Why do some people still support bush.

[Ziggy Stardust]

John Doe from next door has less events where he has to speak in public. The ability to speak in public does not make one smart, the inability does not make one stupid.

After all is said and done, he was still smart enough to become the president of the US. Which is an achievement not many of us can top.

 

[TheVictor]

He spoke in public so many times by now that that shouldn't affect his (in)ability to be articulate anymore. And that has to do with intelligence.

A nice read :

http://www.slate.com/id/2100064

 

[bathsheba666]

After all is said and done, he was still smart enough to become the president of the US. Which is an achievement not many of us can top.

The counter argument is, if someone as dumb as Bush can become President, exactly how much of an achievement is that anyway.

Nice link in the last post.

 

[malclave]

BUT are you saying he's smart? It's funny you say that I am uninformed when I say Bush is dumb.

Okay, for comparison's sake, can you post your grades for your Bachelor's and Master's degrees from Ivy League universities?

 

[JollyRoger]

Okay, for comparison's sake, can you post your grades for your Bachelor's and Master's degrees from Ivy League universities?

I can post my Ivy-league level entrance exam scores for undergrad and law school and my paycheck stubs from working my way through non-Ivy League schools. Bush was born on 3rd base and thinks he hit a triple. He got into Harvard and Yale based on who his father and grandfather were and received plent of "gentleman's C's" while there.

 

[TheVictor]

Okay, for comparison's sake, can you post your grades for your Bachelor's and Master's degrees from Ivy League universities?

Now, you have to make up your mind, either you say I am uninformed or you go the "you don't have an Ivy-league degree, so you have no right to critize someone who has" - line.

As for Bush's Ivy-League career, just read what JollyRoger posted. As for the uninformed, read the link I posted.

Who still feels like arguing about an undisputable fact, here you go :

http://irregulartimes.com/stupid2.html

at the bottom of the site is a challenge for all bushdefenders...

 

[malclave]

received plent of "gentleman's C's" while there.

Proof that he did not earn his grades, please.

Of course, I'm not sure why I'm even entertaining the possibility that someone who cannot even spell "plenty" has any credibility whatsoever in criticizing another person's intellect.

Now, you have to make up your mind, either you say I am uninformed or you go the "you don't have an Ivy-league degree, so you have no right to critize someone who has" - line.

Actually, my argument is that his academic career suggests that he is not "stupid". If you didn't attend Ivy-league schools, I'll take into consideration the quality of the schools where you DID receive your degrees.

Who still feels like arguing about an undisputable fact, here you go :

http://irregulartimes.com/stupid2.html

at the bottom of the site is a challenge for all bushdefenders...

"Indisputable?" It's a partisan hit site. I went to the link, and quickly decided that it has no more credibility than Rush Limbaugh. If you have a link to a site that can be trusted to affer a fair analysis, I'd like to look at it.

 

[Sidhe]

I think he confused backing him because he's the President, and being loyal to him because he's the President. It's just like how everyone got all worked up when Chavez did his little "Satan" and "I have no qualms with the American people" stunt. He may be a bad president, but he's OUR bad president!

I'm not saying that he (or anybody) should be followed unconditionally, but he IS the leader of our country, and deserves a certain amount of respect as our leader and Commander-in-Chief.

I agree, I just hope people can discriminate a bit and don't become blind followers, that's not what democracy is about, hold up his flaws, hold up his merits, but don't excuse his flaws and uphold his merits without recourse to reason.

I've heard the "he's our boss now we need to get behind him" argument, and to some extent I agree, but when he makes mistakes, your first thought should not be to defend but to analyse critically, as far as I can tell Cheezy you do do this, but some seem incapable of finding fault or feel the need to always defend regardless of the actions and even sometimes the conflict with their beliefs about what makes a free country, there's always an excuse, this I find somewhat illogical, but hey it's their choice.

 

[Stolen Rutters]

We don't have enough gold in Fort Knox to back every dollar's "value," we haven't since the 1800s. That, my friend, is why we have the idea of inflation. The more money we print, the same amount of gold is still being used to back it, so each dollar is worth less. Inversely, less money means more gold to back each dollar, and the dollar becomes mroe valuable. There was a time, way back when, when you could exchange your paper money for it's value in gold or silver, via the US government.

NO NO no!!!

Our currency was taken off of any standard, gold, silver or otherwise back in 1974. The US currency is backed by the faith and credit of the US Treasury, kind of like your credit score. They call it a fiat currency.

Inflation has nothing directly to do with the rarity or abundance of gold. It's a completely different phenomenon. It's much more indirect. It was admittedly influenced by the supply of whatever standard that was used to back the currency in the past, but that is not the way it works now.
Here's a wiki for basic info http://www.wikinfo.org/wiki.php?title=United_States_dollar

Oh, sorry off topic.

Why do some people still support Bush? He's our President, for good or bad. He's a Republican, and if you are Republican, you want to stay in power. Stay on his good side and you will be rewarded. Philosophically, he is not too far from what many people believe.

Looks like the results of the election are in, though. Not very many are happy with him it seems.

 

[TheVictor]

Of course, I'm not sure why I'm even entertaining the possibility that someone who cannot even spell "plenty" has any credibility whatsoever in criticizing another person's intellect.

Are you serious?!?! JollyRoger's keyboard not catching the 'y' is your point? You need to be REALLY careful from now on not to misspell anything for that might be a reason to question your intellect... Oh, how about "is our children learning" then?
( there's more where that came from : http://www.slate.com/id/76886/ many videos, too )

Actually, my argument is that his academic career suggests that he is not "stupid". If you didn't attend Ivy-league schools, I'll take into consideration the quality of the schools where you DID receive your degrees.

Nice try, you posted :

Okay, for comparison's sake, can you post your grades for your Bachelor's and Master's degrees from Ivy League universities?.

So you referred to MY degrees from Ivy League universities but JUST meant to say that Bush's academic career suggests he's not stupid??? Try again.
In any case, again, read what JollyRoger posted.

"Indisputable?" It's a partisan hit site. I went to the link, and quickly decided that it has no more credibility than Rush Limbaugh. If you have a link to a site that can be trusted to affer a fair analysis, I'd like to look at it.

Try the first link I posted for a fair analysis...
And unlike Rush Limbaugh just saying MJF fakes his symptoms, that site states quotes and recorded occasions to make the point ( aka "facts" ).
However, the point here was that there is an e-mail address at the bottom where you can feel free to argue about "chimpy" with someone who welcomes the challenge. Seriously, I encourage you to.

 

[malclave]

Are you serious?!?! JollyRoger's keyboard not catching the 'y' is your point?

Sure, why not? It's just as rational as the "bush iz st00pid" arguments that keep popping up. Why should I be held to a higher standard of evidence?

So you referred to MY degrees from Ivy League universities but JUST meant to say that Bush's academic career suggests he's not stupid???

Not at all. I'm trying to decide what basis you have for comparison.

Try the first link I posted for a fair analysis...

I don't believe that link qualifies as "fair". It appears to me to be just another site dedicated to Bush hatred. Exploring the site only reinforces that interpretation.

 

[BasketCase]

Albert Einstein never graduated.

Intelligence has nothing to do with performance. The clumsiness in Bush's speeches has nothing to do with his brain power. Just because the magician appears to have just sawed his lovely big-breasted stage assistant in half, doesn't mean he actually did.

The actual criteron most people seem to use on others politics-wise is this: "does that other person have the same views I do? If he does, he's smart. If not, he's stupid."

All over the world are lots and lots of intelligent people who view the world differently. Could everybody try to please keep that in mind???

 

[Spartan117]

Albert Einstein never graduated.

Intelligence has nothing to do with performance. The clumsiness in Bush's speeches has nothing to do with his brain power. Just because the magician appears to have just sawed his lovely big-breasted stage assistant in half, doesn't mean he actually did.

The actual criteron most people seem to use on others politics-wise is this: "does that other person have the same views I do? If he does, he's smart. If not, he's stupid."

All over the world are lots and lots of intelligent people who view the world differently. Could everybody try to please keep that in mind???

I completely agree.

 

[Cheezy the Wiz]

NO NO no!!!

Our currency was taken off of any standard, gold, silver or otherwise back in 1974. The US currency is backed by the faith and credit of the US Treasury, kind of like your credit score. They call it a fiat currency.

Inflation has nothing directly to do with the rarity or abundance of gold. It's a completely different phenomenon. It's much more indirect. It was admittedly influenced by the supply of whatever standard that was used to back the currency in the past, but that is not the way it works now.
Here's a wiki for basic info http://www.wikinfo.org/wiki.php?title=United_States_dollar

Okay, so I would have been right if this was 1973, then?

 

[FriendlyFire]

Albert Einstein never graduated.

Intelligence has nothing to do with performance. The clumsiness in Bush's speeches has nothing to do with his brain power. Just because the magician appears to have just sawed his lovely big-breasted stage assistant in half, doesn't mean he actually did.

The actual criteron most people seem to use on others politics-wise is this: "does that other person have the same views I do? If he does, he's smart. If not, he's stupid."

All over the world are lots and lots of intelligent people who view the world differently. Could everybody try to please keep that in mind???

True but one has to draw the line somewhere uh ??? Terry Shavio anyone ?

 

[Phlegmak]

Albert Einstein never graduated.

Intelligence has nothing to do with performance. The clumsiness in Bush's speeches has nothing to do with his brain power. Just because the magician appears to have just sawed his lovely big-breasted stage assistant in half, doesn't mean he actually did.

The actual criteron most people seem to use on others politics-wise is this: "does that other person have the same views I do? If he does, he's smart. If not, he's stupid."

All over the world are lots and lots of intelligent people who view the world differently. Could everybody try to please keep that in mind???

Oh, I keep that in mind. Bush remains an idiot.

 

[El_Machinae]

Bush[El'M:]Person X [/]was born on 3rd base and thinks he hit a triple.

I think this is a good metaphor. I think I will use it.