Words

[Johan511]

Do you listen to anybody? You do not; you listen only to yourself. When you leave the sense of hearing alone, all that is there is the vibration of the sound -- the words repeat themselves inside of you, as in an echo chamber. This sense is functioning in just the same way with you, except that you think the words you are hearing come from outside of you. Get this straight: You can never hear one word from anyone else, no matter how intimately you think you are in relationship with that person; you hear only your own translations, always. They are all your words you are hearing. All that the other person's words can possibly be to you is a noise, a vibration picked up by the ear-drum and transferred to the nerves which run to the brain. You are translating those vibrations all the time, trying to understand, because you want to get something out of what you are hearing. That is all right for a relationship with someone on the level of "Here is some money; give me a half kilo of carrots" -- but that is the limit of your relationship, of your communication, with anybody.

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[drake]

You're a strange cat johan

If one never heard words, one cannot have their own words. One would never speak words unless they were taught how to speak through example. I think the words in your head are getting to you. By the way, what are they saying now?

Just where do you come up with this crap?

 

[Johan511]

It's always nice to see you reading my posts Drake

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[drake]

I read just about every topic, unless it is about something I have absolutely no interest in.

Hey, atleast you gave me something to think about for a few minutes this morning.......

Why don't you share with everyone your typical day johan?

 

[BlueMonday]

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That why I love the guy; he's a nutcase, just like me.

Have you ever been to an opera Johan? I ask becuase it really makes the concept of words stretch. I mean, you sit there, and you hear the music and you hear the people singing, but yet you don't understand the sounds themselves. So you're listening to words, but yet you do not hear the words, you hear only the sound they make. And somehow, the meaning of those words trancends the language barrier, and the sound of the words themselves take on an implied meaning.

Then I went to an opera in English, man did it suck donkey balls. It sucked becuase you stopped listening to the sound of the words and instead you listened to the meaning of the words. IT RUINED THE WHOLE EXPERIENCE!

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[Johan511]

Drake I spend everyday BEING LIFE. All day long. Blue I must say that the only reason that you like one particular sound better than another - Say Tool over a chorus of screaming cats - is because you have acquired a taste for one over another during your time here.
And I went to an Opera at FSU just awhile back -- I found it tiring-- So did my son, but Neela enjoyed it very much. So I suppose I enjoyed it through her.

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[Brad]

Johan511 Sounds ie music over cats... isn't just an aquired taste... somtimes the sounds can hurt you physicall. Avoiding pain isn't an aquired taste... well maybe... if you look at it this way: pain is an aquired taste, if you put your hand in a blender (the burner thing is cliche) you learn not to do it cause it hurts. But I don't look at it that way. If it hurts, it hurts, that ain't 'aquired' it's just the way it is.
I think I just had an argument with myself...

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[Johan511]

I'm sorry brad, but sometimes you just crack me up. I don't think you had any idea the meaning of what you just said...
It's all in good fun though

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[Magnus]

One of the Beat Generation writers (I cannot recall exactly who) wrote something that astounded me. He said that all language limits thinking; because when you learn a language, you must then be required to think in that language, for example English has only 26 letters and a several thousand words, but that is it! All thought must now be routed through the limited apparatus of the structure of speech.

For example, listen to a song that you love, you know how sometimes it evokes feelings inside you, indescribable feelings and emotional responses, you cannot accurately depict what it is because words cannot describe it, except to make pathetic stabs and say it was 'exhilirating' or say 'it was like floating in the stars' or something - its like trying to describe what its like to be in love, you can write volumes and volumes, on the subject of just what one second of being in the moment of love is like, and still know you havent even come close to stating the true immensity of that flicker.

Language has essentially not changed in thousands of years and we are still stumbling a long with it. I know it is all we have to communicate, but why can't we conceive something better? Artists have tried to express themselves non-verbally but the concept always reaches each person differently based upon their own observations of life. When I am moved by music, I am sure the feelings I am getting are much different than the creator of the song had when he fashioned it. If only somehow verbal communication can have the effect of non-verbal by eliminating its structure but how?

 

[Johan511]

Yes but there is a word, called coining -- so if you get one of those feelings -- make up (coin) a word and set your mark here.... English is limited, YeS!, but it is also flexible.
It is the best language for expansion and history proves such a statement.

PS. about all the edits - Spell check can pick up things in English but it can't help me communicate EXCATLY what I want to say to you -- this comes from experience in the Lanuage. -- You can work the wording of english like you would compose a song -- and this is why I edit many times -- To increase the chances that you will understand what I am trying to tell you with the minium amount of words.

complex uh ....*NOT really though*
Love Ya's

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[This message has been edited by Johan511 (edited July 05, 2001).]