Why is there this strange complaints and negativity?
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m15a
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Which mod?
civvver
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Not a specific mod, I'm saying the game looks like new civ5 mod. It looks incredibly similar, some new systems but overall the same game. Basically they rewrote civics, allowed you to stack units into armies and instead of building improvements with workers and buildings in cities, now you build districts. Did I miss anything? It doesn't excite me or look that different from 5.
5 was drastically different from 4 and you could tell that immediately on seeing the release info. I got very excited to play 5.
5 was drastically different from 4 and you could tell that immediately on seeing the release info. I got very excited to play 5.
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Different spy system, different trader system, support units, different great person system, different city state system and bonuses, different civ bonuses, new wonders and civs and leaders, completely new art, modified and new victory conditions, workers replaced with builders, new unit upgrades, new natural wonders, new luxuries/bonus resources with various tile yields, housing, ammenities,
... I mean: Yes, you did miss some things.
If those changes (in addition to subtle strategic differences which may greatly impact gameplay) don't interest you, that's fine. But regarding whether it looks like a mod... Well, consider that when Civ II was being made there was no clear concept of what a sequel to a strategy video game should be. The Civilization developers basically defined what that is by the differences between the first two games. And Civ VI is following that definition of what a new game in the Civ series is.
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I'm just saying you wanted an answer, I gave mine. For drive by youtubers that's the impression.
The internet hadn't hit full force like today when 4 was released or yes they probably would've say this. Youtube had been around like 6 months when civ4 came out. You weren't getting any let's plays of civ4.
The internet hadn't hit full force like today when 4 was released or yes they probably would've say this. Youtube had been around like 6 months when civ4 came out. You weren't getting any let's plays of civ4.
Aristos
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I could make a much longer list for Vox Populi, and yes, it is a mod (THE mod) for civ 5. Plus, the key ingredient: a MUCH better AI, that I am 100% sure will not be rendered obsolete by Civ6's AI.
Healz
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Actually I would have said the demo of Civ V felt more like Age Of Empires. If I wanted Age Of Empires I would have got Age Of Empires or Empire Earth so I have stuck with Civ IV. This is the one that is the litmus test of how many they lost over Civ V. A lot of those on the web were expecting a different sort of game to what finally went out the door... When series start losing sight of their core difference the series dies ie. Emperor: Battle For Dune, Command And Conquer 4.
You realize it was the top selling Civ of all time?
They lost a minor subgroup with 5. If it loses more it has nothing to do with Civ 5 but because it sucks in its own right.
This is a great example of no-win criticism.
Civ 6 changed too little, so it's basically a civ 5 mod. Civ 5 added 1 UPT and removed city maintenance from civ 4, and so the developers are basically throwing away everything that made a Civ game.
There's no middle ground that will cut off all the complaints. The same game is going to get complaints that it's too similar to what came before AND that it's too different.
For what it's worth, the developers view of how much should change between sequels is that roughly one-third of the game should be completely the same, about one-third should be tweaked, one-third should be different/new.
Civ 6 changed too little, so it's basically a civ 5 mod. Civ 5 added 1 UPT and removed city maintenance from civ 4, and so the developers are basically throwing away everything that made a Civ game.
There's no middle ground that will cut off all the complaints. The same game is going to get complaints that it's too similar to what came before AND that it's too different.
For what it's worth, the developers view of how much should change between sequels is that roughly one-third of the game should be completely the same, about one-third should be tweaked, one-third should be different/new.
Japper007
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If you truly want to understand why hate seems (note:seems) to be the majority reaction consider the following scenarios:
-someone holds open a door for you
-someone slams said door in your face
which of those is more likely to get a response from you?
It works the same way with games, awesome new features are largely overlooked (or at least not commented upon), while the bad points get visiously shouted down.
-someone holds open a door for you
-someone slams said door in your face
which of those is more likely to get a response from you?
It works the same way with games, awesome new features are largely overlooked (or at least not commented upon), while the bad points get visiously shouted down.
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This is a simple yet efficient way of explaining it, and it made me laugh.
But let's expand on it a bit.
What if you THINK someone holds open a door for you - a door into a better Civ world with all the pieces added that Civ IV was lacking - but IN REALITY that person slams it right into your face by making a whole new game that for reasons like 1UPT or global happiness you don't like at all?
I'm talking about Civ V of course, but not necessarily about me.
Acken
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Civ6 is a mod is a good joke. How can people complaints be taken seriously after that ?
Is eu4 a mod of eu3 ?
Is eu4 a mod of eu3 ?
Healz
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The fact is that Civ V was like being given promotional material for a top line sports car like a Ferrari and then finding out on delivery it wasn't. I am still waiting to see how many that bought Civ V come back. That will be the true test... I am not sure Civ VI will suffer the faith breaking. These could have been tested easily as a different game. The Head Designer on Civ V said he had never actually played Civ and it showed to me...
Huh?
I think you just made that up.
He was a designer on Civ IV Warlords and Civ IV Beyond The Sword. He also worked as a coder on those games. Interesting trick without ever playing.
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Huh?
I think you just made that up.
He was a designer on Civ IV Warlords and Civ IV Beyond The Sword. He also worked as a coder on those games. Interesting trick without ever playing.
And iirc he was a prominent modder from Civ 3 before that.
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The other part of the post should also not be ignored:
What do you even mean by "come back"? CiV is still one of the most-played games on Steam. It's a success through and through, no matter how much you try to justify for yourself that it isn't because you personally didn't like it. Even G+K and BNW sold extremely well, so that "I thought this was a different game."-theory that made so many people buy the game and "regret it" doesn't work either.
Civ VI is, gameplay-wise, a vastly improved CiV, that has filled the gaps of its predecessor, but has overall a similar gameplay. The only thing that is a constant complaint is the graphics style, but I highly doubt that will keep many people from buying the game. Unless it comes out as a totally mess of a game that just doesn't run properly the game will with a 99.9% chance be a huge success and you will once again have to add another layer of justifications on that cake of denial of yours.
Metaphors. How do they work?
What do you even mean by "come back"? CiV is still one of the most-played games on Steam. It's a success through and through, no matter how much you try to justify for yourself that it isn't because you personally didn't like it. Even G+K and BNW sold extremely well, so that "I thought this was a different game."-theory that made so many people buy the game and "regret it" doesn't work either.
Civ VI is, gameplay-wise, a vastly improved CiV, that has filled the gaps of its predecessor, but has overall a similar gameplay. The only thing that is a constant complaint is the graphics style, but I highly doubt that will keep many people from buying the game. Unless it comes out as a totally mess of a game that just doesn't run properly the game will with a 99.9% chance be a huge success and you will once again have to add another layer of justifications on that cake of denial of yours.
Metaphors. How do they work?
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