Why is there no UHT milk in the US?

[Masquerouge]

Hey wait, what about Parmalat? Isnt that the same thing? I think my mother used to buy that.

Might be. Parmalat is the name of an Italian dairy company involved in one of the biggest financial scandal there (and that's saying a lot )

 

[Bozo Erectus]

Might be. Parmalat is the name of an Italian dairy company involved in one of the biggest financial scandal there (and that's saying a lot )

Yeah Ive heard of that, its like the Italian Enron or something. If I recall correctly, I wasnt crazy about the taste in coffee.

 

[Masquerouge]

Yeah Ive heard of that, its like the Italian Enron or something. If I recall correctly, I wasnt crazy about the taste in coffee.

Don't get me started about US coffee

 

[Bozo Erectus]

Got sumptin against napalm, amigo?

 

[Padma]

I buy UHT milk all the time for when I go camping.

 

[Narz]

The only dairy I ever buy is raw goat's cheese (yeah, I'm not techincally vegan any more).

I am against pasteurization of all kinds.

At this time raw dairy is only available in United States supermarkets in Conneticut and California (although you can buy it on the internet).

Check this out

The Pottenger cats study lasted for ten years, with three generations of cats being studied. Approximately 900 cats were involved. This study was specifically designed to show the difference between eating raw foods versus cooked and processed foods over a long period of time. The experiment in which one group of cats received only raw milk and raw meat, while other groups received part of the diet as pasteurized milk or cooked meat, can be summarized as follows:

• Adequate Diet A: 1/3 raw milk, cod liver oil and 2/3 raw meat.
• Defficient Diet B: 1/3 raw meat, cod liver oil and 2/3 pasteurized milk.
• Defficient Diet C: 1/3 raw meat, cod liver oil and 2/3 evaporated milk.
• Defficient Diet D: 1/3 raw meat, cod liver oil and 2/3 sweetened condensed milk.
• Defficient Diet E: raw metabolized vitamin D milk only.

Effects on cats

• The cats eating only raw food were disease free and healthy, generation after generation after generation.
• The cats eating the cooked and processed foods had all kinds of problems.
  By the end of the first generation the cats started to develop degenerative diseases and became quite lazy.
• By the end of the second generation the cats had developed degenerative diseases by mid-life and started losing their coordination.
• By the end of the third generation the cats had developed degenerative diseases very early in life and some were born blind and weak and had a much shorter life span. Many of the third generation cats couldn't even produce offspring. There was an abundance of parasites and vermin while skin diseases and allergies increased from an incidence of five percent in normal cats to over 90 percent in the third generation of deficient cats.
• Kittens of the third generation did not survive six months. Bones became soft and pliable and the cats suffered from adverse personality changes.
• Males became docile while females became more aggressive.
• The cats suffered from most of the degenerative diseases encountered in human medicine and died out totally by the fourth generation.

His conclusions:

• A diet consisting exclusively of raw milk and raw meat was the only adequate intake which insured the maintenance of optimal health for the cats. Cats on the all-raw diet showed good bone structure with wide palates and plenty of space for the teeth as well as excellent bone density, shiny fur, and lack of parasites and disease. They reproduced with ease and were gentle and easy to handle.
• Cooking the meat, or substituting heat processed milks for raw, resulted in heterogeneous reproduction and physical degeneration that escalated with each successive generation.
• The changes in facial structure and beginning of degenerative diseases that Dr. Pottenger observed in cats on deficient diets mirrored the human degeneration that Dr. Price found in tribes and villages that had abandoned traditional foods.

 

[Urederra]

I buy UHT milk all the time for when I go camping.

Where do you buy it? I cannot find it at Walmart or any other superkmarket.

EDIT: @NARZ... Can cat be affected by Yersinia enterocollitica or other microorganisms transmited by unprocessed milk?

 

[Corlindale]

I've never liked the taste of UHT milk, and I usually avoid drinking milk when travelling in France or other countries that primarily use it. I can use it for cereals without too much trouble, but drinking it is unpleasant.
I think the earlier expiration date and required refridgeration is a small price to pay for milk that actually tastes good. IMO.

 

[ironduck]

I am against pasteurization of all kinds.

Narz, you ought to do yourself and other people you preach to the favour of checking your health advice a little more carefully. Time and again I see you advocating behaviour that is based on a combination of wishful thinking and highly selective picking of dubious sources.

As for this cat experiment you cite, it fits perfectly with the other drivel you have cited before. For crying out loud, everything about the quoted piece directly contradicts the reality of millions upon millions of house cats. Maybe you should read the critical wiki links as well next time you quote from a wiki article? Like this one: http://www.beyondveg.com/tu-j-l/raw-cooked/raw-cooked-1h.shtml

As for UHT vs lower temp pasteurization, I prefer lower temp.. I don't get the people here saying that the taste difference doesn't matter - it sure matters to me! The milk I drink is also organic, and it tastes differently from non-organic milk (which has a slightly metallic aftertaste for some reason).

 

[Padma]

Where do you buy it? I cannot find it at Walmart or any other superkmarket.

Ah, there's the rub. I buy it at the base commissary. We get more "different" foods there.

 

[Urederra]

The milk I drink is also organic, and it tastes differently from non-organic milk (which has a slightly metallic aftertaste for some reason).

Well, I hope the milk I drink comes out of a cow as well. I am not aware of drinking a barium sulphate solution every morning.

 

[ummmm........]

But how hard is it to make friends with someone who has access to the base

@Masquerouge: is your only complaint the more frequent trips to the store? I go to the grocery store almost every day for something or another. I never really considered it a major inconvenience . . .

 

[ironduck]

Well, I hope the milk I drink comes out of a cow as well. I am not aware of drinking a barium sulphate solution every morning.

I have no idea why there is the metallic aftertaste, I doubt it has anything to do with metal. I drank non-organic for years and it was just a nice bonus when I switched. Organic certainly doesn't necessarily equal better quality or taste, but in this case it does for me

 

[Narz]

EDIT: @NARZ... Can cat be affected by Yersinia enterocollitica or other microorganisms transmited by unprocessed milk?

I don't know enough about it to answer that. My cats have never gotten sick from raw meat or cheese. Keep in mind that people and animals can also get sick from cooked meat, supposedly some bacteria can survive temps up to 500 F. I only buy from quality sources and I don't worry.

As for this cat experiment you cite, it fits perfectly with the other drivel you have cited before. For crying out loud, everything about the quoted piece directly contradicts the reality of millions upon millions of house cats.

Millions and millions, eh? Are you saying commercial cat food is healthier than the diet cats evolved on? Get back to me in twenty years, if your cat is still alive and mine isn't I'll stand corrected.

Maybe you should read the critical wiki links as well next time you quote from a wiki article? Like this one: http://www.beyondveg.com/tu-j-l/raw-cooked/raw-cooked-1h.shtml

Already seen it (and other "drivel" from beyondveg) and am not particularly impressed.

As for UHT vs lower temp pasteurization, I prefer lower temp.. I don't get the people here saying that the taste difference doesn't matter - it sure matters to me! The milk I drink is also organic, and it tastes differently from non-organic milk (which has a slightly metallic aftertaste for some reason).

Like your choice of organic over non-organic I choose because of taste, my own research and common sense. If I read and pondered every nit-picking article on the internet (like the one from beyondveg) before making a decision I'd be too confused to even get out of bed in the morning.

When I say I am not in favor of pastuerization that's just my opinion. If other people want to pastuerize their milk, eggs or orange juice that's fine. Just expressing my opinion.

 

[Masquerouge]

@Masquerouge: is your only complaint the more frequent trips to the store? I go to the grocery store almost every day for something or another. I never really considered it a major inconvenience . . .

Well, that, and the fact that too often for our taste, we get spoiled milk.

I've never liked the taste of UHT milk, and I usually avoid drinking milk when travelling in France or other countries that primarily use it. I can use it for cereals without too much trouble, but drinking it is unpleasant.
I think the earlier expiration date and required refridgeration is a small price to pay for milk that actually tastes good. IMO.

It really is a matter of habit. People used to UHT will find the taste of HTST unpleasant.

 

[ummmm........]

I think as you become accustomed to only having access to HTST milk, you'll be able to gauge your use so that it doesn't spoil frequently . . .

 

[Masquerouge]

I think as you become accustomed to only having access to HTST milk, you'll be able to gauge your use so that it doesn't spoil frequently . . .

I'm sure of that. But I think it is also understandable that I
a. regret the time where I did not have to worry about my milk supply, and did not have to carry jugs of milk every couple of days
b. wonder why, in America, the country where convenience is king, the method in favour is the most annoying one

 

[Urederra]

@Masquerouge: is your only complaint the more frequent trips to the store? I go to the grocery store almost every day for something or another. I never really considered it a major inconvenience . . .

he also complained about the milk to go sour.


EDIT: Ops... seems that it took me too much to reply.

 

[CIVPhilzilla]

It's not that big of a burden to buy milk every week. Our family goes through about 2 - 3 gallons a week. We just buy all the milk at the begining of the week with the other groceries.

 

[Tycoon101]

I dont drink milk anyway so this doesnt bother me one bit.

Milk tastes so bad to me that i will vomit if i even smell it.
But i can still eat things that are cooked with dairy products like cookies.

Nearly the same thing with me, but I don't vomit. But I do have a slight lactose-intolerance. But the market keeps running without this new milk, thus we do not need it.