Which martial art is better?

[brennan]

Fifty is correct. As was Skadistic when he said mixed fighting styles were best. Hence my answer.

Look up ultimate fighting and you'll see why.

 

[Fifty]

Well if we're talking purely street fighting I'd say greco-roman wrestling (or possibly judo/sambo) and muay thai in conjunction is your best bet.

 

[Elta]

All the ones you listed completely suck.

The best are:

1. Wresting (freestyle/collegiate/greco-roman)
2. Brazilian Jiu-jitsu
3. Muay Thai
4. Vale Tudo
5. Judo/Sambo

As far as effective 1 on 1 fighting I would say Fifty is 100%* correct.

I do also on the other hand have a aperciation for Tai Chi It helped me control my breathing and I became a much better much more focused fighter from it. I also used a Tai Chi throw in a tournment without even thinking about it because I had been doing the move every morning and the guy steped right into it.

I would say they are all good if you need to be fit and more confident, allthou
I would strongly advise agianst learning Tae Kwan Do outside of Korea ....it is SUPERwatered down over here. Or so I hear from people I know who were stationed in Korea + If I didn't know it was effective over there I would call it garbage all together.

*Except where he said Boxing is not any good, it is not better than Muay thai but, you allways learn the basics of boxing in muay thai before you move on and just boxing + wrestling you learn in high school can be very effective.

 

[Elta]

By the way, if anybody is interested here is a highlight of the greatest martial artist in the world right now (and probably ever. he would make bruce lee, muhammad ali, etc., look like nothing) here it is:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8055308976260561043

Bruce Lee althou he was stronger than 99.999% of people his weight (130lbs) http://www.mikementzer.com/blee.html
He is still 100 lbs lighter than Emilinako ...who is pretty much all muscle also, so it's sort of a given that he would lose.

Now the real question is would Bruce Lee dominate the 145 lbs and 150 classes in Pride and the UFC ....I'll start a tooic in spoirts for that question

 

[Fifty]

*Except where he said Boxing is not any good, it is not better than Muay thai but, you allways learn the basics of boxing in muay thai before you move on and just boxing + wrestling you learn in high school can be very effective.

My main issue with pure boxing is that a majority of street fights take place eithr in the clinch or on the ground.

 

[brennan]

Aside from the fact that they can't grapple, boxers take a battering better than anyone else. Pure boxers usually beat kick-boxers.

 

[brennan]

Now the real question is would Bruce Lee dominate the 145 lbs and 150 classes in Pride and the UFC ....I'll start a tooic in spoirts for that question

No contest. Can you even imagine anyone even stepping in the ring without being scared ****less?

 

[Fifty]

Now the real question is would Bruce Lee dominate the 145 lbs and 150 classes in Pride and the UFC ....I'll start a tooic in spoirts for that question

Kid Yamamoto would WORK Bruce Lee. He is simply held in a state of awe by people who don't know any better. Saying he would beat a modern MMA champ is like saying that Babe Ruth would be a good hitter in the current MLB.

Aside from the fact that they can't grapple, boxers take a battering better than anyone else. Pure boxers usually beat kick-boxers.

I call BS. Pure boxers surely would beat kickboxers in a PURE BOXING MATCH (duh) but in an MMA match a boxer would get absolutely ruled by the likes of CroCop, Peter Aerts, Semmy Schilt, Ernesto Hoost, Mark Hunt, etc.

Do you have ANY proof of your claim?

 

[brennan]

Sure: are you naming guys who grapple, cos that ain't kickboxing now is it?

 

[Fifty]

Sure: are you naming guys who grapple, cos that ain't kickboxing now is it?

Nope, those are all kickboxers.

EDIT: Found this good example of what happens when kickboxers face boxers

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSiE9Ed8jW4

Boxing is cool and everything believe me I love it, but it is just silly to say they could contend against kickboxers. Boxing stance makes you so vulnerable its ridiculous.

 

[Elta]

My main issue with pure boxing is that a majority of street fights take place eithr in the clinch or on the ground.

Yeah your right, all 3 fights I had in high school (that were real fights not me and my friends messing around with the gloves on) were ended by neck wrestling and me kneeing the guy in the face, I recon I could have one by other means but in my area most people are of a paticular ethnos that often have longer arm reach than a white/mexican ..so I had to close the distance quick.

 

[sanabas]

Not sure why you're fixated on the idea that MMA is the be-all and end-all off martial arts. Or why you're so contemptuous of martial arts that don't translate well to MMA competition. To pick some examples, in the real world, people can have weapons. In the real world, you can be fighting multiple people. In the real world, evading and running away can be the best solution. How much of an MMA fighter's training is about facing weaponry, multiple attackers, or about running away?

 

[Fifty]

I really stand by my conviction that grecoroman/sambo/judo mixed with muay thai would be the ideal combo for street fighting the more that I think about it.

Muay thai makes you devestating in the clinch, and if you can execute even a simplistic throw (which is easy against an unskilled person) on pavement you can put them OUT.

 

[skadistic]

How much of an MMA fighter's training is about facing weaponry, multiple attackers, or about running away?

As much as any other style. Maybe even more since its a mix.

 

[Fifty]

Not sure why you're fixated on the idea that MMA is the be-all and end-all off martial arts. Or why you're so contemptuous of martial arts that don't translate well to MMA competition. To pick some examples, in the real world, people can have weapons. In the real world, you can be fighting multiple people. In the real world, evading and running away can be the best solution. How much of an MMA fighter's training is about facing weaponry, multiple attackers, or about running away?

Like I said, I have a position as to what's best for street fighting. keep in mind we're talking about martial arts here, so I assume we're talking about no holds barred fist fighting. If you're concern is just simply "fighting no rules weapons allowed gangs of people welcome " then the answer is very simple: get a gun.

 

[Sidhe]

Well if we're talking purely street fighting I'd say greco-roman wrestling (or possibly judo/sambo) and muay thai in conjunction is your best bet.

No style? Surely whatever works works? Name one style? Name a counter, best style is Tai jitsu, there is no style, adapt and overcome. And of course kill

Essential fighting technique, just use any means neccessary, and any style that comes to mind. And if it's not rule bound just kill them ASAP. Tai Jitsu, look and learn, a Tai Jitsu master can kill and will,and will use the fewest moves possible, and will not be bound by a fighting style. Kill, kill, kill...

I'd say if you're talking any fighting, the one that uses the fewest moves to killl you is the best, and the one that has no style is the best, how can you fight against the unknowable?

 

[Synobun]

Tei Chi is best

 

[sanabas]

As much as any other style. Maybe even more since its a mix.

I'd actually say very little since these guys are specialising in 1 v 1, in-ring combat with specific rules.

No style? Surely whatever works works? Name one style? Name a counter, best style is Tai jitsu, there is no style, adapt and overcome. And of course kill

Essential fighting technique, just use any means neccessary, and any style that comes to mind. And if it's not rule bound just kill them ASAP. Tai Jitsu, look and learn, a Tai Jitsu master can kill and will,and will use the fewest moves possible, and will not be bound by a fighting style. Kill, kill, kill...

I'd say if you're talking any fighting, the one that uses the fewest moves to killl you is the best, and the one that has no style is the best, how can you fight against the unknowable?

Since when is excessive force a desirable thing?

Like I said, I have a position as to what's best for street fighting. keep in mind we're talking about martial arts here, so I assume we're talking about no holds barred fist fighting. If you're concern is just simply "fighting no rules weapons allowed gangs of people welcome " then the answer is very simple: get a gun.

Fair enough. Although guns have problems too. They can be slow to access, they can be very inaccurate, especially without training, they can result in accidental damage to others as well.

I really stand by my conviction that grecoroman/sambo/judo mixed with muay thai would be the ideal combo for street fighting the more that I think about it.

Muay thai makes you devestating in the clinch, and if you can execute even a simplistic throw (which is easy against an unskilled person) on pavement you can put them OUT.

Fair enough. I think what is most effective is whatever form allows you to achieve your goals the easiest. That's going to be a different martial art for different people with the same goals, and different again for people with different goals. For me, for use as self defense, for use while bouncing, and for use in aiding and adding skills required for sports I've been involved in, I'll go with the mix of stuff I've actually done in any sort of depth, which is Jiujitsu/Aikido/Krav Maga. I also did some judo at school, but retain very little of it. The most important skill I learnt from that, and still have, is how to fall properly.

 

[Sidhe]

In tai Jitsu it's the whole of the law. As a martial art it's unparalleled because the idea is to kill, and nothing else matters. Look at the Bourne identity, fighting to kill, change adapt overcome if you live you learn, that is Tai jitsu in a nutshell.

Of course if your aim isn't to kill, then you can modify. It's perfect, learn all styles: none are acceptable. Counter all and do it in the least possible moves, someone throws a punch you break an arm, someone kicks you break a leg, someone tries to stab you you disarm and kill them, someone wont go down after you broke their arm, you punch hard into a pressure point such as the cranium, or the solar plexus and they're dead. If death is your aim not weak ass namby pambying about, tai jitsu. And any other martial art that kills too.

 

[skadistic]

I'd actually say very little since these guys are specialising in 1 v 1, in-ring combat with specific rules.



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Wait I don't understand your point. Show me any one style that focuses on multible attackers.