why no hebrew civ ???
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southafrica said:http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=131211
Yes and your gun reference referring to your opponents as redneck isn’t immature whatsoever
After you read all the arguments for and against let me know if this topic hasn't been run into the ground... Welcome to the forum
-SA
Thanks for the link.
In the future, please don't call me an idiot. If absolutely must resort to name calling then at least use a little class rather than toting about that you sir garbage.
Mercade
the Counsellor
Q: Why no <xxx> CIV? 
(whine)
A: There are only 16 civilizations in Civ4 vanilla. There are about 200 countries and numerous historic civilizations / countries that are no more. Do the math.
(whine)A: There are only 16 civilizations in Civ4 vanilla. There are about 200 countries and numerous historic civilizations / countries that are no more. Do the math.
Benjie said:
Funny, you have more posts than the guy who called you names.
There's no reason to brandish swords at each other people. Both of you are correct - but if you look at it from the "americans are english" perspective:
Australians are english, canada is english, and large portions of south africa are english. and Mexicans are really Spanish.
The term "American" means "from America" -- the term "English" (in this context) means "from England" -- Since i was born in america, i am American. Regardless of the fact that one of my ancient ancestors may have come from england. Also, I have scottish, native american, and italian blood. What does this make me? I'm a mutt, I'm not from Scotland, Italy, or England, I'm from America, so I am American.
America's demographic is far too widespread to say that all americans are actually English. It's impossible. we have a huge percentage of asians, asian pacific islanders, africans, and others -- you can't say they're all English. So you say they're American, the one thing they have in common is that they all are in/from/citizens of America.
southafrica
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Benjie said:
Ray,
I would give up, as I think it is impossible not only to persuade 'them' that America MAY be an independent civilization and that having them at exist 4000BC is just as ridiculous as any civilization existing at 4000BC but to even to convince 'them' it IS a possibility. (you have a better chance at convincing them that the sky is red.)
For your own sanity, give up...
-SA (disgruntled historian)
It's not at all about the 4000BC stuff. I haven't complained about that once. I'm not just being stubborn, we are arguing over different things.southafrica said:
Tell you what - I give up. This is pointless.
EDIT: Just to explain what I was ranting on about: I don't really like how modern America and other hostile takeovers are represented within the rules. I think that it would be nice if America was handled, for example, like prestige classes are handled within D&D. Where after certain requirements have been met, Civ "A" can defeat Civ "B" and go on to found Civ "C" on their land. Either as a close ally controlled by computer AI, or a division of the founding empire. Perhaps both with independence rule-stuffs.
Except in a game of Civilization, America might be founded by the Polish after they defeat the Koreans.
4000BC has nothing to do with it.
Jonathan
Prince
The Jews have never been among the most successful civs in terms of empire reach. But they score points for longevity: they started in ancient times, and they're still around now.
They were also the origin of TWO religions represented in the game.
Someday I'd like to assemble a lineup of 18 civs that all got started before Christ. I think the Jews probably deserve to be included in that group.
They were also the origin of TWO religions represented in the game.
Someday I'd like to assemble a lineup of 18 civs that all got started before Christ. I think the Jews probably deserve to be included in that group.
southafrica
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Benjie,
Ask Jonathan if this topic of "American Civilization" has gone on long enough for each side to declare "agree to disagree."
-SA
Ask Jonathan if this topic of "American Civilization" has gone on long enough for each side to declare "agree to disagree."
-SA
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Benjie said:
To the contrary that has EVERYTHING to do with it! The modern english are very much a FRENCH civilization following the same lines. The Russians are really Vikings (same with the Italians who are more Viking and Germanic than Roman) France (Germanic, Franks were a highly successful Germanic Tribe), Roman from Greece (Romans added Greek culture to their tactics in fact it wasn't even until the Romans adopted GREEK MILITARY WARFARE that they really started expanding in ancient times the romans lost many armies, what seperated them was the fact that they were able to keep fielding armies, don't believe me check out hannibal (sp)... The list can go on and on and on... See what I mean it all depends on where YOU want to define an civilization, because historically each civilization borrows heavily from previous civilizations!
-SA (I surrender and will not become frustrated as IT IS ONLY A GAME)
trotskylite
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america will always be in the game, regardless of how much we argue about it.
if you don't want them in, you can always customize your opponents. that should really be about the extent that anyone worries or does anything about it.
as for 'why isn't xxx in the game?'-- it's so tired that i'm not even going to dignify anything along that line of questioning with a response anymore.
if you don't want them in, you can always customize your opponents. that should really be about the extent that anyone worries or does anything about it.
as for 'why isn't xxx in the game?'-- it's so tired that i'm not even going to dignify anything along that line of questioning with a response anymore.
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Benjie said:
I do apologize for my 'Idiot' comment, it was indeed unncessary... not because you claimed I had a good point but because I shouldn't take
my frustration on you...
-SA
Zhahz
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I'm not the historian that some people here apparently are, but it occurs to me that the civs that appear in the game either contributed notably to civilization in some way (great advances in science, medicine, culture, or something) and/or they were a culture that developed a significant empire via military action. At the very least, as is the case when they've included native american "cultures", it was a matter of peoples that advanced a great deal in near isolation and shared many features of major cultures.
Whilst the hebrew culture has been around a very long time I don't think it's ever been any kind of significant military empire nor can I think of any notable contributions to civilization, compared to the achievements that are usually associated with the other civs in the game.
Probably the most notable thing about the hebrews is that they've been persecuted and bullied more than any other culture in existence and have managed to survive through it all, which doesn't really qualify them for game purposes.
Whilst the hebrew culture has been around a very long time I don't think it's ever been any kind of significant military empire nor can I think of any notable contributions to civilization, compared to the achievements that are usually associated with the other civs in the game.
Probably the most notable thing about the hebrews is that they've been persecuted and bullied more than any other culture in existence and have managed to survive through it all, which doesn't really qualify them for game purposes.
GangsterOctopus
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What about the Jewish contributions to religion?
