World Map
- Thread starter Houman
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Spartan117
Immortal
maybe a european map, or of some particular area of the world?
possibly smaller arees with less civs to increase speed.
possibly smaller arees with less civs to increase speed.
Drogear
Prince
Area specific maps with no more than Large size would be v nice.
FireTiger
Chieftain
Area specific maps would also reduce the problem of Warlords introducing 7? new civs. 24 civs would create an insane amount of lag to have on one map with the realism mod. You might also want to have the maps set in certain eras. (Starting in different ages.)
USA Map:
English, French, Spanish, American?
Colonial Times
Large
Central/South America Map:
Aztecs, Incas, Spanish, French, English
Colonial Times
Large
Africa Map:
Mali, Egypt, Zulu, Cartheganian
Ancient Era
Large
Middle East Centered Map
Arab, Ottoman, Persian, Egyptian?
Ancient Era
Regular
European Map
Celts, Romans, Greeks, Vikings
Classical Era
Regular
European Map 2
English, French, German, Spain, Vikings?
Medieval Era
Regular
Asia Map
China, Mongols, Japan, Indian, Korean
Ancient Era
Large
USA Map:
English, French, Spanish, American?
Colonial Times
Large
Central/South America Map:
Aztecs, Incas, Spanish, French, English
Colonial Times
Large
Africa Map:
Mali, Egypt, Zulu, Cartheganian
Ancient Era
Large
Middle East Centered Map
Arab, Ottoman, Persian, Egyptian?
Ancient Era
Regular
European Map
Celts, Romans, Greeks, Vikings
Classical Era
Regular
European Map 2
English, French, German, Spain, Vikings?
Medieval Era
Regular
Asia Map
China, Mongols, Japan, Indian, Korean
Ancient Era
Large
Anaztazioch
Hit in the head too much
Where's the cofee in Brazill ?
Hian the Frog
TR Designer and XML
Hi all,
Yes Anaztazioch is right.
Some ressources are missing or are not on the right place on TR World Map:
- coffee in Brazil and Ethiopia. Perhaps, in southern part of Arabic Peninsula.
- Incredible but there is no Coal in Germany, neither in Poland. Two great producers of Europe.
- There is a wheat in France (the south one) that is useless. No wheat here in my country but wine (again ! we are always thirsty if France
)
- Before discovering America, the great producer of sugar in Europe was the island of Creta. This very precious ressource (in middle age) makes Creta a contested Island (Venezia, Egypt, Ottoman,...)
- Sweden also produce great amount of Copper. Mines were in the province near the Norvegian frontiers and Oslo.
- Iceland is too small. The moutain is useless. I would rather saw a tundra hill with a sheep. It's the main ressource of this island with Wales.
- You should add a Wheat or two in eastern germany, poland, west russia. These lands always were and still are great producer.
- Egypt: It's nearly impossible to play Egypt. First, Nubia is too close (but it's an other problem...) Second, where are ressources such as Wheat, Horses ?
Nile valley was very rich. You should also add an elephant, some were used as "mounted-shock" troop....
- Egypt again: Oil in Egypt? That's new or i had to study my geography again...
- Mali: You should add an other Game in the lands south of Niger River. These lands were full of game....
- Caribean Islands: Because there is no Jamaica island, perhaps adding an Hemp in Cuba could be fun. Also all small islands of western caribean are sugar producer.
- Where are the Potatoes of the Incan ? There are all in Amazonia ! Strange... I would add one or two in what is todays Peru, Equador or Bolivia...
- Look at a map and find the Sultanat of Bunei. It's a very small country but very very rich of Oil. Its Sultan is one the richest man on Earth... Brunei is on Celebes Island if i'm right.
Waiting for comments, guys...
The Frog.
Yes Anaztazioch is right.
Some ressources are missing or are not on the right place on TR World Map:
- coffee in Brazil and Ethiopia. Perhaps, in southern part of Arabic Peninsula.
- Incredible but there is no Coal in Germany, neither in Poland. Two great producers of Europe.
- There is a wheat in France (the south one) that is useless. No wheat here in my country but wine (again ! we are always thirsty if France
)- Before discovering America, the great producer of sugar in Europe was the island of Creta. This very precious ressource (in middle age) makes Creta a contested Island (Venezia, Egypt, Ottoman,...)
- Sweden also produce great amount of Copper. Mines were in the province near the Norvegian frontiers and Oslo.
- Iceland is too small. The moutain is useless. I would rather saw a tundra hill with a sheep. It's the main ressource of this island with Wales.
- You should add a Wheat or two in eastern germany, poland, west russia. These lands always were and still are great producer.
- Egypt: It's nearly impossible to play Egypt. First, Nubia is too close (but it's an other problem...) Second, where are ressources such as Wheat, Horses ?
Nile valley was very rich. You should also add an elephant, some were used as "mounted-shock" troop....
- Egypt again: Oil in Egypt? That's new or i had to study my geography again...
- Mali: You should add an other Game in the lands south of Niger River. These lands were full of game....
- Caribean Islands: Because there is no Jamaica island, perhaps adding an Hemp in Cuba could be fun.
Also all small islands of western caribean are sugar producer.- Where are the Potatoes of the Incan ? There are all in Amazonia ! Strange... I would add one or two in what is todays Peru, Equador or Bolivia...
- Look at a map and find the Sultanat of Bunei. It's a very small country but very very rich of Oil. Its Sultan is one the richest man on Earth... Brunei is on Celebes Island if i'm right.
Waiting for comments, guys...
The Frog.
strategyonly
C2C Supreme Commander
If anyone is tired of the same ole maps (i know i get tired of the same map each and everytime), thats why i made a CandyLand map just for Realism, d/l here:
http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=2707,
it has the new resourses just for Realism. And if anyone needs a map of almost anything, let me know.
http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=2707,
it has the new resourses just for Realism. And if anyone needs a map of almost anything, let me know.
Anaztazioch
Hit in the head too much
@ Hian
Yes your right to most of 'em. But we got Oil in Poland !!! We have large sources, but they areen't clea, and refining "ore"oil and than cleaning it to recive pure oil will cost more than selling it, thats why we dont "dig" it.
Also what about tabacco, or its a hemp.
But the resources on World Map are made more for ballance than reality.
Like Japan Never had big sources of iron. It was enought for weapon (as you can make Hypaspist whith no resources, means you dont have good sources, but enought to make some swords.
Yes your right to most of 'em. But we got Oil in Poland !!! We have large sources, but they areen't clea, and refining "ore"oil and than cleaning it to recive pure oil will cost more than selling it, thats why we dont "dig" it.
Also what about tabacco, or its a hemp.
But the resources on World Map are made more for ballance than reality.
Like Japan Never had big sources of iron. It was enought for weapon (as you can make Hypaspist whith no resources, means you dont have good sources, but enought to make some swords.
Hian the Frog
TR Designer and XML
Anaztazioch said:
Hi man,
Yes i know about Polish oil. Don't are they in the north or near the Baltic sea ? I don't remember.
Hemp: if i traduct in french, it sould also be a drug... a very common one, indeed
It's a kind of grass. You can use some of them as clothes, and others like a drug (you can smoke it for exemple ) ... Have a look, traduct it in Polish....
Right, many ressources are here for balance. But, why not trying to be as close as possible to the reality ? It's TOTAL REALISM, no ?
In fact, my goal was to give some civs a better starting position. My country (France) always start quickly and either Roman, either Spanish suffer from this. Perhaps some ai had to be also changed....
The Frog.
Ankenaton
"The Heretic"
@ Definitely agree with you, there should be coffee in Ethiopia as this is where the plant was first cultivated. In fact the Auxumite Empire had a number of shock troops who went into battle literally wired on coffee beans. They would eat grinded coffee beans straight up. The resulting caffeine rush was supposedly similar to the rush that is felt from ingesting the leaves from the Khat plants found in East-Central and North East Africa. Just imagine having about five 1liter jugs of espresso! 
I would feel like the Terminator. 
Coffee was also grown in Puerto Rico; sugar cane was big in all of the big to medium sized islands (Cuba, Hispaniola (Haiti, Dominican Republic), and Jamaica). Florida was also a major sugar cane producer for the Spanish.
As for oil in Egypt I do not think they have found significant deposits as of yet; but up until 20-30 years ago no one thought there were significant deposits in the Sudan either. Oil is the main impetus behind the genocidal campaigns that went on in the southern Sudan and is now going on in Darfur. The most significant deposits are found in the African (Christian) south and not in the Arab (Muslim) north.
Hemp, yes it has sooooo many uses.....hmmmm.....making clothing, textiles, and a very popular recreational usage....
I would feel like the Terminator. Coffee was also grown in Puerto Rico; sugar cane was big in all of the big to medium sized islands (Cuba, Hispaniola (Haiti, Dominican Republic), and Jamaica). Florida was also a major sugar cane producer for the Spanish.
As for oil in Egypt I do not think they have found significant deposits as of yet; but up until 20-30 years ago no one thought there were significant deposits in the Sudan either. Oil is the main impetus behind the genocidal campaigns that went on in the southern Sudan and is now going on in Darfur. The most significant deposits are found in the African (Christian) south and not in the Arab (Muslim) north.
Hemp, yes it has sooooo many uses.....hmmmm.....making clothing, textiles, and a very popular recreational usage....
Hian the Frog
TR Designer and XML
Ankenaton said:
Right about Darfur. It's very ugly what happen in this part of the world... And nobody seem to be interested by this awesome genocidal campaign. It's one of the many problems of Africa: many ressources (not always exploited), ethnical hate (Rwanda, Zaïre,...), religious strife (Nigeria, Ivory Coast,..), corruption (nearly all the countries), civil wars (Ivory coast, liberia, Equatorial guinea,...) and the list could continue.....
Ankenaton said:Hemp, yes it has sooooo many uses.....hmmmm.....making clothing, textiles, and a very popular recreational usage....
How do you say ? "recreational usage" ....
Good sum-up The Frog.
Anaztazioch
Hit in the head too much
Most of our Oil is near Baltic sea. We had one small source refined allready and used. Wasnt a good buisness. We have some in south west part far from German border. And one near the Ukraine border. The pain is that the earth shape and source placing is made this way, so if we start digging the oil pressure will burst most of the oil into our border. And we have like 20% of that source in our borders, so diplomacy is set to some cheeper fuel for us, or so I've heared.
End yes France has best start in world map. Not only that, they are nOOb spawn killers. Starts a war in 40th turn, when u barelly finished 1 settler 5 warriors 1 barracks and 1 or 2 fishing boats... Freakin hate this. Allways finishes off Germany or Spain. And when im Rome I'm first in line
Hate it.
End yes France has best start in world map. Not only that, they are nOOb spawn killers. Starts a war in 40th turn, when u barelly finished 1 settler 5 warriors 1 barracks and 1 or 2 fishing boats... Freakin hate this. Allways finishes off Germany or Spain. And when im Rome I'm first in line
Hate it.
WarKirby
Arty person
The primary problem with the world map is that it's just too small. In Scotland we have two major cities and several amaller ones, but Scotland on the TR map can only fit one city.
Unfortunately, I don't think there's a processor in the world today fast enough to run a full scale world map at a playable speed.
Bring on optical computers!
WarKirby
Unfortunately, I don't think there's a processor in the world today fast enough to run a full scale world map at a playable speed.
Bring on optical computers!
WarKirby
banknobber
Chieftain
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What about a map that distorts the earth according to poplation density or global historical impact? So Europe would be bigger to accomodate all the major cultures that started off there, as would say Japan, Rome, Athens, but other empires would have a smaller area, reflecting their lesser long-term impact. I realise this could be contentious ground, given the significance of different empires in different times and places, but would solve some of the problems.
Frinstance, I like Spain because I get no hassle from barbs in the early game, and France seems to leave me alone, but I have to attack to get any sort of empire before heading off to the New World...Spain only had a European Empire in the netherlands, and had a pop at England a few times, but didn't really need to dominate the whole region to acheive what it did.
Have you ever seen the physical representation of nerve sensitivity in humans? I can't seem to find a pic of it online, but the lips, hands, and erm genitals were all far larger than the torso of the model, because the body dedicated more nerve 'bandwidth' to these organs. It looked a bit like gollum. I've also seem it done for carbon emissions and population size. This report on the BBC about burgeoning megacities gets close to showing what I am on about.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/spl/hi/world/06/urbanisation/html/urbanisation.stm
Maybe the map should allow this sort of late-game world to develop in Civ...
Frinstance, I like Spain because I get no hassle from barbs in the early game, and France seems to leave me alone, but I have to attack to get any sort of empire before heading off to the New World...Spain only had a European Empire in the netherlands, and had a pop at England a few times, but didn't really need to dominate the whole region to acheive what it did.
Have you ever seen the physical representation of nerve sensitivity in humans? I can't seem to find a pic of it online, but the lips, hands, and erm genitals were all far larger than the torso of the model, because the body dedicated more nerve 'bandwidth' to these organs. It looked a bit like gollum. I've also seem it done for carbon emissions and population size. This report on the BBC about burgeoning megacities gets close to showing what I am on about.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/spl/hi/world/06/urbanisation/html/urbanisation.stm
Maybe the map should allow this sort of late-game world to develop in Civ...
banknobber
Chieftain
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MindProphetX
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Houman,
As I'm sure your aware... Besides the Egyptian pregame contact with the Mali, they also have a starting gold amount of 30 gold... Anyway I thought I would mention it so you wouldn't overlook that when your able to release the patch...
As I'm sure your aware... Besides the Egyptian pregame contact with the Mali, they also have a starting gold amount of 30 gold... Anyway I thought I would mention it so you wouldn't overlook that when your able to release the patch...
jbolton0421
Chieftain
Did the 3 City Start world map go away?
I've installed 2.1 and 2.1.3.
I've installed 2.1 and 2.1.3.
WarKirby
Arty person
Shouldn't Japan have horses? I believe the Takeda clan relied heavily on cavalry, but I had to invade China to get some horses.
WarKirby
WarKirby
MindProphetX
Chieftain
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I noticed that there is still a problem with the world map (specifically Cathage, starting position) that I had mentioned during Beta 1, perhaps overlooked. Nonetheless, here goes again, the initial settler unit square is also occupied by two barbarian units, one of which is a settler and the other a warrior, I figure your team must've forgot to delete them from the map.
