughout the americas and plenty in south america which are so ignored! It's such an underrepresented continent

 

[crocivfanatic]

Croatia,who else?I mean seriously,without Croatia there wouldn't not be electricity

 

[Bakspatel]

I would vote for Belgium, just because it would be funny to see people rage about a new European civ.

 

[otaman1]

Croatia,who else?I mean seriously,without Croatia there wouldn't not be electricity

Republic of Ragusa perhaps?

 

[God of Kings]

Republic of Ragusa perhaps?

I really hope that MadDjinn does not come here and demand it be called "Republic of Ragasu"

 

[SnowKomodo]

I don't quite agree, there are some outrageous and careless errors made in adding some of them, but i too would love to see more!

I think there are far better options than the Sioux though! I would much rather a civ that achieved significance on its own rather than gained notoriety as a pain in the arse for american expansion, the Sioux were not a significant people before the arrival of the Europeans, and only became significant as the iconic "injuns" of western movies.

There are some fantastic examples of civilizations throughout the americas and plenty in south america which are so ignored! It's such an underrepresented continent

If we want a truly important tribe, look no further than the Mississippians.

I'm actually surprised they haven't been in the game yet through 5 civ installments

Their architecture was gorgeous

 

[PhilBowles]

There's other choices yes but I wouldn't say they're necessarily better.

Ho is well known, respected and represents the most well known part of Vietnamese history.

The best arguments against his exclusion are at best misaligned political correctness and at worst blatant propaganda.

"A niche strategy game has famous a Vietnamese leader leading Vietnam! The horror!"

Well-known or not, it's hardly Vietnam's golden age and while he might be respected, from what I know (admittedly from Vietnamese living outside Vietnam) even the Vietnamese still call "Ho Chi Minh City" Saigon - outside official government documents, the only place you'll hear that name is likely - ironically enough - to be the US, which has a peculiar sensitivity about using the natives' official name for a place (even when the people living there don't).

And no, the best argument against his inclusion is that - as stated - there are better options, several of which have been presented. Ho Chi Minh was a rarity as a Communist leader whose legacy was generally positive, but none of the people on this forum who I've seen identify themselves as Vietnamese have suggested Ho Chi Minh as their preferred leader choice. Not knowing a great deal about Vietnamese history, I'd defer to them on how the people of that country feel they'd be best-represented.

^Basically, yes, of course all the Southeast Asian countries are different.

But because none of them (apart from potentially Indonesia in the future) is powerful enough on their own in comparison to the other giants of Asia, so the concept of a "Southeast Asian pillar" has taken form.

I stand by what I said. Five pillars:
-China
-India
-Korea
-Japan
-Southeast Asia

Does that make more sense to people now?

I'm sceptical that Korea can be considered a "giant" in any sense - economically (although not politically, as it appears to take a somewhat isolationist stance in global affairs aside from acting as a global bank) Japan can stand tore to toe with India (less so China these days), but by GDP measures South Korea ranks 15th (Indonesia is 16th), far from comparable with SE Asia as an entire block and a long way down from any of the others. Politically it's America's foothold in East Asia rather than a major player in its own right.

By this rationale, the devs are one Civ short from Southeast Asia, but we should still be happy because they took a step forward from just the usual single SEA Civ like in Civ I - Civ IV

The Khmer in Civ IV were the first SE Asian civ in the series - I don't recall any in Civs I-III.

 

[SonDuff]

I'd like to see new civs with unique gameplay styles, like Venice. It gives a complete twist to the strategy you usually use with another civs. For example, the huns shouldn't be allowed to create new cities besides their capital, and create some mechanic (like the Merchant of Venice) to compensate the lack of city creation.

 

[Verified_Confection_Being]

If we want a truly important tribe, look no further than the Mississippians.

I'm actually surprised they haven't been in the game yet through 5 civ installments

Their architecture was gorgeous

I know, they would be fantastic There are just so many civs that could be added to civ 5, and people are saying roll on civ 6?!? Yay, more Alexander, Napoleon and Gandhi...

I'm sceptical that Korea can be considered a "giant" in any sense - economically (although not politically, as it appears to take a somewhat isolationist stance in global affairs aside from acting as a global bank) Japan can stand tore to toe with India (less so China these days), but by GDP measures South Korea ranks 15th (Indonesia is 16th), far from comparable with SE Asia as an entire block and a long way down from any of the others. Politically it's America's foothold in East Asia rather than a major player in its own right.

I think you gotta pay more attention to pillar than to giant in his analysis, they aren't by any means equal, but they are loci around which the economics of east asia seems to revolve.

I'd like to see new civs with unique gameplay styles, like Venice. It gives a complete twist to the strategy you usually use with another civs. For example, the huns shouldn't be allowed to create new cities besides their capital, and create some mechanic (like the Merchant of Venice) to compensate the lack of city creation.

I don't think the huns can be done right in this game. What i would really like to see in civ 6 is nomadic gameplay that runs as a viable alternative to settling.

 

[God of Kings]

There should be a civ that does not use gold (think the Harmony faction in Endless Space).

There are some civs that simply never had a concept of money.

 

[PhilBowles]

I don't think the huns can be done right in this game. What i would really like to see in civ 6 is nomadic gameplay that runs as a viable alternative to settling.

I still think there's scope for going a bit further that we've seen first with barbarians and now with city-states as AI-controlled entities. Civ IV had periodic barbarian invasions as random events - I can see a group like the Huns done as a similar kind of AI-only nomadic "civ", not too dissimilar from the way games like Medieval II Total War or Crusader Kings treat the Mongols.

As it stands, the best argument the Huns have for being in the game is Attila's leader screen, and you only get to see that when he's an AI anyway.

 

[Verified_Confection_Being]

I still think there's scope for going a bit further that we've seen first with barbarians and now with city-states as AI-controlled entities. Civ IV had periodic barbarian invasions as random events - I can see a group like the Huns done as a similar kind of AI-only nomadic "civ", not too dissimilar from the way games like Medieval II Total War or Crusader Kings treat the Mongols.

That does sound quite fun, but i just think it would be some awesome to play nomadically too, civilization no longer precludes nomadic peoples and this game has quite clearly acknowledged them now. Maybe they could go crazy and do both

 

[SnowKomodo]

I'm sceptical that Korea can be considered a "giant" in any sense - economically (although not politically, as it appears to take a somewhat isolationist stance in global affairs aside from acting as a global bank) Japan can stand tore to toe with India (less so China these days), but by GDP measures South Korea ranks 15th (Indonesia is 16th), far from comparable with SE Asia as an entire block and a long way down from any of the others. Politically it's America's foothold in East Asia rather than a major player in its own right.

Within Asia alone though Korea is fourth (Indonesia is fifth)

I don't mean to call Korea a giant in the sense that they are toe-to-toe with China. I mean in terms of Western foreign international relations - as well as internal geo-politics - there are five pillars in Asia that are a head above the rest. And Korea is one of them.

 

[otaman1]

The Huns weren't always nomadics. Attila established a centered empire, the Hunnic Empire, which became a civilization until it fell to barbarians