World War Myths debunked

I seem to remember a certain proverb about Poles and Hungarians...
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Here is this proverb (which dates back at least to the 1700s):

Hungarian version: "Lengyel, Magyar - ket jo barat egyutt harcol, s issza borat."

Polish version: "Polak, Węgier - dwa bratanki, i do szabli, i do szklanki. Oba zuchy, oba żwawi."

Polish version translates as:

"Pole and Hungarian - cousins be, good for fight and good for party. Both are valiant, both are lively."

Hungarian version translates as:

"Pole and Hungarian - two good friends, together they battle and drink their wine."

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Some videos on You Tube about this:


Link to video.


Link to video.

This is of course - as any similar story - to some extent a myth.

For example they forgot to mention in these videos, that there were also Polish-Hungarian wars and territorial disputes throughout history.

Just to mention that Transylvania (Prince Rakoczi) participated - as allies of Sweden - in wars against Poland in period 1648-1667 known as "the Deluge":

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transylvania#Principality_of_Transylvania

(...) This golden age and relative independence of Transylvania ended with the reign of George II Rákóczi. The prince, coveting the Polish crown, allied with Sweden and invaded Poland in spite of the Turkish Porte clearly prohibiting any military action. Rákóczi's defeat in Poland, combined with the subsequent invasions of Transylvania by the Turks and their Crimean Tatar allies in 1660, the ensuing loss of territory (most importantly, the loss of the most important Transylvanian stronghold, Oradea) and diminishing manpower led to the complete subordination of Transylvania, which became a powerless vassal of the Ottoman Empire. (...)

Rakoczi also participated in the Treaty of Radnot, which was a planned partition of Poland (which didn't come into being as Poland managed to win the war):

Treaty of Radnot was a treaty signed during the Second Northern War in Radnot in Transylvania (now Iernut in Romania) on 6 December 1656.

[The treaty divided Poland and north-western parts of Lithuania - Samogitia and the Nowogródek Voivodeship - between the signing parties - Domen]

According to the treaty:

- Charles X Gustav of Sweden was to receive Royal Prussia, Kujawy, northern Masovia, Samogitia, Courland and Inflanty
- Bogusław Radziwiłł was to receive the Nowogródek Voivodeship
- Frederick William, Elector of Brandenburg was to receive Greater Poland
- Bohdan Khmelnytsky was to receive Ukraine (territories between Batoh and Novhorod-Siverskyi)
- George II Rákóczi was to receive southern Polish territories, mostly Little Poland (including Kraków)
- [and most of the Grand Duchy of Lithuania was at that time occupied by Russian armies, so they did not divide them in that treaty - Domen]

One of the main results of the treaty was that George II Rákóczi invaded the Commonwealth in January 1657. Due to changed geopolitical situation the treaty was never fully implemented, as the Commonwealth recovered and threw out the invaders.

Rakoczi's invasion was eventually defeated by Polish army in the battles of Magierów (11.07.1657) and Czarny Ostrów (20.07.1657).

But before getting defeated, Rakoczi's army - supported by Zaporozhian Cossacks and Sweden - plundered huge parts of Poland, including Warsaw.

Of course we can claim that those were "Vampires" that invaded, not Hungarians and Romanians (you know, Transylvania, Dracula, Vampires). :)

Anyway:

On March 12, 2007, Hungary's parliament declared March 23 as the Day of Hungarian-Polish Friendship, with 324 votes in favour, no vote against and no abstention.

On March 16, 2007, Polish parliament declared March 23 as the Day of Polish-Hungarian Friendship.
On 12 March 2007, Hungary's parliament declared 23 March "Hungarian-Polish Friendship Day", with 324 votes in favor, none opposed, no abstentions. Four days later, the Polish parliament declared 23 March "Polish-Hungarian Friendship Day" by acclamation.

Friendship Day is celebrated alternately in the two countries, first in Przemyśl, Poland.
 
And together, they got their asses kicked by the Ottoman Empire in the Battle of Varna, which sets the stage of Europa Universalis IV.
 
However, only Hungary fought there as a state - other states sent only smaller or bigger units of reinforcements to support Hungary.
what an anachronistic application of the concept of a "state"
 
Tovarish! Today we can all agree on one thing!

Poland is...
 
I just saw an announcement on the BBC that they'll air a documentary by Niall Ferguson about the Great War soon. :sad:
 
Regarding that Enigma issue again:

I am not an expert on this, but you will surely find something about Polish contribution to cracking Enigma in:

"Poland and the Poles in the Second World War..." by Halik Kochanski, Penguin Books Ltd., 2012.
 
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