Why are rommel, napolean, and Hannible considered great generals.

The English language in many things not as exact as other languages. So empire means in German also only Reich and not neccessarily Kaiserreich. Only with an addendum it becomes a word describing the rulership, too (Königreich= Kingdom, Kaiserreich= empire). That can be ruled by a king or emperor or even being a democracy. The kind of government is in no way neccessary to speak about a Reich. A Reich is also not better translated with realm, as this means that the territories are not belonging to the kingdom itself but to the king as ruler (example: Schleswig and Holstein were realms of the Danish king, but not part of Denmark).
That means the British Empire was an empire although ruled only by a king or queen (who was only emperor/ empress of India and not Britain).
The history therefore was the old Roman tradition to be claiming the ruler of the Earth. The same happened in China and Japan. However only after medievel times the Sultan of the Ottoman empire, the Tenno, the Chinese emperor, the Negus negesti of Ethiopia, the Shah of Persia, the emperors of Vietnam and Korea were accepted as emperors. The czar of Bulgaria could not successfully claim that. In former colonies the Brazilian emperors were able to hold the crown until 1888 the crown princess abolished slavery and that lead to a revolution by the conservative forces. The emperors of Mexico and Haiti were soon removed and Bokassa was only a farce emperor.
However in Europe Byzanz claimed to be the only emperor as successor of the Roman Empire. That was countered by the Frankish and later Holy Roman Empire, who claimed to be Roman empires. After the fall of Constantinople 1453 also the Czar of Russia claimed to be an emperor as being the third Rome as he had married a Byzantine princess. Later the Napoleon let himself crown as emperor of France. Austria did so as heiring the title from the HRE 1806, while the Germans wanted to reestablish the title in 1848/70/71 as head of state (The German Kaiser did not have the title Kaiser of Germany not to solve the problems concerning the Swiss and Austrian territories, which belonged to the HRE and in which German was spoken).
In the HRE the German king was crowned as Roman emperor and not as German Kaiser! And not all German kings were able to become emperors before late medievel times. Then being German king was also being Roman emperor.
To become king/ emperor the prince electors of Germany had to vote for him. Originally all ruling princes should have voted but that was soon dropped. These were relicts from the democratic-feudalistic traditions of the Germanic tribes. However only a few princes could elect:
The arch bishops of Trier, Cologne and Mainz, The Pflazgraf bei Rhein, the duke of Saxony, the Marquis of Brandenburg and the king of Bohemia. Later the dukes of Bavaria and Braunschweig-Lüneburg were added. After the Reichsdeputationshauptschluß of 1803 there were some more changes, but I do not post it here as they were never really executed as 3 years later the whole HRE was dissolved.
The German king was so an elected monarch and he was never able to transform that into a "normal" monarchy. Although especially in modern times the heirs were mostly elected, too, that was not a law forcing that. But that meant, too, that no German prince could become a king of a territory inside the HRE. Bohemia was accepted as it joined the HRE already as kingdom and was accepted as such. The Bohemian king was nevertheless not equal to the German king. But, like any other elector, the Bohemian king could (and indeed did) become German king (although Eike von Repgow denies that in his Sachsenspiegel at first, later it was accepted). Because of that several princes still became kings, but only of territories outside of the Reich. The Saxon dukes became kings of Poland, Hannover kings of England and the Hohenzollern of Brandenburg kings of Prussia.
After 1806 several German princes became kings (Bavaria, Saxony and Württemberg) and kept their titles until 1918.
So in HRE the German king/ Roman Emperor was the head of state, with sometimes more sometimes less power. However he had still own realms as his base of power.

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Adler17 made some good points, and I hope to contribute...

The definitions of an empire vary. I disagree with the notion that Plotinus mentions (you have to have an emperor to be considered an empire)--historians often refer to the Athenian Empire during the years leading up to the Peloponnesian War, for example, and Athens was a democracy. Although Pericles was the head general (I'm forgetting my Greek at the moment) for 15 elected terms, he was by no means an emperor.

It seems as if we agree that you can have an empire by virtue of being an emperor or by administering a vast territory that is not of your native people. America is a fairly large territory, but most living there are American citizens or immigrants. I wouldn't call the United States itself an empire. Now, if you consider their military deployments in how many countries across the globe, and the occupation of Iraq and Afghanistan (in general, activity outside the borders of the native country)...that's imperial activity right there.
 
His tenure as commander of the Atlantic Wall defenses was rather brief, but his basic scheme to repel the Allied attack was somewhat flawed.

In the west, Rommel proposed having the armoured divisions closer to the beaches. which makes more sense than Rundstedt's plan of having them deep inland, giving them further to travel and avoid the allied air forces. The only way to defeat the landings were to deal with them on the beaches.
 
I don't get why napoleon is often praised as being one of the greatest generals in history. Sure he is one of the best known, but he was no strategic or tatical genius, he simply had control of a French army larger than any of their adversary had seen. At its peek pre-revolutionary days, France had an army of slightly over 100,000, revolutionary France was able to raise an Army of over 800,000 through nationalistic fervor and conscript.
 
I don't get why napoleon is often praised as being one of the greatest generals in history. Sure he is one of the best known, but he was no strategic or tatical genius, he simply had control of a French army larger than any of their adversary had seen. At its peek pre-revolutionary days, France had an army of slightly over 100,000, revolutionary France was able to raise an Army of over 800,000 through nationalistic fervor and conscript.

Napoleon was outnumbered at Austerlitz, Waterloo, Marengo, and The Pyramids, sometimes three to one. Napoleon was a strategic genius, have you ever studied any of his battles play-by-play?
 
I don't get why napoleon is often praised as being one of the greatest generals in history. Sure he is one of the best known, but he was no strategic or tatical genius, he simply had control of a French army larger than any of their adversary had seen. At its peek pre-revolutionary days, France had an army of slightly over 100,000, revolutionary France was able to raise an Army of over 800,000 through nationalistic fervor and conscript.

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Rommel lost because of Hitler, napoleon lost at waterloo because his other general could not stop the Prussians. i dont know much about hannible except he had to go africa after he was in italy.

but i think rommel was the best out of the three, in ww1 he capured 150 Italian officers, 9,000 men and 81 pieces of artillery with only 200 men.
 
napoleon lost at waterloo because his other general could not stop the Prussians.

Actually, I thought Napoleon screwed himself because he had a chance to call up the Guard and instead let that chance pass him by thus letting victory slip through his hands.
 
It seems to me they all brought an end to their empire. Rommel couldn't go another 100 miles. he should of settled in for a siege. Napolean couldn't get any damn winter Jackets. And confession I don't no much about hannible but i no they lost.

Rommel: He managed to push the Allies all the way back to Egypt despite the fact he was outnumbered and short of supplies.

Napolean: Won many great battles, also had logistical problems when he invaded Russia (Egypt too, he had the ability to supply them, but his fleet was sunk off the coast by the Brits iirc).

Hannibal: Amazing tactical victories, also had logistical problems. He was in Italy for many years, won victories when greatly outnumbered. Yet he couldn't get the needed reinforcements to besiege Rome. Several generals tried to reinforce him, but their armies were annihilated. He had to leave Italy to defend his homeland.

Their are considered great for their tactical and leadership prowess. Had these generals had the necessary men and supplies, their enemies wouldn't have stood a chance, and the world would be very different today.

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Though there were great generals that defeated them also, but if all things were equal between these generals, and the generals that beat them...all I can say is that it would've been one helluva fight.
 
Actually, I thought Napoleon screwed himself because he had a chance to call up the Guard and instead let that chance pass him by thus letting victory slip through his hands.

There were many other things, too. The first thing that comes to mind is that Wellington used his fighting squares against him. When a man is only beaten by the tactics he created, you know he is truly great.
 
Napolean has grown to self-confident at the end. The defeat at Waterloo was his own fault, he made mistakes from the beginnen of the battle. He had never done this before. Somehow he acted like a bloody beginner at Waterloo. But in all other battles he was a genius!

Hannibal was great too. The only reason for him to withdraw was that the politican at home didn't give him support!
 
Napolean has grown to self-confident at the end. The defeat at Waterloo was his own fault, he made mistakes from the beginnen of the battle. He had never done this before. Somehow he acted like a bloody beginner at Waterloo. But in all other battles he was a genius!
And what, or rather who, was missing at Waterloo, hm, hm?

Why, Berthier of course!:goodjob:

I.e. the otherwise ever-present not very presumtuous staffer who understood not only precisely what Napoleon had in mind and meant by his not always crystal clear instructions, but was then capable of breaking it down into a logical sequence of orders to be dispatched to those commanders who needed them.

At Waterloo Napoleon had Soult do the job, and while a talented soldier, he didn't do Berthier's job nearly as well.

It was never just Napoleon. At his peak he had assembled a great team as well.:)
 
Hannibal was great tactician, but Scipios counter-tactics againist him in Carthage was great as well. He found all mistakes made before, learnt Hannibals tactics and won.
 
True, but almost all those elephants had died by the time Hannibal fought anyone, and they'd certainly all been lost after the early stages of the campaign. Hannibal won his battles because of his amazing tactical abilities, not because he had elephants.
 
Well, it was Numidian Cavalry ftw as well. Scipio defeated Hannibal when the former had that.
 
Here's my take:

I'm glad you're mentioning Scipio. Hannibal lost, not because he wasn't one of the great captains of all time, he was, but because he was faced by another of the great captains of all time.

Napoleon had a huge number of faults and made massive mistakes, but not being one of the great captains of all time wasn't one of them. Napoleon lost in the end, not because he wasn't a great captain, he most definately was, but because he couldn't seperate being general from being emperor. The fact that he had another of the great captains of all time, the duke of Wellington, facing him, didn't help him any either. Anybody claiming in any way that Napoleon wasn't one of the great captains...words fail me.

Rommel after africa I know less about. Von Mannstein is generally considered the greatest of the german generals of WWII. But nobody kicks major British ass all over the length of africa with a shoestring army defeating general after general unless they're pretty good at what they do. The force that doomed Rommel in africa was supply. No captain, no matter how great, could have overcome the german hurdles there. Rommel came close, though, and for that amazing feat alone is deservedly held in hight regard.
 
but i think rommel was the best out of the three, in ww1 he capured 150 Italian officers, 9,000 men and 81 pieces of artillery with only 200 men.

That says more about the Italians then it does about Rommel.

Uhhhhh...Italian troops were under Rommel's command in North Africa. He didn't capture his own troops. The Axis was Germany, Italy & Japan.:lol:

But nobody kicks major British ass all over the length of africa with a shoestring army defeating general after general unless they're pretty good at what they do. The force that doomed Rommel in africa was supply. No captain, no matter how great, could have overcome the german hurdles there. Rommel came close, though, and for that amazing feat alone is deservedly held in hight regard.

I totally agree. The British held Gibraltar, Malta & Egypt & so were able to squeeze off Rommel's supply line. When the Afrika Korps surrendered, it had hundreds of thousands of troops. They just couldn't fight without food, fuel, equipment, replacements, etc. Rommel's accomplishments in North Africa were impressive.
 
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