Wonder Elimination Thread

[nefloyd]

Whenever you guys post, you really need to check whether someone posted within the last 5-10 minutes while you were mulling it over. Correcting amounts because comatosedragon's vote in 247 was skipped over

Alhambra 20
Big Ben 22
Brandenburg Gate 21
Chichen Itza 24
Cristo Redentor 9
Eiffel Tower 26
Forbidden Palace 8
Great Library 22
Great Lighthouse 8
Great Mosque of Djenne 14
Hagia Sophia 19
Himeji Castle 21
Hanging Gardens 26
Hubble 29
Leaning Tower of Pisa 25
Louvre 25
Machu Picchu 23
Neuschwanstein Castle 20
Notre Dame 26
Oracle 30
Petra 25
Porcelain Tower 23
Pyramids 27
Sistine Chapel 19
Statue of Liberty 23
Stonehenge 22
Sydney Opera House 16
Taj Mahal 10

Hubble : Love the double scientist pop
Chicken Pizza : Too often taken by any given AI because of their Civil beelining nature

 

[Avatan]

Alhambra 20
Big Ben 22
Brandenburg Gate 21
Chichen Itza 26
Cristo Redentor 9
Eiffel Tower 26
Forbidden Palace 6 (-2)
Great Library 22
Great Lighthouse 8
Great Mosque of Djenne 14
Hagia Sophia 19
Himeji Castle 21
Hanging Gardens 26
Hubble 28
Leaning Tower of Pisa 25
Louvre 25
Machu Picchu 23
Neuschwanstein Castle 20
Notre Dame 26 (+1)
Oracle 30
Petra 25
Porcelain Tower 23
Pyramids 27
Sistine Chapel 19
Statue of Liberty 23
Stonehenge 22
Sydney Opera House 18
Taj Mahal 10

Even with a big enough empire, the FP bonus is never worth it at the time o the construction. Maybe it make a big endgame difference, but that's when we drown in happy face anyway. So Downvote.
Notre dame in the other end gives a nice round bonus and some faith on the side. It allows me to let my cities grow a bit after the early medieval wars, it always come in handy.
It is better than EIffel Tower because militaristic civs don't have too many SP and turtles don't need that happyface. Might Downvote it soon.

 

[Birdjaguar]

Alhambra 20
Big Ben 22
Brandenburg Gate 21
Chichen Itza 26
Cristo Redentor 9
Eiffel Tower 26
Forbidden Palace 6
Great Library 22
Great Lighthouse 8
Great Mosque of Djenne 15 (+1)
Hagia Sophia 19
Himeji Castle 21
Hanging Gardens 26
Hubble 28
Leaning Tower of Pisa 25
Louvre 25
Machu Picchu 23
Neuschwanstein Castle 18 (-2)
Notre Dame 26
Oracle 30
Petra 25
Porcelain Tower 23
Pyramids 27
Sistine Chapel 19
Statue of Liberty 23
Stonehenge 22
Sydney Opera House 18
Taj Mahal 10

I like the Great Mosque for its faith and more powerful missionaries since I play heavily with religion. I rarely build the NC and it seems very ho hum to me. I only build it if I want to "add another wonder" and have nothing more important to build.

 

[PhilBowles]

Alhambra 20
Big Ben 22
Brandenburg Gate 21
Chichen Itza 24
Cristo Redentor 9
Eiffel Tower 26
Forbidden Palace 6
Great Library 22
Great Lighthouse 8
Great Mosque of Djenne 15 (+1)
Hagia Sophia 19
Himeji Castle 21
Hanging Gardens 26
Hubble 29
Leaning Tower of Pisa 25
Louvre 25
Machu Picchu 23
Neuschwanstein Castle 18 (-2)
Notre Dame 26
Oracle 30
Petra 25
Porcelain Tower 23
Pyramids 27
Sistine Chapel 19
Statue of Liberty 23
Stonehenge 22
Sydney Opera House 18
Taj Mahal 10

Both of the last two missed netfloyd's vote for Hubble (hmm, going to have to start voting against it soon - it's very good, but I don't think it deserves to be among the winners) and against Chichen Itza (don't agree with the reasoning myself - I rarely build it unless I'm Persia, but if you want it it's one of the capturable Wonders).

 

[nefloyd]

Again, people are not checking immediately previous posts... and mine was already including needed corrections

Alhambra 20
Big Ben 22
Brandenburg Gate 21
Chichen Itza 24
Cristo Redentor 9
Eiffel Tower 26
Forbidden Palace 6
Great Library 22
Great Lighthouse 8
Great Mosque of Djenne 15
Hagia Sophia 19
Himeji Castle 21
Hanging Gardens 26
Hubble 29
Leaning Tower of Pisa 25
Louvre 25
Machu Picchu 23
Neuschwanstein Castle 18
Notre Dame 27 (was at 26 per my post, +1 from Avatan)
Oracle 30
Petra 25
Porcelain Tower 23
Pyramids 27
Sistine Chapel 19
Statue of Liberty 23
Stonehenge 22
Sydney Opera House 16
Taj Mahal 10

 

[Dreadnought]

Alhambra 20
Big Ben 22
Brandenburg Gate 21
Chichen Itza 24
Cristo Redentor 7 (-2)
Eiffel Tower 26
Forbidden Palace 6
Great Library 22
Great Lighthouse 8
Great Mosque of Djenne 15
Hagia Sophia 19
Himeji Castle 21
Hanging Gardens 26
Hubble 30 (+1)
Leaning Tower of Pisa 25
Louvre 25
Machu Picchu 23
Neuschwanstein Castle 18
Notre Dame 27
Oracle 30
Petra 25
Porcelain Tower 23
Pyramids 27
Sistine Chapel 19
Statue of Liberty 23
Stonehenge 22
Sydney Opera House 16
Taj Mahal 10

 

[HeraldtheGreat]

Thanks for adding the Hanging Gardens.
I was hurrying to much:

There it is again.
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Stupid truth always resisting simplicity.
-John Green

 

[Tabarnak]

Alhambra 20
Big Ben 22
Brandenburg Gate 19
Chichen Itza 24
Cristo Redentor 7
Eiffel Tower 26
Forbidden Palace 6
Great Library 22
Great Lighthouse 8
Great Mosque of Djenne 15
Hagia Sophia 19
Himeji Castle 21
Hanging Gardens 26
Hubble 30
Leaning Tower of Pisa 26
Louvre 25
Machu Picchu 23
Neuschwanstein Castle 18
Notre Dame 27
Oracle 30
Petra 25
Porcelain Tower 23
Pyramids 27
Sistine Chapel 19
Statue of Liberty 23
Stonehenge 22
Sydney Opera House 16
Taj Mahal 10

Tower of Pisa = free gp, 25% GPP everywhere and easy to get. Nuff said.

Brandenburg gate : Kind of weak wonder because you better build more military units instead of trying to spend a lot of hammers for a gg. Get them by force!

 

[I_qua_I]

Alhambra 20
Big Ben 22
Brandenburg Gate 19
Chichen Itza 24
Cristo Redentor 7
Eiffel Tower 26
Forbidden Palace 6
Great Library 22
Great Lighthouse 6
Great Mosque of Djenne 15
Hagia Sophia 19
Himeji Castle 21
Hanging Gardens 26
Hubble 30
Leaning Tower of Pisa 26
Louvre 25
Machu Picchu 23
Neuschwanstein Castle 18
Notre Dame 27
Oracle 31
Petra 25
Porcelain Tower 23
Pyramids 27
Sistine Chapel 19
Statue of Liberty 23
Stonehenge 22
Sydney Opera House 16
Taj Mahal 10

Oracle: free social policy is great
Great Lighthouse: The most useful/effective thing about it for most of my games is the free lighthouse. The +1 movement would be better if sea travel/fighting were more relevant in my games.

 

[Daranix]

Alhambra 20
Big Ben 22
Brandenburg Gate 19
Chichen Itza 24
Cristo Redentor 5
Eiffel Tower 26
Forbidden Palace 6
Great Library 22
Great Lighthouse 7
Great Mosque of Djenne 15
Hagia Sophia 19
Himeji Castle 21
Hanging Gardens 26
Hubble 30
Leaning Tower of Pisa 26
Louvre 25
Machu Picchu 23
Neuschwanstein Castle 18
Notre Dame 27
Oracle 31
Petra 25
Porcelain Tower 23
Pyramids 27
Sistine Chapel 19
Statue of Liberty 23
Stonehenge 22
Sydney Opera House 16
Taj Mahal 10

The Great Lighthouse is just amazing on water maps. Will always try to build it if I am on one.

The Cristo is really only good for a culture game, but comes super late, sometimes so late I win before it is built. No thanks.

 

[DeathFace]

Alhambra 20
Big Ben 22
Brandenburg Gate 19
Chichen Itza 24
Cristo Redentor 5
Eiffel Tower 26
Forbidden Palace 6
Great Library 22
Great Lighthouse 5(-2)
Great Mosque of Djenne 15
Hagia Sophia 20(+1)
Himeji Castle 21
Hanging Gardens 26
Hubble 30
Leaning Tower of Pisa 26
Louvre 25
Machu Picchu 23
Neuschwanstein Castle 18
Notre Dame 27
Oracle 31
Petra 25
Porcelain Tower 23
Pyramids 27
Sistine Chapel 19
Statue of Liberty 23
Stonehenge 22
Sydney Opera House 16
Taj Mahal 10

I have still yet to play a game where I found the need for the great Lighthouse. Maybe when I final play an islands map? But even then I could just capture it if I so desire.

The Hagia Sophia is perfect to enhance a religion. Gives some extra faith from the wonder and the free temple so you can use more faith to buy buildings or units rather than a 2nd prophet.

 

[McLovin1022]

Alhambra 20
Big Ben 22
Brandenburg Gate 19
Chichen Itza 24
Cristo Redentor 3 (-2)
Eiffel Tower 26
Forbidden Palace 6
Great Library 22
Great Lighthouse 5
Great Mosque of Djenne 15
Hagia Sophia 20
Himeji Castle 21
Hanging Gardens 27 (+1)
Hubble 30
Leaning Tower of Pisa 26
Louvre 25
Machu Picchu 23
Neuschwanstein Castle 18
Notre Dame 27
Oracle 31
Petra 25
Porcelain Tower 23
Pyramids 27
Sistine Chapel 19
Statue of Liberty 23
Stonehenge 22
Sydney Opera House 16
Taj Mahal 10

Hanging Gardens Food bonuses from this are amazing for growing your capital.

Cristo Redentor Only useful for cultural victories and comes too late to be useful for them.

 

[melgs]

Alhambra 20
Big Ben 22
Brandenburg Gate 19
Chichen Itza 24
Cristo Redentor 3
Eiffel Tower 26
Forbidden Palace 6
Great Library 22
Great Lighthouse 5
Great Mosque of Djenne 13 (-2)
Hagia Sophia 20
Himeji Castle 21
Hanging Gardens 27
Hubble 30
Leaning Tower of Pisa 27 (+1)
Louvre 25
Machu Picchu 23
Neuschwanstein Castle 18
Notre Dame 27
Oracle 31
Petra 25
Porcelain Tower 23
Pyramids 27
Sistine Chapel 19
Statue of Liberty 23
Stonehenge 22
Sydney Opera House 16
Taj Mahal 10

GMOD: Not terrible, like some that have been eliminated, but really, does the THIRD religion spread really affect the game that much?

Leaning Tower: It basically is a "get the most expensive/most valuable available wonder for free" card.

 

[Aaron90495]

Woohoo, first-time voter!

Alhambra 20
Big Ben 22
Brandenburg Gate 19
Chichen Itza 24
Cristo Redentor 1
Eiffel Tower 26
Forbidden Palace 6
Great Library 22
Great Lighthouse 5
Great Mosque of Djenne 13
Hagia Sophia 20
Himeji Castle 21
Hanging Gardens 27
Hubble 30
Leaning Tower of Pisa 27
Louvre 25
Machu Picchu 23
Neuschwanstein Castle 18
Notre Dame 27
Oracle 31
Petra 26
Porcelain Tower 23
Pyramids 27
Sistine Chapel 19
Statue of Liberty 23
Stonehenge 22
Sydney Opera House 16
Taj Mahal 10

Cristo Redentor comes FAR too late to save you more than 5-6 turns, and it's only useful for cultural victories. Not only is it really situational, but it just plain sucks.

As for Petra, it can easily turn an okay desert city into an absolute powerhouse. It's situational as well, but unlike Cristo, the huge benefits of the wonder vastly outweigh the situationality (?) of it.

 

[ohdaesu]

Alhambra 20
Big Ben 22
Brandenburg Gate 19
Chichen Itza 24
Cristo Redentor 1
Eiffel Tower 26
Forbidden Palace 4
Great Library 22
Great Lighthouse 5
Great Mosque of Djenne 13
Hagia Sophia 20
Himeji Castle 21
Hanging Gardens 27
Hubble 30
Leaning Tower of Pisa 27
Louvre 25
Machu Picchu 23
Neuschwanstein Castle 18
Notre Dame 27
Oracle 31
Petra 26
Porcelain Tower 23
Pyramids 28
Sistine Chapel 19
Statue of Liberty 23
Stonehenge 22
Sydney Opera House 16
Taj Mahal 10


Never intend to use forbidden palace. It's useless when you think about its advantage.
Pyramids is a must for me to build up the civilization in early ages. +1GE is a really good advantage also.

 

[GAGA Extrem]

Alhambra 20
Big Ben 22
Brandenburg Gate 17
Chichen Itza 24
Cristo Redentor 1
Eiffel Tower 26
Forbidden Palace 4
Great Library 22
Great Lighthouse 5
Great Mosque of Djenne 13
Hagia Sophia 20
Himeji Castle 21
Hanging Gardens 27
Hubble 30
Leaning Tower of Pisa 27
Louvre 25
Machu Picchu 23
Neuschwanstein Castle 19
Notre Dame 27
Oracle 31
Petra 26
Porcelain Tower 23
Pyramids 28
Sistine Chapel 19
Statue of Liberty 23
Stonehenge 22
Sydney Opera House 16
Taj Mahal 10

Brandenburg Gate: Quite costly compared to the effect. Not a terrible wonder, but VERY situational imho.
Neuschwanstein: It needs a mountain, but oh boy, the benefits are insane. Even when playing OCC that wonder kicks ass, now try to imagine them for a really wide empire...

 

[Dogmouth]

Alhambra 20
Big Ben 22
Brandenburg Gate 17
Chichen Itza 24
Cristo Redentor 0
Eiffel Tower 26
Forbidden Palace 4
Great Library 22
Great Lighthouse 5
Great Mosque of Djenne 13
Hagia Sophia 20
Himeji Castle 21
Hanging Gardens 27
Hubble 30
Leaning Tower of Pisa 27
Louvre 25
Machu Picchu 23
Neuschwanstein Castle 20
Notre Dame 27
Oracle 31
Petra 26
Porcelain Tower 23
Pyramids 28
Sistine Chapel 19
Statue of Liberty 23
Stonehenge 22
Sydney Opera House 16
Taj Mahal 10

Redentor dies! Like others, I only find it useful for cultural victories, and even then it comes too late to be particularly good. Neuschwanstein is better than people think. It give you access to a really good happy/culture building that also boosts defense and has zero upkeep. For wide empires, NC is hard to beat. It's also synergistic with the Honor tree.

 

[sherbz]

Alhambra 20
Big Ben 22
Brandenburg Gate 17
Chichen Itza 24
Eiffel Tower 27
Forbidden Palace 4
Great Library 22
Great Lighthouse 3
Great Mosque of Djenne 13
Hagia Sophia 20
Himeji Castle 21
Hanging Gardens 27
Hubble 30
Leaning Tower of Pisa 27
Louvre 25
Machu Picchu 23
Neuschwanstein Castle 20
Notre Dame 27
Oracle 31
Petra 26
Porcelain Tower 23
Pyramids 28
Sistine Chapel 19
Statue of Liberty 23
Stonehenge 22
Sydney Opera House 16
Taj Mahal 10

 

[PhilBowles]

Alhambra 20
Big Ben 22
Brandenburg Gate 17
Chichen Itza 24
Eiffel Tower 27
Forbidden Palace 4
Great Library 22
Great Lighthouse 3
Great Mosque of Djenne 13
Hagia Sophia 20
Himeji Castle 21
Hanging Gardens 27
Hubble 28
Leaning Tower of Pisa 27
Louvre 25
Machu Picchu 23
Neuschwanstein Castle 20
Notre Dame 27
Oracle 31
Petra 27
Porcelain Tower 23
Pyramids 28
Sistine Chapel 19
Statue of Liberty 23
Stonehenge 22
Sydney Opera House 16
Taj Mahal 10

Hubble: Reversing yesterday's vote simply because, while it's a good Wonder, it doesn't deserve to be the winner. It's definitely not the best. And people have slammed a lot of Wonders for only being good for one victory type (mainly cultural), so surely the same reasoning applies to Hubble? The production bonuses only affect spaceship parts, and by the time you reach Satellites - if you've gone down that tech path - you don't need any further techs for other victory conditions. So this is a Wonder that's only useful for science victories.

Petra: I've given all my favourites +1 by now, so I'll return to my most favourite, for the same reasons as in my first vote.

 

[PlasticSoldier]

Alhambra 20
Big Ben 22
Brandenburg Gate 17
Chichen Itza 24
Eiffel Tower 28 (+1)
Forbidden Palace 4
Great Library 22
Great Lighthouse 1 (-2)
Great Mosque of Djenne 13
Hagia Sophia 20
Himeji Castle 21
Hanging Gardens 27
Hubble 28
Leaning Tower of Pisa 27
Louvre 25
Machu Picchu 23
Neuschwanstein Castle 20
Notre Dame 27
Oracle 31
Petra 27
Porcelain Tower 23
Pyramids 28
Sistine Chapel 19
Statue of Liberty 23
Stonehenge 22
Sydney Opera House 16
Taj Mahal 10