Wonder Elimination Thread

Discussion in 'Civ5 - General Discussions' started by MantaRevan, Oct 12, 2013.

  1. Jamesson

    Jamesson Chieftain

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    Alhambra- 23
    Big Ben- 22
    Borobudur-18
    Brandenburg Gate-17
    Broadway- 21
    Chichen Itza- 23
    Colossus- 22
    Eiffel Tower- 25 Just an all around great wonder
    Forbidden Palace- 26
    Globe Theater- 20
    Great Firewall- 6 Why is this still here?
    Great Library- 25
    Great Lighthouse- 14
    Great Mosque of D'jenne- 14
    Great Wall- 11
    Hagia Sophia- 20
    Hanging Gardens- 24
    Himeji Castle -14
    Hubble Space Telescope- 23
    Leaning Tower of Pisa- 26
    Louvre- 21 -
    Machu Picchu- 21
    Mausoleum of Halicarnassus- 22
    Neuschwanstein- 22
    Notre Dame- 17
    Oracle- 24
    Petra- 22
    Porcelain Tower- 21
    Prora- 21
    Pyramids- 20
    Sistine Chapel- 25
    Statue Of Liberty- 23
    Stonehenge- 22
    Sydney Opera House- 18
    Temple of Artemis - 21
     
  2. bbbt

    bbbt Deity

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    Alhambra- 23
    Big Ben- 22
    Borobudur-18
    Brandenburg Gate-17
    Broadway- 21
    Chichen Itza- 23
    Colossus- 22
    Eiffel Tower- 25
    Forbidden Palace- 26
    Globe Theater- 20
    Great Firewall- 3 I'll jump on this bandwagon. Maybe because I'm usually winning the culture war, but I've never built it, even with a spare GE.
    Great Library- 25
    Great Lighthouse- 14
    Great Mosque of D'jenne- 14
    Great Wall- 11
    Hagia Sophia- 20
    Hanging Gardens- 25 basically 3 free specialists plus a garden before the garden can be built
    Himeji Castle -14
    Hubble Space Telescope- 23
    Leaning Tower of Pisa- 26
    Louvre- 21 -
    Machu Picchu- 21
    Mausoleum of Halicarnassus- 22
    Neuschwanstein- 22
    Notre Dame- 17
    Oracle- 24
    Petra- 22
    Porcelain Tower- 21
    Prora- 21
    Pyramids- 20
    Sistine Chapel- 25
    Statue Of Liberty- 23
    Stonehenge- 22
    Sydney Opera House- 18
    Temple of Artemis - 21
     
  3. JimBobV

    JimBobV Warlord

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    Alhambra- 23
    Big Ben- 22
    Borobudur-18
    Brandenburg Gate-17
    Broadway- 21
    Chichen Itza- 23
    Colossus- 22
    Eiffel Tower- 25
    Forbidden Palace- 26
    Globe Theater- 20
    Great Firewall- 3
    Great Library- 25
    Great Lighthouse- 14
    Great Mosque of D'jenne- 14
    Great Wall- 8 Wasn't already that great to begin with, and then it can become obsolete later in the game?
    Hagia Sophia- 20
    Hanging Gardens- 25
    Himeji Castle -14
    Hubble Space Telescope- 23
    Leaning Tower of Pisa- 27 An extra great person of your choice, and a nice boost to GP. What more is there to ask for.
    Louvre- 21 -
    Machu Picchu- 21
    Mausoleum of Halicarnassus- 22
    Neuschwanstein- 22
    Notre Dame- 17
    Oracle- 24
    Petra- 22
    Porcelain Tower- 21
    Prora- 21
    Pyramids- 20
    Sistine Chapel- 25
    Statue Of Liberty- 23
    Stonehenge- 22
    Sydney Opera House- 18
    Temple of Artemis - 21
     
  4. VicRatlhead5199

    VicRatlhead5199 King

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    Michigan
    Alhambra- 23
    Big Ben- 22
    Borobudur-18
    Brandenburg Gate-17
    Broadway- 21
    Chichen Itza- 23
    Colossus- 22
    Eiffel Tower- 25
    Forbidden Palace- 26
    Globe Theater- 20
    Great Firewall- 0 killin' it. It's nearly useless. At this stage in the game most spies are either diplomats or working CSs.
    Great Library- 25
    Great Lighthouse- 14
    Great Mosque of D'jenne- 14
    Great Wall- 8
    Hagia Sophia- 20
    Hanging Gardens- 25
    Himeji Castle -14
    Hubble Space Telescope- 23
    Leaning Tower of Pisa- 27
    Louvre- 21 -
    Machu Picchu- 21
    Mausoleum of Halicarnassus- 22
    Neuschwanstein- 22
    Notre Dame- 17
    Oracle- 24
    Petra- 22
    Porcelain Tower- 21
    Prora- 22 really nice happiness boost for domination and it tends to be less competitive since Autocracy tends to be less popular than order or freedom among the AIs.
    Pyramids- 20
    Sistine Chapel- 25
    Statue Of Liberty- 23
    Stonehenge- 22
    Sydney Opera House- 18
    Temple of Artemis - 21
     
  5. redwings1340

    redwings1340 Emperor

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    Alhambra- 23
    Big Ben- 22
    Borobudur-18
    Brandenburg Gate-17
    Broadway- 21
    Chichen Itza- 23
    Colossus- 22
    Eiffel Tower- 25
    Forbidden Palace- 26
    Globe Theater- 20
    Great Library- 25
    Great Lighthouse- 14
    Great Mosque of D'jenne- 14
    Great Wall- 5 Probably useful on multiplayer or deity (though I've never gotten it before), but it costs a lot of hammers, and I think it's more efficient to just have a small ranged army instead of this thing. It can make aggressive conquests almost impossible though.
    Hagia Sophia- 20
    Hanging Gardens- 25
    Himeji Castle -14
    Hubble Space Telescope- 23
    Leaning Tower of Pisa- 27
    Louvre- 21 -
    Machu Picchu- 21
    Mausoleum of Halicarnassus- 22
    Neuschwanstein- 22
    Notre Dame- 17
    Oracle- 24
    Petra- 22
    Porcelain Tower- 22 This was probably indirectly nerfed in BNW with the research agreement change, but it's still a really nice wonder. Anything boosting science is awesome.
    Prora- 22
    Pyramids- 20
    Sistine Chapel- 25
    Statue Of Liberty- 23
    Stonehenge- 22
    Sydney Opera House- 18
    Temple of Artemis - 21
     
  6. DeathwatchBob

    DeathwatchBob Chieftain

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    Alhambra- 23
    Big Ben- 23
    Borobudur-18
    Brandenburg Gate-17
    Broadway- 21
    Chichen Itza- 23
    Colossus- 22
    Eiffel Tower- 25
    Forbidden Palace- 26
    Globe Theater- 20
    Great Library- 25
    Great Lighthouse- 14
    Great Mosque of D'jenne- 14
    Great Wall- 2
    Hagia Sophia- 20
    Hanging Gardens- 25
    Himeji Castle -14
    Hubble Space Telescope- 23
    Leaning Tower of Pisa- 27
    Louvre- 21
    Machu Picchu- 21
    Mausoleum of Halicarnassus- 22
    Neuschwanstein- 22
    Notre Dame- 17
    Oracle- 24
    Petra- 22
    Porcelain Tower- 22
    Prora- 22
    Pyramids- 20
    Sistine Chapel- 25
    Statue Of Liberty- 23
    Stonehenge- 22
    Sydney Opera House- 18
    Temple of Artemis - 21

    Big Ben comes online just about when you are getting a large enough gpt to be buying buildings/units on a regular basis.

    The Great Wall is a bit of a waste of time. Building units is a much better defense (and they can be used for other things as well).
     
  7. sendos

    sendos Immortal

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    Location:
    Melbourne, Australia
    Alhambra- 23
    Big Ben- 23
    Borobudur-18
    Brandenburg Gate-17
    Broadway- 21
    Chichen Itza- 23
    Colossus- 22
    Eiffel Tower- 25
    Forbidden Palace- 26
    Globe Theater- 20
    Great Library- 22 It's overrated. I have finally broken out of the newbish trend to rush to this wonder.
    Great Lighthouse- 14
    Great Mosque of D'jenne- 14
    Great Wall- 3 My +1 vote here may be a waste but don't forget about its immense benefits in MP. For pros, this is a must have wonder. It is also very good if you fall behind in tech later on as it only expires once you get artilleries, not when other civs get it.
    Hagia Sophia- 20
    Hanging Gardens- 25
    Himeji Castle -14
    Hubble Space Telescope- 23
    Leaning Tower of Pisa- 27
    Louvre- 21
    Machu Picchu- 21
    Mausoleum of Halicarnassus- 22
    Neuschwanstein- 22
    Notre Dame- 17
    Oracle- 24
    Petra- 22
    Porcelain Tower- 22
    Prora- 22
    Pyramids- 20
    Sistine Chapel- 25
    Statue Of Liberty- 23
    Stonehenge- 22
    Sydney Opera House- 18
    Temple of Artemis - 21
     
  8. jlim201

    jlim201 King

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    Location:
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    Alhambra- 24- Late game with some civs, you can get logistics when you build a unit.
    Big Ben- 23
    Borobudur-18
    Brandenburg Gate-17
    Broadway- 21
    Chichen Itza- 23
    Colossus- 22
    Eiffel Tower- 25
    Forbidden Palace- 26
    Globe Theater- 20
    Great Library- 22
    Great Lighthouse- 14
    Great Mosque of D'jenne- 14
    Great Wall- 3
    Hagia Sophia- 20
    Hanging Gardens- 25
    Himeji Castle -14
    Hubble Space Telescope- 23
    Leaning Tower of Pisa- 27
    Louvre- 21
    Machu Picchu- 21
    Mausoleum of Halicarnassus- 22
    Neuschwanstein- 22
    Notre Dame- 17
    Oracle- 24
    Petra- 22
    Porcelain Tower- 22
    Prora- 22
    Pyramids- 17- 2 workers will usually give you severe debt at this point of the game.
    Sistine Chapel- 25
    Statue Of Liberty- 23
    Stonehenge- 22
    Sydney Opera House- 18
    Temple of Artemis - 21
     
  9. MantaRevan

    MantaRevan Emperor

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    Alhambra- 21
    The worst wonder is the one you never build. And on levels above King Alhambra is nearly impossible to build. The AI beelines this wonder ridiculously, it's like every leader in the game has a hard-on for this thing.

    Big Ben- 23
    Borobudur-18
    Brandenburg Gate-17
    Broadway- 21
    Chichen Itza- 23
    Colossus- 22
    Eiffel Tower- 25
    Forbidden Palace- 26
    Globe Theater- 20
    Great Library- 22
    Great Lighthouse- 14
    Great Mosque of D'jenne- 14
    Great Wall- 3
    Hagia Sophia- 20
    Hanging Gardens- 25
    Himeji Castle -14
    Hubble Space Telescope- 23
    Leaning Tower of Pisa- 27
    Louvre- 21
    Machu Picchu- 21
    Mausoleum of Halicarnassus- 22
    Neuschwanstein- 22
    Notre Dame- 18
    Notre Dame is great because it helps players no matter what strategy they pursue. Even if you don't build it, you'll probably be taking it sooner or later.

    Oracle- 24
    Petra- 22
    Porcelain Tower- 22
    Prora- 22
    Pyramids- 17
    Sistine Chapel- 25
    Statue Of Liberty- 23
    Stonehenge- 22
    Sydney Opera House- 18
    Temple of Artemis - 21
     
  10. TreYs

    TreYs Chieftain

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    Alhambra- 21
    Big Ben- 23
    Borobudur-18
    Brandenburg Gate-17
    Broadway- 21
    Chichen Itza- 23
    Colossus- 22
    Eiffel Tower- 25
    Forbidden Palace- 26
    Globe Theater- 20
    Great Library- 22
    Great Lighthouse- 14
    Great Mosque of D'jenne- 14
    Great Wall- 0 Sure it has its benefits in MP, but keep in mind that most of us here likely play SP. Not only does it seldom see benefit in SP (it's a defensive building), but much like the Red Fort, when an AI gets this, they become very difficult to eliminate in the early game. And once it does become obsolete, the AI already has artillery, yet another annoying thing to deal with when on the offense.
    Hagia Sophia- 20
    Hanging Gardens- 25
    Himeji Castle -14
    Hubble Space Telescope- 23
    Leaning Tower of Pisa- 28 I try to pursue this wonder whenever possible. The GP bonus is useful, and having a free GE is nice as it almost guarantees the next wonder I wish to get.
    Louvre- 21
    Machu Picchu- 21
    Mausoleum of Halicarnassus- 22
    Neuschwanstein- 22
    Notre Dame- 18
    Oracle- 24
    Petra- 22
    Porcelain Tower- 22
    Prora- 22
    Pyramids- 17
    Sistine Chapel- 25
    Statue Of Liberty- 23
    Stonehenge- 22
    Sydney Opera House- 18
    Temple of Artemis - 21
     
  11. redwings1340

    redwings1340 Emperor

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    Wait, what? You mean if you purposefully delay artillery to the very last minute, this thing can slow down enemy tanks? That's kind of ridiculous.

    "General, this wall, it's stopping us from going forward. There's no dynamite in these outlying villages anywhere! I don't know how to get rid of it! These crossbowmen are just moving through this area so much faster than we are!"
     
  12. TreYs

    TreYs Chieftain

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    *cough*spearman beats tank*cough*
     
  13. meowschwitz

    meowschwitz Warlord

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    Location:
    NY
    Alhambra- 21
    Big Ben- 23
    Borobudur-18
    Brandenburg Gate-17
    Broadway- 21
    Chichen Itza- 23
    Colossus- 22
    Eiffel Tower- 25
    Forbidden Palace- 26
    Globe Theater- 20
    Great Library- 22
    Great Lighthouse- 14
    Great Mosque of D'jenne- 14
    Hagia Sophia- 20
    Hanging Gardens- 25
    Himeji Castle -11
    Hubble Space Telescope- 23
    Leaning Tower of Pisa- 29
    Louvre- 21
    Machu Picchu- 21
    Mausoleum of Halicarnassus- 22
    Neuschwanstein- 22
    Notre Dame- 18
    Oracle- 24
    Petra- 22
    Porcelain Tower- 22
    Prora- 22
    Pyramids- 17
    Sistine Chapel- 25
    Statue Of Liberty- 23
    Stonehenge- 22
    Sydney Opera House- 18
    Temple of Artemis - 21
     
  14. Furret

    Furret Tryhard

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    Location:
    Rochester, NY
    Alhambra- 21
    Big Ben- 23
    Borobudur-18
    Brandenburg Gate-17
    Broadway- 21
    Chichen Itza- 23
    Colossus- 22
    Eiffel Tower- 25
    Forbidden Palace- 26
    Globe Theater- 20
    Great Library- 22
    Great Lighthouse- 11 I never really feel like the bonuses are all that great unless you're really planning on naval conquest. Seems a bit too situational for me.
    Great Mosque of D'jenne- 14
    Hagia Sophia- 20
    Hanging Gardens- 25
    Himeji Castle -11
    Hubble Space Telescope- 25 I have a sort of personal connection to Hubble since my dad worked on some of the detectors, but I do think the 2 free great scientists are amazing. Add Reliquary and Mausoleum to the mix and you get a solid boost after finishing Hubble.
    Leaning Tower of Pisa- 29
    Louvre- 21
    Machu Picchu- 21
    Mausoleum of Halicarnassus- 22
    Neuschwanstein- 22
    Notre Dame- 18
    Oracle- 24
    Petra- 22
    Porcelain Tower- 22
    Prora- 22
    Pyramids- 17
    Sistine Chapel- 25
    Statue Of Liberty- 23
    Stonehenge- 22
    Sydney Opera House- 18
    Temple of Artemis - 21
     
  15. Autoclave

    Autoclave Warlord

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    Alhambra- 21
    Big Ben- 23
    Borobudur-18
    Brandenburg Gate-17
    Broadway- 21
    Chichen Itza- 23
    Colossus- 22
    Eiffel Tower- 25
    Forbidden Palace- 26
    Globe Theater- 20
    Great Library- 22
    Great Lighthouse- 11
    Great Mosque of D'jenne- 13 If I go piety, i will rarely have the necessary hammers and turns to waste on this one. Besides there are other ways to spread religion.
    Hagia Sophia- 20
    Hanging Gardens- 25
    Himeji Castle -11
    Hubble Space Telescope- 25
    Leaning Tower of Pisa- 29
    Louvre- 21
    Machu Picchu- 21
    Mausoleum of Halicarnassus- 22
    Neuschwanstein- 22
    Notre Dame- 18
    Oracle- 25 Comes at a time when that extra policy will benefit you quite well.
    Petra- 22
    Porcelain Tower- 22
    Prora- 22
    Pyramids- 17
    Sistine Chapel- 25
    Statue Of Liberty- 23
    Stonehenge- 22
    Sydney Opera House- 18
    Temple of Artemis - 21
     
  16. jlim201

    jlim201 King

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    Location:
    Somewhere North of the South Pole
    Alhambra- 21
    Big Ben- 23
    Borobudur-18
    Brandenburg Gate-17
    Broadway- 21
    Chichen Itza- 23
    Colossus- 22
    Eiffel Tower- 25
    Forbidden Palace- 26
    Globe Theater- 17- This is not bad, but its bonuses are quite small.
    Great Library- 22
    Great Lighthouse- 11
    Great Mosque of D'jenne- 13
    Hagia Sophia- 21 If you want a religion, but feel like you will be beat to it, this wonder is a free religion, or enhancer.
    Hanging Gardens- 25
    Himeji Castle -11
    Hubble Space Telescope- 25
    Leaning Tower of Pisa- 29
    Louvre- 21
    Machu Picchu- 21
    Mausoleum of Halicarnassus- 22
    Neuschwanstein- 22
    Notre Dame- 18
    Oracle- 25
    Petra- 22
    Porcelain Tower- 22
    Prora- 22
    Pyramids- 17
    Sistine Chapel- 25
    Statue Of Liberty- 23
    Stonehenge- 22
    Sydney Opera House- 18
    Temple of Artemis - 21
     
  17. Sake

    Sake Warlord

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    Alhambra- 21
    Big Ben- 23
    Borobudur-18
    Brandenburg Gate-17
    Broadway- 21
    Chichen Itza- 23
    Colossus- 22
    Eiffel Tower- 25
    Forbidden Palace- 26
    Globe Theater- 17
    Great Library- 22
    Great Lighthouse- 11
    Great Mosque of D'jenne- 10 - If you really want to spam your religion, why not just build borobudur? It gives 3 free missionaries, so you can use your faith to something else (like pagodas and other faith buildings). With this wonder you would still have to buy missionaries with faith compared to 3 free from borobudur.
    Hagia Sophia- 21
    Hanging Gardens- 25
    Himeji Castle -11
    Hubble Space Telescope- 25
    Leaning Tower of Pisa- 29
    Louvre- 21
    Machu Picchu- 21
    Mausoleum of Halicarnassus- 22
    Neuschwanstein- 22
    Notre Dame- 18
    Oracle- 26 - Finishing your starting tree should be your top priority early on. You usually can get this wonder to finish tradition/liberty and you can use your next policy to your secondary tree. It also comes on same tech with national college, which you're gonna want ASAP anyway, and AI doesn't really prioritize it at all.
    Petra- 22
    Porcelain Tower- 22
    Prora- 22
    Pyramids- 17
    Sistine Chapel- 25
    Statue Of Liberty- 23
    Stonehenge- 22
    Sydney Opera House- 18
    Temple of Artemis - 21
     
  18. Ricard.Bossle

    Ricard.Bossle Chieftain

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    Alhambra- 21
    Big Ben- 23
    Borobudur-18
    Brandenburg Gate-17
    Broadway- 21
    Chichen Itza- 23
    Colossus- 22
    Eiffel Tower- 25
    Forbidden Palace- 26
    Globe Theater- 17
    Great Library- 22
    Great Lighthouse- 11
    Great Mosque of D'jenne - 07- - I just remember this wonder is in the game when a Civ builds and I get the pop-up.
    Hagia Sophia- 21
    Hanging Gardens- 26 - Great boost in the early turns of the game. Love it.
    Himeji Castle -11
    Hubble Space Telescope- 25
    Leaning Tower of Pisa- 29
    Louvre- 21
    Machu Picchu- 21
    Mausoleum of Halicarnassus- 22
    Neuschwanstein- 22
    Notre Dame- 18
    Oracle- 26 -
    Petra- 22
    Porcelain Tower- 22
    Prora- 22
    Pyramids- 17
    Sistine Chapel- 25
    Statue Of Liberty- 23
    Stonehenge- 22
    Sydney Opera House- 18
    Temple of Artemis - 21
     
  19. Jernfrau

    Jernfrau Chieftain

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    Location:
    Norfolk
    Alhambra- 21
    Big Ben- 23
    Borobudur-18
    Brandenburg Gate-17
    Broadway- 21
    Chichen Itza- 23
    Colossus- 22
    Eiffel Tower- 25
    Forbidden Palace- 27 The only wonder that makes me contemplate choosing a soctree's opener and leaving the rest.
    Globe Theater- 17
    Great Library- 22
    Great Lighthouse- 11
    Great Mosque of D'jenne - 07-
    Hagia Sophia- 21
    Hanging Gardens- 26
    Himeji Castle -8 - Meh, defence is not usually somewhere you want to be, and even then better to produce defensive troops than defensive wonders.
    Hubble Space Telescope- 25
    Leaning Tower of Pisa- 29
    Louvre- 21
    Machu Picchu- 21
    Mausoleum of Halicarnassus- 22
    Neuschwanstein- 22
    Notre Dame- 18
    Oracle- 26 -
    Petra- 22
    Porcelain Tower- 22
    Prora- 22
    Pyramids- 17
    Sistine Chapel- 25
    Statue Of Liberty- 23
    Stonehenge- 22
    Sydney Opera House- 18
    Temple of Artemis - 21
     
  20. Silverman6083

    Silverman6083 History-Lover

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    Umm I beg to differ. MURICA Manifest Destiny+Agnor Wat= cheapest tiles ever INFI EXPAND. Although I think Agnor Wat should have a better effect considering the history. Also Gl is not that good 1 free tech is ok but kills your production ESPECIALLY when you lose on higher difficulties which is almost always unless you really focus on it.
     

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