Vahnstad
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Not a french history expert so I miss out on people. I'll add new people in the poll if people request me to do so.
Which French leader do you want to see in CIV 7
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Lord Lakely
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I have a top five of prefered French leaders. Number 4 will surprise y- jk this isn't buzzfeed. Feel free to inhumanely euthanize me if I ever devolve into that crap.
1. Charlemagne
2. Louis XIV
3. Clovis
4. Richelieu
5. Napoleon
Louis and Charlemagne would be my main choices, with one being the base game leader (ideally Charlemagne, since that also covers the HRE and opens up a slot of Frederick II or Adenauer for Germany), and the other being an alt. Louis especially is the FACE of royal France and deserves to be included once more.
As for the others, Clovis is a nice alternative to Charlemagne for the early-French merovingian vibe, while Richelieu could provide a delectable moustache-twirling duplicitous villain in the same vein as CdM in Civ 6. Finally, Napoleon, ever the French icon, rounds up the selection.
As for the Civ 6 leaders:
CdM and Eleanor were choices I didn't like at the time (and I'm usually strongly pro-vag when it comes to Civilization leader options), but I've grown to love both. However, since they're both in Civ 6, they should sit out in Civ 7.
1. Charlemagne
2. Louis XIV
3. Clovis
4. Richelieu
5. Napoleon
Louis and Charlemagne would be my main choices, with one being the base game leader (ideally Charlemagne, since that also covers the HRE and opens up a slot of Frederick II or Adenauer for Germany), and the other being an alt. Louis especially is the FACE of royal France and deserves to be included once more.
As for the others, Clovis is a nice alternative to Charlemagne for the early-French merovingian vibe, while Richelieu could provide a delectable moustache-twirling duplicitous villain in the same vein as CdM in Civ 6. Finally, Napoleon, ever the French icon, rounds up the selection.
As for the Civ 6 leaders:
CdM and Eleanor were choices I didn't like at the time (and I'm usually strongly pro-vag when it comes to Civilization leader options), but I've grown to love both. However, since they're both in Civ 6, they should sit out in Civ 7.
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I just voted for Charles de Galle and Henri IV (Bon Roi Henri). Why is Philippe Petain even on there? And, if Dark Ages FRANKISH rulers (before the formation of FRANCE as a Kingdom with the coronation of Hugh Capet in the mid-10th Century, are valid, shouldn't Vercingetorix, by that logic, also be a valid French leader?
Louis XIV: "Make Château's Great Again"
I don't have a preference for any other really. Charlemagne would be interesting and if they wanted to bring back a double leader make him for Germany as well.
I don't have a preference for any other really. Charlemagne would be interesting and if they wanted to bring back a double leader make him for Germany as well.
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Clemenceau could be interesting to change, with a bonus of the style "Père la Victoire : When you take an enemy city during a war, increases the happiness of your cities and cancel the war wear" or "Le Tigre: +20 military power to all units against civilizations against which you have waged at least one war previously." it could be nice.
By cons, small correction. It is not Jacques but Georges Clemenceau.
By cons, small correction. It is not Jacques but Georges Clemenceau.
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Uh, the Franks became the French; the Gauls did not. I'm not sure I want to see Francia and France treated as the same civ, but it's waaaay more logical than treating the Gauls as the same civ.
As for my top choices for France, I'd like to see Francis I, Henry IV, or Louis XIV. I'm a big fan of Philippe Auguste, but I'm not sure I really want a militant France. Also in Civ7 I want a Chevalier as France's unique unit. I feel like France deserves to have the archetypal knight.
(Also why on Earth are Voltaire and Madame Curie on this list?
And anyone who votes for Louis XVI needs to first be slapped with a history book and then needs to read the history book. 
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Sostratus
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I think france is a very deserving civ in a vanilla release of any civ game. With that said, either our favorite sun king or napoleon are both excellent choices for this role - precisely because they are both archetypal enough to fit in with a lot of different takes on france.
However, if the play up the holy roman aspect of Germany again in civ7, an eleanor situation where Charlemange is a leader for france and germany would be sweet.
However, if the play up the holy roman aspect of Germany again in civ7, an eleanor situation where Charlemange is a leader for france and germany would be sweet.
Lord Lakely
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Yeah I agree. In an *ideal* game the differentation between Franks and French (to use the same example) would be more nuanced. I tried this when I put together my Civ 7 design (which I've recently picked up again) by giving France and Francia different colours, a different city list, as well as different UUs and abilities. I'll include the structure + the abilities in tags
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So basically, both of them share an ability and a unique component (in this case, the Château), but each also have the usual Civ 6 layers of EUA/LUA/UU/UI on top of that. (as well as different colours, emblems and city lists)
The issue with a build like that, while better than Civ6's rather shallow solution, is that you really need to build the game around this split, otherwise it overtly complicates the mechanics of the game. (Not to mention that you basically give *more* abilities to Civilizations without a "twin", but that isn't necessarily a negative). Complexity shouldn't be a problem - a game like EU4 which keeps building on its previous foundations proved this very well - if you can anticipate how a human would use these mechanics. Civ 6 isn't there yet, and I will calmly-if-somewhat-begrudgingly accept an "India" that has both Changragupta Mauyra and Mohandas K. Gandhi as leaders.
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Charlemagne was given the title "Emperor of the Romans," by Pope Leo III (to the anger, outage, offense, and disgust of Irene of Athens, effective power behind the throne for Byzantine Emperor Leo IV and regent for her son, Byzantine Emperor Constantine VI, both of whom were legally recognized in Constantinople by that time as the sole holders, respectively, of the title, 'Emperor of the Romans,"), but the institution of the actual Holy Roman Empire didn't come into formal being until around 150 years or so after Charlemagne's death, and the first Holy Roman Emperor proper was not of even of the Carolingian Dynasty.
@Lord Lakely I like your solution a lot. It's an elegant way to handle civs that "don't quite fit," like Francia/France or Wessex/England.
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But if you have Wessex and England paired, what about Northumbria? How could we pass up an opportunity for the sinister and ominous (but allegedly also very pious
) Oswiu?
I'm fond of Anglo-Saxon history personally, but I have a hard time imagining a game targeted at a general audience would choose anyone other than Alfred. (Oswiu would be fun, though. So would Æþelflæd, whom Firaxis is clearly aware of given she's a Great General in Civ6.)But if you have Wessex and England paired, what about Northumbria? How could we pass up an opportunity for the sinister and ominous (but allegedly also very pious
Lord Lakely
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I use Minor Civilizations for those :3 They replace City States and function as an NPC Empire (they cannot win, and can only settle a limited amount of cities, plus can be vassalized peacefully). That way you can have things like Burgundy and Normandy in the game without having to upgrade them to fully-fledge civilizations.
Also, there are always mods.
Also, there are always mods.
Morningcalm
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1. Cardinal Richelieu (cunning spymaster with an awesome appearance (red cape and all), appears in the Three Musketeers, patron of the arts, and founded the Académie française, the cultural institution for French language)
2. Henry IV the Good (great warrior, well liked by his people, resolved the Wars of Religion by famously converting to Catholicism)
Napoleon has never been represented in a compelling way in Civilization.
While Louis the Sun King might be popular for his iconography, he also bankrupted France with his wars, so I suggest not picking him.
I wouldn’t mind Charlemagne or Catherine de Medici making a return, but getting new leaders for France is good since variety is key.
2. Henry IV the Good (great warrior, well liked by his people, resolved the Wars of Religion by famously converting to Catholicism)
Napoleon has never been represented in a compelling way in Civilization.
While Louis the Sun King might be popular for his iconography, he also bankrupted France with his wars, so I suggest not picking him.
I wouldn’t mind Charlemagne or Catherine de Medici making a return, but getting new leaders for France is good since variety is key.
Henri Christophe
L'empereur
Voltaire was a French leader?
I vote to Louis XIV, as he said once. Je suis d'Etat.
I vote to Louis XIV, as he said once. Je suis d'Etat.
"L'état, c'est moi," technically.
Henri Christophe
L'empereur
Considering Richelieu was far more powerful than the king, I think choosing Louis XIII over the cardinal would be strange. Richelieu's biggest barrier in Civ6 is that CdM already fills his niche.
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