Why no Hitler?

[drkodos]

Hitler. He's almost as popular a topic as the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

As evidence I cite The History Channel, which essentially devotes half its programming to Hitler.

Good call.

Hence its new name, the Hitlery Channel.




I think that there is something absolutely and profoundly more despicable in some of the things the Nazis did to people compared to the ordinary, run-of-the-mill type of brutal inhumanity employed by several other nefariously evil leaders. The way in which the Nazis betrayed even their closest allies, the cowardice and lack of any accountability at the end by suicide, and many more reasons both as to why so many people continue to be fascinated by the wreckage of humanity associated with Hitler and why Firaxis wisely decided to keep him out of the fun that is the Civ game series.

 

[Stylesrj]

Oppresive: +1 hammers in all tiles, -1 happiness in all cities and also don't forget a -100% great person birth rate and 100% military unit production (double if it's Panzers)

Leaders specialties: If you play as Adolf Hitler, you cannot found or spread or be spread too with the religion of Judaism (it would be funny though to see "Adolf Hitler converts to Judaism). That'd be a good trait for Adolf Hitler

 

[the_elf]

Oppresive: +1 hammers in all tiles, -1 happiness in all cities and also don't forget a -100% great person birth rate and 100% military unit production (double if it's Panzers)

Leaders specialties: If you play as Adolf Hitler, you cannot found or spread or be spread too with the religion of Judaism (it would be funny though to see "Adolf Hitler converts to Judaism). That'd be a good trait for Adolf Hitler

But...ironically, he was Jewish.

 

[ianfuture]

he wasn't a particularly good leader once he embarked on his military conquests. prior to that he was a charismatic opportunist.

I think including him is just too sensitive an issue for too many people.

I.

 

[holy king]

dont know, maybe hiding behind a treb???

 

[aelf]

A person who starts a thread like this immediately shows his lack of intelligence. If you don't want that to be you, don't do it.

 

[SpartanEvolved]

Hitler was not a Jew. It is possible that he was, but IT IS NOT A FACT that Hitler was Jewish.

 

[Barney's_Soul]

Oppresive: +1 hammers in all tiles, -1 happiness in all cities and also don't forget a -100% great person birth rate and 100% military unit production (double if it's Panzers)

Leaders specialties: If you play as Adolf Hitler, you cannot found or spread or be spread too with the religion of Judaism (it would be funny though to see "Adolf Hitler converts to Judaism). That'd be a good trait for Adolf Hitler

Come to think of it - Stalin should be Oppressive/Industreous.

 

[BaneBlade]

I couldn't give the aggresive/charismatic trait combination to a leader whose military victories were based on a massive build up (relative to regional contemporaries) prior to war breaking out but made rapid losses once they faced up to nations in the field with similar levels of military productivity.

I'd only give one of them. I choose charismatic. Populist with a well trained army (quickly gained promotions).

I would definetly pick industrious (ahead of either aggresive or charismatic) for the same reason as I would pick it for Stalin. Succesful, large-scale, government-sanctioned projects.

Yadda Yadda.....
Divisions available at start of WW2:
G. Britain: 9
Poland: 43
France:86
Germany: 78
Massive, GIGANTIC buildup in relation to neighbours/population-base!

 

[the_elf]

Hitler was not a Jew. It is possible that he was, but IT IS NOT A FACT that Hitler was Jewish.

You're right. I'm sorry...I didn't realize that it was only speculation, and really his own fear that he might have been one quarter Jewish:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolph_Hitler#Childhood_and_heritage

You learn something every day.

 

[darkman-perth-a]

Odds are, he will end up like Napoleon or Ghengis Khan. Feared while he is around, hated after he is gone, but eventually remembered as a great leader and conqueror.

I wonder what history lessons will be like in school in 500 years time and how Nazi Germany and Stalinist Soviet Union are rememberd?

I also woder how much the truth will be distorted.

 

[SpartanEvolved]

It's okay elf. My History teacher is nuts over WW2 and Hitler. We had a week long unit over Hitlers life, and we covered that. The way he could be was something about an affair with a doctor or something.

 

[mutax2003]

Here is the wikipedia entry on Hitler:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler

It is interesting how he rose from an unemployed artist to the chancellor of Germany, and ultimately the man who orchestrated the holocaust that murdered 11 million people.

 

[Barney's_Soul]

Do you guys think by Civ 10(maybe in 10-15 years...) that by then everyone will have gotten over Hitler(like we have with Napoleon) and people won't care if their youth are takeing over the world with Hitler?

 

[Mutant]

Um, no. The deaths of 60 million people are hard to forget.

 

[lasdlt]

Any reason why we need three threads debating the Civnifigance D) of Hitler?

 

[Aristos]

Um, no. The deaths of 60 million people are hard to forget.

but the beast of Stalin can be, right?

Such hypocresies are turning the world upside down, you know? I don't like Hitler, nor Stalin, nor Mao, nor Kim, nor Chavez, nor Mussolini... in fact, I don't like anyone who seeks to destroy individuality.

But that is not reason for me to ignore them. In any case, either we ban them all, or we include them all... Stalin yes, Hitler no, is a huge hypocresy...

 

[DevilJin]

Wow... there are too much threads about Hitler
can you stop talking about this crazy man? please

 

[Barney's_Soul]

Wow... there are too much threads about Hitler
can you stop talking about this crazy man? please

But Mao Zedong, Napoleon, and more importently, Stalin, are just fine to talk about? Okay, Stalin was a wonderful leader who loved giving flowers to his people even though they were being shipped off to Syberia for no reason and had no food, but Stalin is in CivIV because he would ruteinly walk around giving flowers to starving peasents, but HITLER never did that so he was considered a crazy man and isn't in Civ.

Oh and Stalin was a great guy, ordering his troups to bascicly massare anything that resembles a German citizen when the Soviets marched into Berlin... Yeah what a great guy!




P.S Stalin didn't trust the Jews and was about to orginize another great Purge and would have done so if he didn't die in 1953. yeah but that woulden't matter, as he was with the allies, so he can massacre as many Jews as he wants, as long as he's friendly with the Allies.

 

[drkodos]

Barney, for whatever reason you sport such wood for Adolf, I don't care. But there are major tactical reasons why Stalin is in and Herr Uni-ball is out. One reason is that Post War World Stalin signed agreement with Chruchill and Roosevelt and Uni-ball decided to gack himself which makes him a pathetic loser, not strong leader.

Plus, no other leader ever used state sponsored genocide to the effect the Nazis did. This, and this alone, catapults their evil above and beyond any other people compare it to. The horror is more recent in the minds of people, as it happened at date & time in history when most of the western world became more highly sensitized and protective of human rights.

With each and every one of the these Hitler threads I become further convinced that the originators of such threads are either completely uneducated ignoramouses or Nazi apologists.