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Which Missing Civ IV Feature do you Miss the Most?

Discussion in 'Civ5 - General Discussions' started by DarkSchneider, Sep 28, 2010.

  1. Inspiration

    Inspiration Chieftain

    Jan 9, 2006
    This. So many times this.

    And no it is not because I'm scared of change. It is because in CIV4 the way your cities developed was actually fun and closer to realism.

    Keeping your empire happy in CIV5 feels like keeping a few badly designed formulas balanced.
  2. simonjphillips

    simonjphillips Chieftain

    May 31, 2010
    Religion - Seriously.
  3. DeadFish

    DeadFish Warlord

    Apr 11, 2003
    Harrogate, UK
    Micromanagement and religions.

    And espionage and corporations.

    Many more including better looking rivers!
  4. zonk

    zonk Prince

    Oct 30, 2005
    1. Religion
    So the implementation never quite fit right - but fix it, don't kill it.

    2. Events
    If we're counting BTS. I love events. I know many do not, but hey -- there was a simple checkbox to disable them. Quests, too.... I loved random events and quests so much that I edited the events file to make them all active in every game.

    3. City management
    Cities feel more like depots now. Part of it is the lack of city specialization, part of it is the build times for buildings (this seems to be the one complaint that everyone seems to agree on, no?). I rarely even both reviewing cities in V.

    4. Espionage
    Yes, this was deeply flawed.... but I still miss it - no, not missing the AI going on water poisoning sprees, but I did like the challenge of blunting the AI's espionage ability. In a way, it wasn't something I so much used -- though, I very much liked upping my espionage level so as to see what the AI was researching -- as much as something that was an additional challenge from the AI to blunt.

    5. Missing techs
    The tech tree feels far too streamlined... ancient, classical, and medieval in particular -- seems like I'm reaching the renaissance far too quickly and left with a feeling of "where did everything go?" Haven't done a Vanilla IV vs. V tech by tech comparison yet -- and it's possible my view is being clouded by RoM/AND.

    6. Missing units
    Again, maybe I'm misremembering -- and it's probably because of "embarkation" and the effect it had on ship types -- but I feel like I'm missing units... longbow vs. crossbow.... etc

    7. Missing resources
    Stone, copper, pig, corn, rice... stone got boiled into marble, and I get the argument that copper/iron were duplicative (though, really - they shouldn't be).

    8. Missing buildings/builds now more 'rote'/pathed
    The high cost of buildings pretty much means you have to stick with rote paths... a lot of this is the absence of religion, and those buildings.... but - the high build cost and maintenance costs means even your capital shouldn't even dream of building 'everything'... which is silly...

    9. Individual leader traits
    As a wonder builder, I'm pretty much stuck playing as Egypt (20% wonder bonus), rather than having several options in IV -- where I could mix/match civs and special units/buildings with leaders with wonder bonus

    10. Unit promotions
    They're so vanilla now... there's no specialization... and there seem to be a lot fewer of them.

    11. Civ IV minimap
    The V minimap is dreadfully awful/near worthless.

    12. Unit pathing display
    Self-explanatory... I cannot count how many times I send a unit a great distance, it runs into the pathing problem where it cannot share a tile, but then I forget where I was sending the unit

    13. Worker stacking
    Pyramids has become one of the few useful wonders (there are a couple others, but wonders are severely nerfed, especially for the cost, IMO).
  5. Buccaneer

    Buccaneer Deity

    Nov 2, 2001
    Nothing except for CTRL-I (but keep all of the popups, they're great).
  6. shadowplay

    shadowplay (boss music)

    Nov 6, 2003

    Interchangable civics.

  7. drgoodspeak

    drgoodspeak Chieftain

    Sep 11, 2007
    Huddersfield, UK
    Being able to label tiles. I used to love using this to label areas within my Civ, name forts etc and provide labelling for higher level Military formations; Army, Corps and Divisions etc.
  8. Atwork

    Atwork Immortal

    Mar 19, 2006
    Santa Cruz, CA.
    I'm still getting used to CIV5 and I certainly miss things like corporations, some form of religion, and espionage -- but vanilla CIV4 didn't have those components either. I really miss CIV4's events log, which tracked a lot more info.... And like an earlier poster, I too miss revolutions mod.... I also miss being able to label tiles. I really miss the BUG mod that let a person set reminders for turns in the future..... I'm sure a lot of this will find it's way back into the game via mods or expansions though, so I'm not too worried yet.

    But I disagree with people who are saying that city specialization isn't important in CIV5 -- I would argue that it's more necessary than ever -- there simply isn't time to build everything in every city. Plus, with the maintenance costs, it doesn't make sense to build a building unless it meshes with the city's strengths. In the game I'm playing, I have 2 science cities, 2 economic cities, 2 military cities (one naval), 2 culture cities, 1 wonder-building production powerhouse city, and 4 jack-of-all trade cities. So far, the formula has worked nicely. On the other hand, happiness buildings do end up being spammed (but what influential city lacks such buildings?)

    Also, I'd like for someone to make their argument that micromanaging is no longer important in CIV5. I spent an hour tweaking my tile placements before bed last night to better meet my civ's needs. The only difference was that I had a national agenda in addition to a local agenda in mind.
  9. Blitz66

    Blitz66 Chieftain

    Sep 24, 2010

    Civics I can change.

    More units.


    Unhappiness city by city.

    A tech tree with real choices.

    Non transparent diplomacy.

    Functional UI.

    Turns that don't take 3 minutes.

  10. Korseau

    Korseau Chieftain

    Sep 20, 2010
  11. milk steak

    milk steak Warlord

    Sep 17, 2010
    Being able to ping locations in multiplayer.
  12. Alvin Tostig

    Alvin Tostig Chieftain

    Feb 2, 2010
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