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Wonder Elimination Thread

Discussion in 'Civ5 - General Discussions' started by MantaRevan, Oct 12, 2013.

  1. MantaRevan

    MantaRevan Emperor

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    Ankor Wat is the first to go!

    Yeah the CN tower is weird because I feel like it's more in the game for a player who's vastly ahead to build to boost their score before the end game for the HoF than for any real in-game effect.
     
  2. cpm4001

    cpm4001 Goggleman

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    Alhambra-21
    Big Ben- 17
    Borobudur- 21
    Brandenburg Gate-20
    Broadway- 20
    Chichen Itza- 20
    CN Tower- 14
    Colossus- 21
    Cristo Redentor- 20 - 3 = 17 - Dull, dull "wonder". It comes too late to really help with the Social Policies and besides, it unlocks with Plastics, so you're going to be focusing on getting Research Labs up and running instead of building a wonder.
    Eiffel Tower- 21
    Forbidden Palace- 20
    Globe Theater- 20
    Great Firewall- 17
    Great Library- 22
    Great Lighthouse- 20
    Great Mosque of D'jenne- 20
    Great Wall- 17
    Hagia Sophia- 20
    Hanging Gardens- 21
    Himeji Castle- 20
    Hubble Space Telescope- 21
    Kremlin- 20
    Leaning Tower- 21
    Louvre- 20
    Machu Picchu- 20
    Mausoleum- 20
    Neuschwanstein- 20
    Notre Dame- 21
    Oracle- 22 + 1 = 23 - Not only is this fantastic and super versatile but as it unlocks at Philosophy (which you'll probably be beelining) AND the AI rarely builds it it is a completely "gettable" wonder.
    Parthenon- 20
    Pentagon- 8
    Petra- 21
    Porcelain Tower- 21
    Prora- 20
    Pyramids- 20
    Red Fort- 20
    Sistine Chapel-20
    Statue Of Liberty- 21
    Statue of Zeus- 17
    Stonehenge- 22
    Sydney Opera House- 17
    Taj Mahal- 20
    Temple of Artemis- 20
    Terracotta Army- 20
    Uffizi- 20
     
  3. arand86

    arand86 Warlord

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    Alhambra-21
    Big Ben- 17
    Borobudur- 21
    Brandenburg Gate-20
    Broadway- 20
    Chichen Itza- 20
    CN Tower- 14
    Colossus- 21
    Cristo Redentor- 17
    Eiffel Tower- 21
    Forbidden Palace- 21 Surprised this didn't get an upvote yet. 2 delegates makes getting the easy diplo win even easier. In addition, the happiness is a nice bonus.
    Globe Theater- 20
    Great Firewall- 17
    Great Library- 22
    Great Lighthouse- 20
    Great Mosque of D'jenne- 20
    Great Wall- 17
    Hagia Sophia- 20
    Hanging Gardens- 21
    Himeji Castle- 20
    Hubble Space Telescope- 21
    Kremlin- 20
    Leaning Tower- 21
    Louvre- 20
    Machu Picchu- 20
    Mausoleum- 20
    Neuschwanstein- 20
    Notre Dame- 21
    Oracle- 23
    Parthenon- 20
    Pentagon- 8
    Petra- 21
    Porcelain Tower- 21
    Prora- 20
    Pyramids- 20
    Red Fort- 20
    Sistine Chapel-20
    Statue Of Liberty- 21
    Statue of Zeus- 17
    Stonehenge- 22
    Sydney Opera House- 17
    Taj Mahal- 20
    Temple of Artemis- 20
    Terracotta Army- 17 It costs more than straight up building units if you don't have a lot of different kinds of units. If you have a lot of different kinds this early in the game, you're doing awful anyway, you need to be getting buildings up.
    Uffizi- 20
     
  4. megistatos

    megistatos Warlord of Mars

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    Alhambra-21
    Big Ben- 17
    Borobudur- 21
    Brandenburg Gate-20
    Broadway- 20
    Chichen Itza- 20
    CN Tower- 14
    Colossus- 21
    Cristo Redentor- 17
    Eiffel Tower- 21
    Forbidden Palace- 21
    Globe Theater- 20
    Great Firewall- 17
    Great Library- 22
    Great Lighthouse- 20
    Great Mosque of D'jenne- 20
    Great Wall- 17
    Hagia Sophia- 20
    Hanging Gardens- 21
    Himeji Castle- 20
    Hubble Space Telescope- 21
    Kremlin- 20
    Leaning Tower- 21
    Louvre- 20
    Machu Picchu- 20
    Mausoleum- 20
    Neuschwanstein- 20
    Notre Dame- 21
    Oracle- 23
    Parthenon- 20
    Pentagon- 8
    Petra- 21
    Porcelain Tower- 21
    Prora- 20
    Pyramids- 20
    Red Fort- 17
    Sistine Chapel-20
    Statue Of Liberty- 21
    Statue of Zeus- 17
    Stonehenge- 22
    Sydney Opera House- 17
    Taj Mahal- 20
    Temple of Artemis- 21
    Terracotta Army- 17
    Uffizi- 20

    I love going super-tall with the help of ToA. Engineer point is nice too and archery production bonus can help get back some of the hammers invested.

    I rarely build defensive buildings and am usually not being attacked much by the renaissance. Th 1 scientist point is probably the only reason I'd build it.
     
  5. Unitedsquadron2

    Unitedsquadron2 Chieftain

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    Alhambra-21
    Big Ben- 17
    Borobudur- 21
    Brandenburg Gate-20
    Broadway- 20
    Chichen Itza- 20
    CN Tower- 14
    Colossus- 21
    Cristo Redentor- 17
    Eiffel Tower- 21
    Forbidden Palace- 21
    Globe Theater- 20
    Great Firewall- 17
    Great Library- 22
    Great Lighthouse- 20
    Great Mosque of D'jenne- 20
    Great Wall- 17
    Hagia Sophia- 20
    Hanging Gardens- 21
    Himeji Castle- 20
    Hubble Space Telescope- 21
    Kremlin- 20
    Leaning Tower- 21
    Louvre- 20
    Machu Picchu- 20
    Mausoleum- 20
    Neuschwanstein- 20
    Notre Dame- 21
    Oracle- 23
    Parthenon- 20
    Pentagon- 8
    Petra- 21
    Porcelain Tower- 21
    Prora- 20
    Pyramids- 21 - Build your empire FAST with this!
    Red Fort- 17
    Sistine Chapel-20
    Statue Of Liberty- 21
    Statue of Zeus- 17
    Stonehenge- 19 - Can anybody explain to me, why Borobudur, has the same bonus, but still gives you more? At least Angkor Wat gave a unigue bonus.
    Sydney Opera House- 17
    Taj Mahal- 20
    Temple of Artemis- 21
    Terracotta Army- 17
    Uffizi- 20
     
  6. jlim201

    jlim201 King

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    Stonehenge is supposed to help with early game faith and founding religion, and Borobudur is more for mid game religion spreading.
     
  7. MantaRevan

    MantaRevan Emperor

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    Stonehenge comes around the time when you race for a religion and gives you engineers, borobudur is supposed to help you spread an established religion. Does anyone know what happens if someone without one builds it?
     
  8. cpm4001

    cpm4001 Goggleman

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    You can't; Borobudur has to be built in a Holy City.
    Though I wish they'd put that same sort of limit on the Great Mosque; it's kinda ridiculous to see someone without a religion build it (yes, the AI actually does do this!)
     
  9. redwings1340

    redwings1340 Emperor

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    Alhambra-21
    Big Ben- 17
    Borobudur- 21
    Brandenburg Gate-20
    Broadway- 20
    Chichen Itza- 20
    CN Tower- 14
    Colossus- 21
    Cristo Redentor- 17
    Eiffel Tower- 21
    Forbidden Palace- 21
    Globe Theater- 20
    Great Firewall- 17
    Great Library- 22
    Great Lighthouse- 20
    Great Mosque of D'jenne- 20
    Great Wall- 17
    Hagia Sophia- 20
    Hanging Gardens- 21
    Himeji Castle- 20
    Hubble Space Telescope- 21
    Kremlin- 20
    Leaning Tower- 21
    Louvre- 20
    Machu Picchu- 20
    Mausoleum- 20
    Neuschwanstein- 20
    Notre Dame- 21
    Oracle- 23
    Parthenon- 20
    Pentagon- 9 I was actually a bit surprised that everyone is hating on this wonder. I'm going to explain a bit below, because I've always found this and a lot of recently downvoted late game wonders to be pretty useful.
    Petra- 21
    Porcelain Tower- 21
    Prora- 20
    Pyramids- 21
    Red Fort- 17
    Sistine Chapel-20
    Statue Of Liberty- 21
    Statue of Zeus- 17
    Stonehenge- 19
    Sydney Opera House- 17
    Taj Mahal- 20
    Temple of Artemis- 21
    Terracotta Army- 14 This is available so early that it becomes a catch 22. You can build a ton of units, but if you build too many this wonder will get taken by an AI, and you'll be broke with a medium army for not a huge benefit. If you build this, you've probably not built as enough units to make this useful. If you succeed in this sweet center that's amazingly difficult and risky to time, it can be great, but it's so risky. I could see it used pretty well with Germany with all their barbarian reinforcements, but otherwise you have to sacrifice so much production on both military units and the wonder, and your infrastructure will lag behind, even if you are successful!
    Uffizi- 20


    So, I've noticed in this thread that a lot of late game wonders are being downvoted. These wonders certainly don't have the same power as early game wonders, but they come at such a lower opportunity cost. Choices are so prevalent early game, you can build your choice of 3 wonders, a granary, a library, a water mill, a monument, a shrine, or a composite bowman. All of these choices give you amazing benefits, which is why it sometimes takes deity for people to realize how little they're missing from all the wonders, since they attribute their wonders to their success. In the end game, I can maybe build the pentagon, 2 bombers, or a broadcast tower and a bomber. Not a huge opportunity cost there for building the Pentagon. If I have 5 great war bombers and 4 triplanes, I can wait 10 turns for the Pentagon and save a fair bit of money on upgrading my units. Meanwhile, I can still spend my money elsewhere (city states). Also, if I happen to have a great engineer at the time where I can build one of these wonders, why not build it? Building late game wonders costs very little compared to building early game ones, so they're still pretty good, even if they are less powerful overall.
     
  10. greygamer

    greygamer Feudal Lord

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    Alhambra-21
    Big Ben- 17
    Borobudur- 21
    Brandenburg Gate-20
    Broadway- 20
    Chichen Itza- 20
    CN Tower- 14
    Colossus- 21
    Cristo Redentor- 17
    Eiffel Tower- 21
    Forbidden Palace- 21
    Globe Theater- 20
    Great Firewall- 17
    Great Library- 22
    Great Lighthouse- 20
    Great Mosque of D'jenne- 20
    Great Wall- 17
    Hagia Sophia- 20
    Hanging Gardens- 21
    Himeji Castle- 20
    Hubble Space Telescope- 21
    Kremlin- 20
    Leaning Tower- 21
    Louvre- 20
    Machu Picchu- 20
    Mausoleum- 21 +1 I never used to build this until BNW but the extra gold for GW,GA, & GM is very useful in the early part of the game for a relatively small investment.
    Neuschwanstein- 20
    Notre Dame- 21
    Oracle- 23
    Parthenon- 20
    Pentagon- 9
    Petra- 21
    Porcelain Tower- 21
    Prora- 20
    Pyramids- 21
    Red Fort- 17
    Sistine Chapel-20
    Statue Of Liberty- 21
    Statue of Zeus- 17
    Stonehenge- 19
    Sydney Opera House- 17
    Taj Mahal- 20
    Temple of Artemis- 21
    Terracotta Army- 11 -3 I never build this and if a neighbour builds it I simply wall my cities near them
    Uffizi- 20
     
  11. Walter R

    Walter R Great Engineer

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    Alhambra-21
    Big Ben- 17-
    Borobudur- 21
    Brandenburg Gate-20
    Broadway- 20
    Chichen Itza- 20
    CN Tower- 17
    Colossus- 21
    Cristo Redentor- 20
    Eiffel Tower- 21
    Forbidden Palace- 20
    Globe Theater- 20
    Great Firewall- 17
    Great Library- 22
    Great Lighthouse- 20
    Great Mosque of D'jenne- 20
    Great Wall- 17
    Hagia Sophia- 20
    Hanging Gardens- 21
    Himeji Castle- 20
    Hubble Space Telescope- 22
    Kremlin- 20
    Leaning Tower- 21
    Louvre- 20
    Machu Picchu- 20
    Mausoleum- 20
    Neuschwanstein- 20
    Notre Dame- 21
    Oracle- 22-
    Parthenon- 20
    Pentagon- 5
    Petra- 20
    Porcelain Tower- 21
    Prora- 20
    Pyramids- 20
    Red Fort- 20
    Sistine Chapel-20
    Statue Of Liberty- 21
    Statue of Zeus- 17
    Stonehenge- 22
    Sydney Opera House- 17
    Taj Mahal- 20
    Temple of Artemis- 20
    Terracotta Army- 20
    Uffizi- 20

    Pentagon: as already said, too late in the game
    Hubble: Must-have for me, it gives such a boost
     
  12. NoOneImportant

    NoOneImportant Warlord

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    Alhambra-21
    Big Ben- 17
    Borobudur- 21
    Brandenburg Gate-20
    Broadway- 20
    Chichen Itza- 20
    CN Tower- 11 The worst wonder has to be the most useless one. I actually believe that Angkor Wat is better than this, as it can actually do something.
    Colossus- 21
    Cristo Redentor- 17
    Eiffel Tower- 21
    Forbidden Palace- 21
    Globe Theater- 20
    Great Firewall- 17
    Great Library- 22
    Great Lighthouse- 20
    Great Mosque of D'jenne- 20
    Great Wall- 17
    Hagia Sophia- 20
    Hanging Gardens- 21
    Himeji Castle- 20
    Hubble Space Telescope- 22
    Kremlin- 20
    Leaning Tower- 21
    Louvre- 20
    Machu Picchu- 20
    Mausoleum of Halicarnassus- 21
    Neuschwanstein- 20
    Notre Dame- 21
    Oracle- 23
    Parthenon- 20
    Pentagon- 6
    Petra- 22 - Very good if you can get it at all and incredible in a right location. When there are strategies based on a single wonder, it must be more than great.
    Porcelain Tower- 21
    Prora- 20
    Pyramids- 21
    Red Fort- 17
    Sistine Chapel-20
    Statue Of Liberty- 21
    Statue of Zeus- 17
    Stonehenge- 19
    Sydney Opera House- 17
    Taj Mahal- 20
    Temple of Artemis- 21
    Terracotta Army- 11

    I also corrected the mistakes of the previous voter.
     
  13. Walter R

    Walter R Great Engineer

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    Thanks.
     
  14. VicRatlhead5199

    VicRatlhead5199 King

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    Alhambra-21
    Big Ben- 17
    Borobudur- 21
    Brandenburg Gate-20
    Broadway- 20
    Chichen Itza- 20
    CN Tower- 8 Would be a great wonder if it came an era or two earlier but it's almost completely pointless where it's at. Most cities where the broadcast tower would be really useful already have one and even the happiness is too little too late. Only time I build this is if I'm warmongering and need a last minute happiness bump. Too bad it's not even on the warmongering branch of the tech tree.
    Colossus- 21
    Cristo Redentor- 17
    Eiffel Tower- 21
    Forbidden Palace- 22 Very useful for gaining power in the WC. The unhappiness reduction is just icing on the cake.
    Globe Theater- 20
    Great Firewall- 17
    Great Library- 22
    Great Lighthouse- 20
    Great Mosque of D'jenne- 20
    Great Wall- 17
    Hagia Sophia- 20
    Hanging Gardens- 21
    Himeji Castle- 20
    Hubble Space Telescope- 22
    Kremlin- 20
    Leaning Tower- 21
    Louvre- 20
    Machu Picchu- 20
    Mausoleum of Halicarnassus- 21
    Neuschwanstein- 20
    Notre Dame- 21
    Oracle- 23
    Parthenon- 20
    Pentagon- 6
    Petra- 22
    Porcelain Tower- 21
    Prora- 20
    Pyramids- 21
    Red Fort- 17
    Sistine Chapel-20
    Statue Of Liberty- 21
    Statue of Zeus- 17
    Stonehenge- 19
    Sydney Opera House- 17
    Taj Mahal- 20
    Temple of Artemis- 21
    Terracotta Army- 11
     
  15. Teagen

    Teagen Warlord

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    Alhambra-21
    Big Ben- 17
    Borobudur- 21
    Brandenburg Gate-20
    Broadway- 20
    Chichen Itza- 20
    CN Tower- 8
    Colossus- 21
    Cristo Redentor- 17
    Eiffel Tower- 21
    Forbidden Palace- 22
    Globe Theater- 20
    Great Firewall- 17
    Great Library- 22
    Great Lighthouse- 20
    Great Mosque of D'jenne- 20
    Great Wall- 17
    Hagia Sophia- 20
    Hanging Gardens- 21
    Himeji Castle- 20
    Hubble Space Telescope- 22
    Kremlin- 20
    Leaning Tower- 22
    Louvre- 20
    Machu Picchu- 20
    Mausoleum of Halicarnassus- 21
    Neuschwanstein- 20
    Notre Dame- 21
    Oracle- 23
    Parthenon- 20
    Pentagon- 3
    Petra- 22
    Porcelain Tower- 21
    Prora- 20
    Pyramids- 21
    Red Fort- 17
    Sistine Chapel-20
    Statue Of Liberty- 21
    Statue of Zeus- 17
    Stonehenge- 19
    Sydney Opera House- 17
    Taj Mahal- 20
    Temple of Artemis- 21
    Terracotta Army- 11
     
  16. Beaver79

    Beaver79 Warlord

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    Alhambra-21
    Big Ben- 17
    Borobudur- 21
    Brandenburg Gate-20
    Broadway- 20
    Chichen Itza- 20
    CN Tower- 9 = 8 + 1 Wow look at all the tall skinny players voting this down. Yes it does come late and probably won't matter because of that lateness, but if you are wide it certainly does do something. My last Arabian game I had 20 cities and built this. It gave me 20 free pop with 0 unhappiness attached. It gave me 33% culture in every city for no maintenance and if you have that 3rd tier tourism policy in freedom you just got a ton of tourism. You can't build 20 broadcast towers on a high difficulty level without gimping something else.
    Colossus- 21
    Cristo Redentor- 17
    Eiffel Tower- 21
    Forbidden Palace- 22
    Globe Theater- 20
    Great Firewall- 17
    Great Library- 22
    Great Lighthouse- 20
    Great Mosque of D'jenne- 20
    Great Wall- 17
    Hagia Sophia- 20
    Hanging Gardens- 21
    Himeji Castle- 20
    Hubble Space Telescope- 22
    Kremlin- 20
    Leaning Tower- 22
    Louvre- 20
    Machu Picchu- 20
    Mausoleum of Halicarnassus- 21
    Neuschwanstein- 20
    Notre Dame- 21
    Oracle- 23
    Parthenon- 20
    Pentagon- 3
    Petra- 22
    Porcelain Tower- 21
    Prora- 20
    Pyramids- 18 = 21 - 3 If you are able to construct the pyramids, you already went liberty and got the faster workers in the first place. This is overkill on something that isn't that important anyway.
    Red Fort- 17
    Sistine Chapel-20
    Statue Of Liberty- 21
    Statue of Zeus- 17
    Stonehenge- 19
    Sydney Opera House- 17
    Taj Mahal- 20
    Temple of Artemis- 21
    Terracotta Army- 11


    edit to get the previous results in. I wasn't fast enough.
     
  17. sam44hill

    sam44hill Always go for the Kill

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    Alhambra-21
    Big Ben- 17
    Borobudur- 21
    Brandenburg Gate-21
    Broadway- 20
    Chichen Itza- 20
    CN Tower- 9
    Colossus- 21
    Cristo Redentor- 17
    Eiffel Tower- 21
    Forbidden Palace- 22
    Globe Theater- 20
    Great Firewall- 17
    Great Library- 22
    Great Lighthouse- 20
    Great Mosque of D'jenne- 20
    Great Wall- 17
    Hagia Sophia- 20
    Hanging Gardens- 21
    Himeji Castle- 20
    Hubble Space Telescope- 22
    Kremlin- 20
    Leaning Tower- 22
    Louvre- 20
    Machu Picchu- 20
    Mausoleum of Halicarnassus- 21
    Neuschwanstein- 20
    Notre Dame- 21
    Oracle- 23
    Parthenon- 20
    Pentagon- 3
    Petra- 22
    Porcelain Tower- 21
    Prora- 20
    Pyramids- 18
    Red Fort- 14
    Sistine Chapel-20
    Statue Of Liberty- 21
    Statue of Zeus- 17
    Stonehenge- 19
    Sydney Opera House- 17
    Taj Mahal- 20
    Temple of Artemis- 21
    Terracotta Army- 11


    Gate- I'm all about a few, really excellent units with tons of promos. It's like an extra military academy

    Fort- Defensive buildings? If I'm fighting in my territory I'm doing something very, very wrong...hehe, "Red" get it?
     
  18. Fredgerd

    Fredgerd Warlord

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    Big Ben- 17
    Borobudur- 21
    Brandenburg Gate-21
    Broadway- 20
    Chichen Itza- 20
    CN Tower- 9
    Colossus- 21
    Cristo Redentor- 17
    Eiffel Tower- 21
    Forbidden Palace- 23
    Globe Theater- 20
    Great Firewall- 17
    Great Library- 22
    Great Lighthouse- 20
    Great Mosque of D'jenne- 20
    Great Wall- 17
    Hagia Sophia- 20
    Hanging Gardens- 21
    Himeji Castle- 20
    Hubble Space Telescope- 22
    Kremlin- 20
    Leaning Tower- 22
    Louvre- 20
    Machu Picchu- 20
    Mausoleum of Halicarnassus- 21
    Neuschwanstein- 20
    Notre Dame- 21
    Oracle- 23
    Parthenon- 20
    Pentagon- 0
    Petra- 22
    Porcelain Tower- 21
    Prora- 20
    Pyramids- 18
    Red Fort- 14
    Sistine Chapel-20
    Statue Of Liberty- 21
    Statue of Zeus- 17
    Stonehenge- 19
    Sydney Opera House- 17
    Taj Mahal- 20
    Temple of Artemis- 21
    Terracotta Army- 11

    I have to say I'm surprised to see so little support for the Forbidden Palace. -10% Unhappiness in every unoccupied city and 2 extra Delegates. Even if I'm not doing diplomatic victory I usually consider this a core wonder. For cultural and scientific, control of the world council early is key to generating enough tourism/science and the right great people. I'll ignore it sometimes for domination if I don't plan on Razing most of what I conquer. That said, its still amazing for ICS/REX strategies. And the 2 Delegates are made that much more powerful by the fact that the AI has no ability to think intelligently about diplomacy. The game theory elements of that part of the game simply elude it entirely. 2 extra Delegates = Guaranteed host for the first few sessions.

    And ya, lets just finish the Pentagon off here.
     
  19. redwings1340

    redwings1340 Emperor

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    After your vote, the forbidden palace is tied for the lead and hasn't been downvoted yet. I'd have to say that's some decent amount of support for it.

    I don't know if I would call it the best wonder, but it's certainly up there. I've just had other things I've wanted to upvote so far. In the beginning I'm trying to make things interesting by upvoting wonders that I think are underrated, and downvoting either the horrible or overrated ones to try and prompt discussion.

    I'm still not fully convinced about the Pentagon or the CN tower getting all the flak those wonders are getting. Sure, they aren't great in themselves, but you don't lose very much by building them either. In my Poland game, I had a great engineer doing nothing near the end of the game. Should I give one of my cities +4 production with a landmark (which is near useless end game), or should I use my engineer on the CN tower? Even if the benefit isn't huge, I'm giving up almost nothing by building this, so why not get free broadcast towers in all my cities? Seems like a wonder worth building to me.
     
  20. NoOneImportant

    NoOneImportant Warlord

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    I don't think so. It's useless for CV (you should have built Broadcast Towers a long time ago), SV (you're better off constructing SS parts/ISS/turing hammers into beakers), diplo (turn hammers into beakers) or domination (the game should have been officially won before getting Telecommunications, which is in the "peaceful" tech branch, and if not you'd better build more units). Something that doesn't bring you closer to victory in any way is just bad.
    I don't see why I should downvote something that might actually come in handy just because it's not as easy to construct as some junk "wonder" (that's what it feels like) that won't ever help me.
     

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