Which missing Civs should be added ?

[Jonathan]

I am a modern Scandinavian, but I am certainly not some sort of "modern Viking".

You're not? Damn. Thus perish all illusions.

Actually I didn't see any Vikings when I lived in Stockholm, 1989-93. I assumed they'd all gone off somewhere for an extended orgy of battle, rape, and plunder.

Maybe someone opened a tin of fermented herrings and they suddenly decided to leave.

 

[Roland Ehnström]

Jonathan, have you tasted a red fly fungus again?

-- Roland

 

[Roland Ehnström]

maybe a civ "Mesopotamia" instead of Babylon and Sumeria?

YES, that definately sounds like a good idea.

-- Roland

 

[falloutboy14]

I voted for Turks and Poland, they'd add a good mix of nations that peaked after Rome and before 1500-1600. Also did the Zulu for another African civ.

 

[MRM]

I'd much rather see the scandinavian civ be called "Scandinavia", than "The Vikings".

A Viking is a Scandinavian/Norse warrior! In civ terms, The Viking is the UU of the Scandinavian civ.

You CAN use the word "Viking" as a name for Scandinavia, but then at most you can mean medieval Scandinavia from the 8th to the 11th century AD. "Scandinavians" is a far better name, since that's what the people of this region of the world have been called for thousends of years. For example, as a Swede, I am a modern Scandinavian, but I am certainly not some sort of "modern Viking".

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viking

-- Roland

You are probably right but -

1. Scandinavia is a so terrible long word
2. Vikings sounds much cooler

 

[durfal]

I only named 6 of the list given.
Dutch, Korea, Khmer, Maya, Turks, Vikings.
My 7th choice would have been the Ethiopians.

 

[Roland Ehnström]

You are probably right but -

1. Scandinavia is a so terrible long word
2. Vikings sounds much cooler

I guess we can rule out the Carthaginians, then. Not to mention the Portuguese. Heck, "scandinavia" is even easier to spell than "civilization"!

-- Roland

 

[agoodfella]

I named Koreans, Dutch and Vikings.

...Vikings would be badass!

 

[abbamouse]

My first addition will be Polynesia. It's a great "civilization" without a single empire or state. It's accomplishments are really quite impressive -- they reached Easter Island in canoes, against the prevailing winds! Their numbers are relatively small, but they still cover a huge amount of territory (if you include the vast expanses of ocean between Polynesian societies). Plus that part of the world map is empty right now 8

 

[Utherhimo]

siberians!

 

[Skirmisher]

Sweden instead of Vikings.

While I can understand that many want the Vikings to be in the expansion pack I would rather have Sweden included.

The reason is that the term viking does not cover the population of Scandinavia. Viking is a verb. To go viking means to go on a raid. Also the age of the Vikings, if it must be called that, was rather short - from around 700-1000.

The reason that Sweden should be the civilization covering Scandinavia is that seen objectively (I'm not Swedish myself) it is probably the most representative in terms of influence on European history and subsequently in terms of culture, science and war.

To that end there are two leaders to choose from. Gustav Adolph II who invaded Germany during the Thirty years War and Karl XII who invaded Russia during the Great Northern War.

The former was famous for being one of the first to employ mobile artillery on the battlefield. So there is a UU.

Edit: I now see someone already covered this, but my point stands.

 

[HourlyDaily]

Top 8 at this point by votes - for a possible expanison

1. Babylon - clear winner.
2. Turks/Ottomans - big empire, lasted hundreds of years.
3. Vikings - everyone's secret favourite raiders.
4. Carthage/Phoenicia - Great Roman rival and we all will miss Hannibal/
5. Zulus - Been in every civ, Shaka - the asshat you love to hate,
6. Celts - YAY!!!!!! Won't say any more.
7. Maya - Civ favourite, Central and South American world filler.
8. Dutch - Seafaring and trade power. Good to see them 'in' at this point.

I'd take those 8 in the first expansion any time, in fact I wouldn't have it any other way.

but I imagine the Iroquois will leapfrog into any possible pack.

 

[Roland Ehnström]

Sweden instead of Vikings.

While I can understand that many want the Vikings to be in the expansion pack I would rather have Sweden included.

The reason is that the term viking does not cover the population of Scandinavia. Viking is a verb. To go viking means to go on a raid. Also the age of the Vikings, if it must be called that, was rather short - from around 700-1000.

The reason that Sweden should be the civilization covering Scandinavia is that seen objectively (I'm not Swedish myself) it is probably the most representative in terms of influence on European history and subsequently in terms of culture, science and war.

Your reasoning about "Vikings" being a bad name for the scandinavian civ is sound (however, "Viking" is not only a verb - it's a word that can be used in many ways). But I don't see why you want to narrow it down to just include Sweden, instead of including all of scandinavia. Sweden as a civ (?) isn't seperate at all from Norway or Denmark. To me, Sweden, Norway, Denmark and Iceland all belong to the same "civ": The Scandinavians.

I'm Swedish, but nonetheless I must say that Sweden in itself is hardly worthy of being included in a game like Civilization (well, maybe if there were 50 or 100 civs included). But a pan-scandinavian civ would be worthy for sure (maybe not in the original 18, but surely in an expansion pack).

To that end there are two leaders to choose from. Gustav Adolph II who invaded Germany during the Thirty years War and Karl XII who invaded Russia during the Great Northern War.

The former was famous for being one of the first to employ mobile artillery on the battlefield. So there is a UU.

To me it's pretty obvious that the Scandinavian UU should be the Viking (replacing the Maceman perhaps).

As for leaders, if I was to include two leaders for Scandinavia, one would be a leader from the Viking age (probably Ragnar Lodbrok), with Aggressive as one of his traits and hopefully Seafaring as his second trait, á lá Civ 3 Conquests. He would favor the civic Police State. The other leader I'd chose would represent Sweden's time as a major european power in the 17th century (1611-1718 AD). I'd chose the king who started this "Golden Age" of Sweden, Gustav II Adolf (Organized and perhaps Philosophical (or Creative?), favoring Representation), king of Sweden 1611-1632, rather than the man who ruined it all, Karl XII, king of Sweden 1697-1718.

-- Roland

 

[Alphidius]

I choose all except the Zulus (no offense to Zulu fans)

But in terms of which will be my 8 favourites in an upcoming ep?
They are (alphabetically):
1) Babylon
2) Celts
3) Carthage (I would love using Rome against them )
4) Iroquois
5) Siam
6) Sioux
7) Turks/Ottomans
8) Vikings (or what Roland suggested, Scandinavians. Sounds better)

 

[Skirmisher]

Re: Scandinavians

Ok. Out with Karl XII. He was also from a German family.

Ragnar Lodbrog might be a good choice, but the problem is that there are not any reliable sources on him. Saxo Grammaticus who wrote a history on him, did so based on oral references, and over 200 years after the reign of Lodbrog - so it is not very believeable. He is claimed to be from Swedish Ancestry.


Wouldn't Margaret I, a Dane, be a better choice? After all there are too many male rulers in Civ as it is. She formed the Kalmar Union which united Scandinavia for a little over a century (1397-1520)

 

[Ghafhi]

Should be added cause we need more black african civs

 

[doronron]

Carthage was Phoenician, as in Middle Eastern. You want subsaharan black, the two prime candidates are Ethiopia and Mali.

 

[RichardMNixon]

I'm of the opinion that people who definitively invented one of the ancient technologies are worthy of inclusion.
Polynesia
Israelites
Phoenicia
Babylon
Turks
Vikings (The only thing in existence cooler than pirates. Although from what I've heard, Knut sounds like the best leader, and then even I've heard of Gustav Adolphus, so him too)
One thing I would really like to see in an expansion pack is for every civ to have two leaders. I think I'd be happy with a (can't think of a clever name...) with just new civs, two leaders for each, an extra leader for the remaining civs with one, and one new civic for each category. And maybe Shinto because that would just be cool.

 

[Eshnunna]

Babs Babs Babs,
And ottomans too
Scandinavia
And why not phoenicia/carthage

 

[elderotter]

I have to stress Zulu's here only because in Civ3 before the xpacks I feared them so much that I started playing them just so I wouldn't be invaded by the hordes that the AI always seemed to generate.