Why ever pick Ancestral Hall over Warlord's Throne

[GKShaman]

I forget if this is true - Liberating a City State from an emergency or another civ is worth the 20% bonus from Warlords Throne?

I just feel that bonus is relevant all game whereas the free worker is nice but most of the time will be a 3 charge worker. The overall hammers you gain from warlords is better than those from ancestral right?

 

[leandrombraz]

Depend on how much cities you're planning to settle and how many you're planning to conquer/liberate. I settle a lot, so it's pretty valuable, mostly if I build the Pyramids or unlock Serfdom before I'm done with settling cities.

 

[Isengardtom]

“Always” is definitely not the right wording in my case but I most often take the “third one” : Audience chamber.

I find the additional housing strong and I tend to go fairly wide on governor selection anyway + it remains more relevant throughout the game
Also I tend not to play domination games because I don’t enjoy them so warlord’s throne is something I almost never pick

 

[Archon_Wing]

It's more that Warlord's Throne is OP since even with partial use, it is a big bonus and only gets bigger the more cities you have. Ancestral Hall has a very awkward timing and it'd be nice if the settler bonus applied to all cities but it doesn't. In cramped spaces or maps with lots of islands, I actually think Meme Chamber is better.

 

[Lily_Lancer]

I feel these two are both good enough. Depends on which happens more in your early game, taking cities or building cities yourself. On standard speed I usually choose the Throne but on Online speed I sometimes choose the Hall.

After all, don't build the third one. It seems that this does not really have any use, but a severe malus.

PS Liberation does not count for throne. You have to capture it and hold it yourself.

 

[UWHabs]

Generally for me:
-If I'm playing where I expect to be a warmonger, I take Warlord
-If I still have a ton of land to settle, I take Ancestral Hall (if you can time them so they're +5 builders, that goes a long way to getting new cities set up right away and getting resources online without worrying about having the cash for a builder)
-99% of the time I've explored enough and decided by that point. If not, then I basically just choose one of the two semi-randomly and don't worry about it.

 

[Icicle]

Yup the Ancestral Hall is very good for settling and honestly I seem to spend early game focused more on that so it's usually what I go for. Even with some warmongering I think it's worth it, the Throne is only the obvious choice to me if I plan on non-stop aggression.

 

[KayAU]

I'm not much of a warmonger, and so pretty much always choose Ancestral Hall. Now that I think of it, I might actually want to try a somewhat tall game with Audience Chamber instead. I wonder which civ I should go for? Korea, Scotland, Inca or maybe Kongo?

 

[Noble Zarkon]

Don't think I've ever picked Warlord's Throne, seems very weak in most scenarios.

 

[ezzlar]

When I get the chance to construct one of the buildings the whole map is usually settled (duel maps/3-5 AI/emp imm). That makes the third one a good alternative for my play style.

 

[Victoria]

I chose the third one purely because I do not always chose 1 over the other like the question states. Often it is a case of war or peace because warlords is useless for peace but really it comes down to when I can get ancestral based on current situation and how many settlers will I now be creating.
Warlords throne is anything but weak if you are rolling civs on a steady basis.
Because I like to try everything I have played Audience chamber and it is OK, the loyalty is not normally an issue and if it is, move a governor there, issue solved. However when combined with the classical republic legacy it really does make a difference for chasing those 10 pop cities and so I in fact do chose this when peaceful and have stopped making settlers and want some fat cities.

 

[Lily_Lancer]

I chose the third one purely because I do not always chose 1 over the other like the question states. Often it is a case of war or peace because warlords is useless for peace but really it comes down to when I can get ancestral based on current situation and how many settlers will I now be creating.
Warlords throne is anything but weak if you are rolling civs on a steady basis.
Because I like to try everything I have played Audience chamber and it is OK, the loyalty is not normally an issue and if it is, move a governor there, issue solved. However when combined with the classical republic legacy it really does make a difference for chasing those 10 pop cities and so I in fact do chose this when peaceful and have stopped making settlers and want some fat cities.

For me, loyalty is a problem. You know, if you get -8 or more(that's not very rare) things cannot be solved by a simple governor. And Audience Chamber shift the threshold to a more strict -6.
However Audience Chamber is somehow useful if you're playing the "flip, pillage, capture and fix" strategy. Let cities flip more quickly means you can pillage more often and gain those large number of gold and faith, especially for Norway.

 

[blackcatatonic]

I'm a peaceful player who likes going super wide, so it's never really occurred to me not to take Ancestral Hall. The timing is a little annoying but I still manage to get good use out of it. The free builder is just so nice.

 

[Victoria]

things cannot be solved by a simple governor.

What I am saying is Audience chamber gives -2 loyalty to cities without a governor. If you move a governor there then the audience chanber negative no longer counts. But yes warmongering and not using governors to help the extra -2 can be an issue. This is one reason why i do not rush wars, I win without being fastest but I get pleasure in controlling loyalty a bit.
Audience chamber + classic republic legacy is +4 housing +2 Amenities. Not exactly useless as that will push most cities to 10, saves on farm triangles. I got +260 science by T100 the other day with this and some lucky CS's. This was by rushing wars but taking bigger cities before smaller where I can or just taking them fast like you do.

 

[Lily_Lancer]

What I am saying is Audience chamber gives -2 loyalty to cities without a governor. If you move a governor there then the audience chanber negative no longer counts. But yes warmongering and not using governors to help the extra -2 can be an issue. This is one reason why i do not rush wars, I win without being fastest but I get pleasure in controlling loyalty a bit.
Audience chamber + classic republic legacy is +4 housing +2 Amenities. Not exactly useless as that will push most cities to 10, saves on farm triangles. I got +260 science by T100 the other day with this and some lucky CS's. This was by rushing wars but taking bigger cities before smaller where I can or just taking them fast like you do.

Oh, I just noticed that the -2 loyalty only applies to cities without governor, so no real disadvantages. Thanks.

What do you mean by "push most cities to 10", doesn't it only applies to one city?

 

[AmazonQueen]

I'm not much of a warmonger so I usually go Ancestral Hall.
Ocasionally I will go Audience Chamber.

 

[Victoria]

What do you mean by "push most cities to 10", doesn't it only applies to one city?

It applies to cities with Governors. Wierdly you can time it with Magnus Surplus logistics and chopping in food/jungle. The thing is I struggle to get cities to 10 in time quite often and this and classic republic legacy help a lot, but it is a wildcard slot.It can be a question of what governors you have and what you are using them for. Moving Reyna around if you are not pushing harbours is one example.

 

[Lily_Lancer]

It applies to cities with Governors. Wierdly you can time it with Magnus Surplus logistics and chopping in food/jungle. The thing is I struggle to get cities to 10 in time quite often and this and classic republic legacy help a lot, but it is a wildcard slot.It can be a question of what governors you have and what you are using them for. Moving Reyna around if you are not pushing harbours is one example.

This seems not that bad. One more question I wish to confirm is that does the bonus/malus apply to cities with/without established governor, or cities with governor establishing power are also bonused instead of malused?

 

[Victoria]

established governor, or cities with governor establishing

i believe it is both.
the housing/Amenity is after 5 or 3 turns while the loyalty is immediate. I will double check when I can

 

[WillowBrook]

I don't always pick anything, so no vote from me. But I usually pick the free builder since in most games I settle many more cities than I conquer.