While We Wait: Part 4

[Thlayli]

Thlayli, a clear distinction must be made between trade outposts, settler colonies and resource colonies (colonies of occupation. Or whatever else they call them in English nowadays). There are many differences, and yet these are all too often treated as though they were identical but for their size and wealth.

Exactly what I was saying!

I'm still not sure what that qualifies British India as. Seems a fusion of settler and resource, trending towards the latter.

 

[das]

A resource colony, definitely; a certain amount of administrators and such is always required in those, and India was simply big enough to warrant a lot of them. It wasn't really a settler colony as such, just a particularly huge and intricate resource colony.

What's more interesting is the abundance of trade outposts, though I suppose that most resource colonies grew out of those anyway.

 

[Disenfrancised]

I'm still not sure what that qualifies British India as. Seems a fusion of settler and resource, trending towards the latter.

It was neither; India was a set of nations, that Britain happened to own and run .

To put it another way, it was a non-metropol non-settler developed territory and its main contribution to the empires treasury was from taxation of commerce and industry rather than from tithes on the sale of exports. The only other colonies that come close to having that relation with their respective empire were late colonial America, late colonial Brazil, and French Indochina.

A better colonial ranking would be:

Outpost
Prestige
Trading
Light Extraction (main gains for the metropol come from resource securing and taxing of exports, light extraction indicates low density activty)
Intense Extraction (main gains for the metropol come from resource securing and taxing of exports, intense extraction sees much higher population densities without economic diversification, most slave economies occur here)
Market/Developed (main gains for the metropol come from a broad taxation of the colonial economy and additional manpower, could also refer to extractive colonies with a very mixed activity portfolio, colony has significant internal market and often industry)

Any of the last three can be settler colonies as well.

Thus:
Australia 1900 - a large Light (with some regions of Intense and Developed) Extraction Settler colony.
India 1900 - a huge Market Colony with some Intensive Extraction regions.
Guadeloupe 1800 - Tiny intensive extraction colony.
Chinese Treaty ports - tiny Trading/developed colonies

 

[sp1023]

I took this out of the NESing Census because this conversation seemed unless to the topic at hand over there. Stalin said to bring it over here, so here it is.

Quoted for super correctness

The difference with Sp and to a much lesser extent Charles Li is that these are spammers(not n00bs) who refuse to learn and to constructively participate in our community and our forum. We/I have tried to lend helping hands, to give advice, to be generally nice in attempts-that now appear misguided-to make them better players. There have been glimmers of improvement from Charles(thank the lord) but not many, and Sp has shown time and time again that he is unwilling(not unable) to improve and learn. If harsh criticism is what it takes to force these two to shape up, then I will gladly dispense of it. I'm sure that they will be constructive players and members in the future, but as of right now their inability to learn is a detriment to all the games they are in-and even the ones they're not.

But with Charles and Sp the story is different. It is of two Americans who want in without working, who are lazy and show no drive, no motivation for improvement. Instead of rising to the challenge the NESing forum presents, they seemingly wish to drag us down with them. NuclearKid was once the same way, but with criticism and some hard knocks, he has become the quality and competant player he is today. Precedent vindicates my at time venomous outbursts, because if it is only through words that we may regret someday that we can build up Charles and Sp, then we must use them when needed in order to render them no longer necessary.

When we build up new players, we must treat them as people, so they can see how the talk is talked, the walk is walked, the story is told and the game is played. There is a time for advice and a time for criticism, and we must not disregard the second option because it makes some of us uncomfortable. If the occasional outburst of annoyance and animosity is needed for growth than it must be allowed, if only to give these players glimpses of what people are thinking but would never dream of saying to their faces. NESing is a constantly evolving art that we all create, and it requires all of us to learn and adapt-new players the most. To be a NESer, one must show the ability to learn, to build up one's self, one's character(pun intended) and one's intellect. When Sp and Charles show this, and begin to make active strives to improve, I'll smile, sit back, and these sorts of comments will disappear until needed again.

No motivation for improvement is correct. Because, you guys don't help! Ok, name one thing that you have done other than abuse me vocally, and take advantage of my noobiness.

You take advantage of me. You said that I could pay you in BirdNES to keep you from attacking me. And I even had that in my draft orders, and you would have had one extra ep, had it not been for the intervention of Little Boots. He said that you would have to go through another country just to get to the coastline before you could transport to Luallen with ships. Again I thank those that actually help me against the follies of my misdemeanors. There are some that actually help, and then there are some that simply say they do.

And sometime ago, when I asked for what I could use as a definition for spam, to prevent further spam... Justo said spam was defined as everything I did. So technically, I can't really be blamed for that. It just wasn't specific enough.

Imo, sp's this spammy only because he's only 13. I used to be like him when I was that young too...

Actually, I am 12. And I am positive you weren't a dejected loser like me.

How can you expect them to improve if all you do is moan and yell about them and ask them to leave?

I haven't played with sp yet so I dunno much about him but I do know Charles is trying anything he can to improve. I've seen it in NESlife and I noticed it several other times in other places. Sometimes he tries to make a spammy badly spelled joke that isn't funny but I don't consider that the fall down of NESing. So get off him.

As for sp. He can't be that bad. Just can't! But I guess I can't really talk until I see him in "action".

When you join any of the numerous NESes I play, you will notice that I am considerably better at some than others. All that shall be explained later. I am better at some other countries than others because I know about them. For example, in BombNES, I believe I am doing better than most other NESes because I know about the country. I had to do quite a few reports on Spain before, and know what is IC and OOC. Also, I joined that NES after a few months of intense practice. So, at the start, I felt a lot more confident about not getting annihilated by another country, and thus improved my ability as Spain.

 

[North King]

No motivation for improvement is correct. Because, you guys don't help! Ok, name one thing that you have done other than abuse me vocally, and take advantage of my noobiness.

Honestly speaking, people would like you a lot better if you didn't ask questions that were in the rules or that were located in posts immediately above yours. That's the most annoying thing you can do that I can think of. Otherwise, after time you'll improve and people will treat you as one of the family.

Note that we have a highly dysfunctional family. Thus, joining it may not be a good thing.

 

[sp1023]

I have noted that and am attempting to cut down on reckless and silly mistakes like that.
You have been helpful, although the same can't be said for Swiss.

 

[North King]

I have noted that and am attempting to cut down on reckless and silly mistakes like that.

That's an excellent first step. The only other thing that you can really do is read up on your history and look at examples for orders.

You have been helped, although the same can't be said for Swiss.

Don't thank me too soon. I'm not a good neighbor in Bird's NES.

 

[jeps]

sp1023, i have seen improvement. there is still a way to go, but keep trying. (NOTE: not judging your NESing, for I am not one to judge that, but your posting in general). some suggestions: read the rules as many times as needed. almost every BirdNES update I would check the rules. Sure, they did keep changing, but I wanted to make sure I was doing everything legal. Same with stSbNES, as at first I didnt get it but with questions and effort i finally did. PM the mod important questions (EQ gets long series of questions from me all the time). Use google for references you don't get. I am not ashamed to admit I look up things WAY more than I would like. don't ask a question that can be answered by wikipedia in 5 seconds. and try to avoid double posting, and control your emotions in posts (dont let annoyance at another poster affect your attitude towards everyone, or even them in your posts). finally, the two most important things: THINK BEFORE YOU POST. read over the post. make sure it is what you want it to say. make sure it makes sense. USE SPELL CHECK. if your internet browser doesn't have a spell check, copy and paste everything into Microsoft Word or your equivalent. the occasional typo is fine. the occasional word spelled CORRECTLY is not so great.

none of us start out perfect, whether we acted this way in person or on the internet, but everyone starts somewhere.

looking forward to working with your spain.

 

[JosefStalinator]

Sp, the fact that you can type made you, from day one, inherently superior to Charles Li. At least in my book.

 

[sp1023]

looking forward to working with your spain.

I look forward to working with my Portuguese ally.

And thank you for your moral support.

EDIT: I appreciate your support, Josef. But all Charles really has to do is give his posts a read over, which, even for idiots like him and I, should be quite easy. Firefox would help too.

 

[Terrance888]

I made no improvement... **** you ****** ***! Someone must've forgot to look at Honzas's Native American NES_cz... I knew it isn't a good idea to stuff my golden age into NESes that have very few insulters.

 

[jeps]

I could have sworn in my advice to another poster I DID say control your emotions in a post. where could that have been?

 

[North King]

I made no improvement... **** you ****** ***!

...The irony of this sentence is bordering on unbelievable. Part of improving would be not loading your posts with curses directed at someone else.

 

[sp1023]

I am not going to comment on Charles' comment, it seems to have been degraded already.
However, I would like a complete NESing makeover and I would appreciate on what you have to comment about spam. What defines it? What is included in it? What is the limit? How can you tell?

 

[North King]

However, I would like a complete NESing makeover and I would appreciate on what you have to comment about spam. What defines it? What is included in it? What is the limit? How can you tell?

There are more or less two ways I'd define spam: something off-topic, and something useless. Off-topic is tolerable in small amounts: at least, I think so. The latter is intolerable in any amount; that's the sort of thing where someone posts something stupid just because they like the look of their own posts.

 

[Terrance888]

I made no improvement... **** you ****** ***! Someone must've forgot to look at Honzas's Native American NES_cz... I knew it isn't a good idea to stuff my golden age into NESes that have very few insulters.

...The irony of this sentence is bordering on unbelievable. Part of improving would be not loading your posts with curses directed at someone else.

Awwww.... it just says
'Flip you unseen cur!'

 

[Nylan]

There's hope for all new players. After all, I've turned out okay so far (not that I've been able to do a whole lot). If there is hope for me there is hope for all mankind.

 

[silver 2039]

Anyone seen Sweeny Todd?

Its really gay...I mean it has to be, it has Johnny Depp in it. But its hilarious. Completely hilarious. I think Epiphany is my favorite song from the movie..it really touches my heart. Yeh funny movie, I recommend watching it.

 

[Israelite9191]

Sweey Todd really was a good movie. I'm not sure I would necessarily call it "funny," but it definately has its moments.

 

[LightFang]

I liked Sweeney Todd.

Everybody whom I was watching it with except for one guy thought that song "Joanna" was so sweet and touching. I thought it was incredibly creepy.

Joanna,
I feel you.
Joaaaanna.

Do you think the walls can hide you?

*shudder*