Why no roman wonders?

[TrashMan]

Seriously, they were probably the greatest architechts in human history and nothing of theirs gets a Wonder status? The colloseum of Rome? Circus Maximus? The Pantheon? Hadrians Theatre? Rome is LITTERED with amazing, complex structures.

Of sure, you might say you can build a colloseum in every city - and frankly I think this sucks. Something like a more common, half-circle shaped theatre would be better, with the Colossseum being a wonder...as it deserves. It is a far more complex building than the pyramids, and they are a wonder.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theatre_of_ancient_Greece

 

[dexters]

The structure of the game is already Roman. Designers have long eshewed from giving Roman wonders a centre stage when the Aqueduct (not in Civ5 but was in previous Civ) and Coliseum (in Civ5 and previous games) are standard buildings for every Civ.

This would be like having the 'Pagoda' and '[Chinese] Garden' as standard buildings for every Civ.

We can have a really intellectual discussion about this of course, but my feeling is, the original design went for the 7 wonders of the ancient world then built on that. Unfortunately, Roman projects wasn't on that list.

 

[TrashMan]

Which is initself really stupid.

Why not replace the colloseum with anther strucutre and give the Colloseum or Circus Maximus a proper Wonder spot?

Really...saying that you don't need a roman wonder cause you already got a regular roman building...it's like saying we should ditch Himenji castle because we already have a castle structure...

 

[dexters]

I guess the question is, in Civ5 where happiness is really rationed, whether you think a Coliseum that gives +4 happiness which you can build in every city, and is the cornerstone of your infrastructure is less important than a possible Coliseum wonder that might give +8.

 

[TheMolossian]

Because Rome sucks (yes. This is a legitimate argument)

Also, because the fact that while the roman constructions were fairly impressive, the scale is not as much as other ancient and classical Wonders. Admitadly, I disagree with a lot of other wonders (Stonehenge? WTH? The Oracle? really?), but to me, a Wonder should be something with a massive scale, and everything else is either a normal building or something that doesn't make an appearance. For example, your town may have a university, but you must have a Harvard level university (used for name recognition. I fairly don't see Harvard as all that great a school, just a rich one, but it has a big name, so I used it). Similarly, your town might have an amphitheatre (I think that's the word you were looking for), but it doesn't have enough of an impact on your town's culture or city planning to make it matter as an actual building, but the roman Colosseum is a big enough cultural building and a big enough feat to make it matter. This way, it makes more sense to why in the 21st century your city can exist without a hospital or a Bank, ect, since that only means you don't have a mayo clinic, or first national bank branch.

 

[TrashMan]

Why scale? You use size as the only measure of worthyness to be a wonder?

Try to compare the Pyramids and the colloseum for example - the pyramid is the most simple and sturdy shape. The design is bare-bones and simple..there's very little complexity in it - the difficulty was in carting and making that many large blocks into place. Certanly impressive, as it required a lot of effort to build it, but it remains simple.

It's basicly like a spear that's 10X the size of normal spears. Impressive, but it's still just a simple spear.

The colloseum is a large structure, thousands of tons of stone, all carried on rows of 80 arches. It's internal working is complex with elivators, and an internal arena that can be sealed and filled with water for naval battles!!! And it adorned with masterwork statues.

Looky here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBBp10StipU&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abG-_Oen8oU&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EO1NQy4oyJs

And that's just the colloseum. the Circus Maximus may be even more spectacular. Heck, jsut look at hte Engineering an Empire documentary..So many amazing structures..

 

[The Hyper Duck]

A lot of the wonder choices in this game are strange. Brandenburg Gate? Big Ben? Really? They're important landmarks in their cities, but there's nothing particularly special about their construction. I think they were just trying to come up with buildings that weren't used as wonders in previous civ games.

 

[Becephalus]

I also think they were trying to have them from as many core consumer nations as possible.

 

[Vordeo]

Well, the Sistine Chapel's technically within Rome...

 

[Paeanblack]

I look at the Pyramids or Stonehenge or the Statue of Liberty and say "I wonder why they built that?"

I look at the Roman Aqueducts and say "That makes sense."


That's why there are no Roman wonders in the game.

 

[AJF798]

Most if not all of modern society can find it's roots in Roman culture anyway, so the whole game is a big Roman wonder basically. Think about it; the spacing or railroad tracks is the distance it is be because of roman roads and wagons on their trade routes, plumbing via aqueducts, sports stadiums, theatre, universities, etc. Albeit you could say the same thing for some eastern cultures as well. Although there are a few buildings from that age that you could work in I agree.

 

[Paeanblack]

the spacing or railroad tracks is the distance it is be because of roman roads and wagons on their trade routes

Completely unrelated.

In the US alone, there were scores of railway gauges in use at some point, and worldwide there have been hundreds. Standardization didn't really happen until we went transcontinental, and it was an extremely expensive process after that. Many thousands of miles of track were regauged.

The only connection between Roman wagons and train tracks is the email that goes around claiming there is one.

 

[Jerrymander]

I look at the Pyramids or Stonehenge or the Statue of Liberty and say "I wonder why they built that?"

I look at the Roman Aqueducts and say "That makes sense."


That's why there are no Roman wonders in the game.

Best post on CFC in a while.

 

[alpha ginger]

The Pantheon would be nice, but at least the Appian Way was was mentioned in the achievements.

 

[TrashMan]

I look at the Pyramids or Stonehenge or the Statue of Liberty and say "I wonder why they built that?"

I look at the Roman Aqueducts and say "That makes sense."


That's why there are no Roman wonders in the game.

A lot of the wonders are places of worship or palaces. How do they NOT make sense?
Pyramisd are gigantic graves. Himenji castle is a castle. The Great Library is a library.
Great Wall of China? A great wall. Why they are built is simple and makes sense.


For example - the Colosseum is estimated to take 80000 people! As much as the biggest stadiums today. It has restrooms, marked seats and entrances, can be filled and emptied within minutes. It's a better stadium than todays stadiums!

 

[Revoran]

This is a bit of a mega-bump, but why not make the Colosseum into the Amphitheater and make the Colosseum a World Wonder that is like a super-Amphitheater?

 

[Terefor]

Sorry, I posted on the wrong thread

 

[Dudu42]

Colosseun for Wonder makes a lot of sense to me.

But what would replace? Arena pits? Or maybe just a city square...
But colosseun should be a wonder, that's for sure.