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Why choose order?

Discussion in 'Civ5 - General Discussions' started by Magma_Dragoon, Sep 2, 2013.

  1. Dentalfury

    Dentalfury Warlord

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    I agree that the Level 3 Tenets are a bit lack luster compared to Freedom/Democracy and are meh compared to earlier tenets (which makes no sense). The free courthouse sounds nice although I've never used it because I just puppet everything I conquer and only want direct control of my 5 to 10 city core empire. And the tourism boost is situational at best. In my current game everyone chose Order for their Ideology after I did with 1 exception, and consequently Spain was carved up faster than nice Rib Eye by no less than 5 civs at once.
     
  2. Singulare

    Singulare Chieftain

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    I just entered industrial age the only way I could be winning right now is domination. And I'm far enough ahead for that type of win not to be appealing.

    Iron Curtain: Free Courthouse when capturing a City. - because its not appealing this tenet is useless to me.
    Dictatorship of the Proletariat: +34% Tourism to Civilizations with less Happiness. - I'm backward in tourism. I can catch up but its simply not that kind of a game so I'm probably not gonna go with that tenat as well.
    Spaceflight Pioneers: May finish Spaceship Parts with Great Engineers. +10 Science in Capital. - and there is this one it would be good for science victory but the sad truth is that I'll be able at best to produce 1 or 2 GE to that point in the game and because of the tech lead I'll have by then this is useless to me.

    So currently I'm sitting in a game where the level 3 tenets are useless for me. This is why I'd prefer there to be at least one generally strong tenant on level 3. Just for those games where you cant make good use of the current ones.
     
  3. Karmah

    Karmah Emperor Supporter

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    Spaceflight pioneers is indeed the weak point of Order ...but the first two tiers are just soooo goood.
     
  4. Seabastian Civ

    Seabastian Civ King

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    I played an Emperor space race game where I saved six engineers up for this policy. Every time I researched a new space part, BAM, built it in one turn with an Engineer. And then waited 20 turns until I researched the next part.

    I agree it is weak, even when you're planning for it. Unless you're in a life-or-death struggle for survival and cannot sacrifice any unit production to create space parts, it doesn't shave much time off of a space victory.
     
  5. 0R4NG3

    0R4NG3 Prince

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    I like Order, and pick it in 80% of my games, only exception is when I go for domination. (Emperor difficulty).
    Main reasons: happiness and tourism boosts, as well as the discount for buying buildings (oh and the factory science boost). I think it's the most diverse ideology.
     
  6. tedoll78

    tedoll78 aka 'HylianTom' :)

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    One big bonus to picking Freedom? It's usually an easy way to anger AI civs, haha..

    But upon review, Order's got some really nice policies. This thread is prompting me to reconsider.. Hmm..
     
  7. Pythakoreas

    Pythakoreas Chef Tain

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    How does Party Leadership +1 per city work?
     
  8. katfish

    katfish Warlord

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    On king and emperor its easy to get GL(even without it still ok) Hanging Gardens and Oracle(especially easy, i don't know what ai thinking - its the best wonder for like 3 eras) by the time i get Uni i probably already planted one scientist, then with uni i rush to others. I dont think Order and its 25% got anything on cap full of specialists from guilds with New Deal Secularism and Civil Society.
     
  9. Strategist83

    Strategist83 King

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    Well.
     
  10. FrostK

    FrostK Prince

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    Space part for engineer should be used for last part. It will save 3-4 turns.
     
  11. Pythakoreas

    Pythakoreas Chef Tain

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    I mean if you have 10 cities it gives +10 of everything in your cities I guess?
     
  12. KrikkitTwo

    KrikkitTwo Immortal

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    Not quite
    Each city has its individual base output of food, production, gold, science, and culture increased by 1

    Those are base values, so it would be increased by % bonuses from railroads, sistine chapel, Temple of Artemis, universities, etc.
     

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