Why does Communism keep failing?

[Fox Mccloud]

Commies, please explaine. The Soviet Union and Eastern Europe things went out good for a while, but the living standards were poor, and people ultimately destroyed it. North Korea, and Cuba are dirt poor, and on the brink of collapse. Commie leaders often turn out to kill millions of people, and Stalin killed about 35 million, without very much reason. Famines have been rampant in China, USSR, North Korea, and none of the capitalist nations ever faced a famin in the 20th century. Over 100,000,000 people died in communist countries between 1918~1991, yet North Korea was the only communist country ever to be invaded by a free country. That's alot of people to die, and not much progress was ever made. Communism has split Germany, Vietnam, Korea, all of Europe, and China into two. China's the only Communist success story, but they might end up falling like the Soviet Union did. Countries across the world are still dealing with the legacy of Communism. So, commies, I ask you, What did Communism do right? What good did it accomplish? Why does it keep failing?

 

[North King]

*sigh*

Because Communism was never tried.

Communism does *not* mean rounding people up and forcing them to work for the "Greater Good", it simply means sharing the products of society equally. That's never happened, in case you never noticed, all the nations that ever even claimed to be Communist are brutal dictatorships. This is not communism, in communism it is a government of the people. Ownership of the government by the workers.

All these so called "Communist" nations are no better than monarchies, and are a disgrace to the name of Communism.

Don't even dare to call these places Communist.

Calling North Korea Communist is roughly equivalent to pointing to Columbia as the ideal Capitalist nation.

 

[blackheart]

Human greed.

 

[Perfection]

Because it by its very nature supresses people. Communist societies destroy freedom as it's neccesary to fit a state planned life.

 

[Fox Mccloud]

*sigh*

Because Communism was never tried.

Communism does *not* mean rounding people up and forcing them to work for the "Greater Good", it simply means sharing the products of society equally. That's never happened, in case you never noticed, all the nations that ever even claimed to be Communist are brutal dictatorships. This is not communism, in communism it is a government of the people. Ownership of the government by the workers.

All these so called "Communist" nations are no better than monarchies, and are a disgrace to the name of Communism.

Don't even dare to call these places Communist.

Calling North Korea Communist is roughly equivalent to pointing to Columbia as the ideal Capitalist nation.

Don't give me that b/s! Communism has been tried, AND IT FAILED! Are you telling me that Communism isn't about % the West or die, Be Atheist, or die, give up your rights, or die"? That's basically what it does. Soviet Union was Communist, It failed! You can't give your leaders absolute power like Communism does, because they start killig their people!

Because it by its very nature supresses people. Communist societies destroy freedom as it's neccesary to fit a state planned life.

This is what I always thought it was

 

[Double Barrel]

According to communists, there has never been a "communist country".

Therefore, by this logic, communism has never been implemented.

However, the flaw in the basic premise of communism, as far as I'm concerned, is that it requires a heavy handed government to enforce it. This heavy hand is not one that could ever be delicate. Hence, the reason why "communist" countries have always been dictatorships.

Humans are not mindless ants living on a colony. Some of us work harder than others, and some of us are very lazy. The philosophy of Marx (who communists will tell you is not "real" communism, even though he wrote the Communist Manifesto) does not take into account human nature or the natural elements of spirited competition among humans.

I could go on and on about the inability of communism's high ideals and it's inherent inability to rectify itself with reality, but I have neither the desire nor the time to argue with those folks that are blinded by their own intellect.

It is one of those philosophies that sounds good on paper, but is nearly impossible to actually implement.

 

[North King]

Don't give me that b/s! Communism has been tried, AND IT FAILED! Are you telling me that Communism isn't about % the West or die, Be Atheist, or die, give up your rights, or die"? That's basically what it does. Soviet Union was Communist, It failed! You can't give your leaders absolute power like Communism does, because they start killig their people!

Don't even start me on this. THAT IS NOT AT ALL WHAT COMMUNISM IS! THAT'S THE FRIGGEN EQUIVALENT OF SAYING CAPITALISM IS ALL ABOUT PUTTING PEOPLE TO DEATH THROUGH STARVATION!

Read a little and actually figure out what the heck you are talking about before you start saying anything like the above!

 

[Perfection]

North King, please do tell exactly how to implement a "real" communist society.

 

[Yom]

Human greed.

Seconded. Communism attempts to change the basic nature of man. Something that cannot be changed without thousands of years of indoctrination.

 

[Gainy]

Communism does not reward those who work hard. You could pick your nose all your life and still get the same rewards* as someone who works a 70 hour week. No incentive.

*Same, but for the fact the person who picks their nose might gain a few new 'friends'!

 

[Vladyc]

The only way I see a "real" communist society happening is through a natural evolution of the economy, the way Marx predicted (not that I actually think this will happen.) I believe one of his ideas was that advanced capitalism would turn into socialism, which would eventually become communism. In order for this to happen, the entire world would have to take part in this transition. From what I have heard from some communists, this is a reason all the communist revolutions have failed. None have come from an advanced capitalist society, and obviously there has yet to be a worldwide revolution.

 

[FriendlyFire]

Power corrupts

 

[North King]

North King, please do tell exactly how to implement a "real" communist society.

How would you epect? Human nature turns against it, but it could be done. But if you really wanted to know how it would be set up, consult Marx.

 

[blackheart]

It is because the communism that is so often referred to is referred by people who live in a capitalistic society. Communism could work, but we would need an entire generation to be grown and fed with it and that are untainted by capitalistic tendencies (greed). I don't see this happening anytime soon, so communism will not work.

 

[Perfection]

How would you epect? Human nature turns against it, but it could be done. But if you really wanted to know how it would be set up, consult Marx.

Sorry, no time to consult Marx. Anyways, the last few folks who have consulted Marx seem to have majorly screwed things up...

Here's another question since you decided not to answer the first, how are jobs distributed in a "real" comminist society.

 

[North King]

Sorry, no time to consult Marx. Anyways, the last few folks who have consulted Marx seem to have majorly screwed things up...

Here's another question since you decided not to answer the first, how are jobs distributed in a "real" comminist society.

Wherever they are needed in relation to people's talents seems to work well for capitalism.

 

[Babbler]

Humans are not mindless ants living on a colony.

Karl Marx was right, it is just that he had the wrong species

100% right.

 

[Perfection]

Wherever they are needed in relation to people's talents seems to work well for capitalism.

And who makes the decision to the value of a person's talents? What about personal choice?

 

[North King]

And who makes the decision to the value of a person's talents? What about personal choice?

In my ideal society that factors in, yes.

 

[Vladyc]

And who makes the decision to the value of a person's talents? What about personal choice?

Why shouldn't there be personal choice in jobs? It seems to balance out well in a capitalist society. There is no reason why the government needs to control this for communism.