World Wonder Elimination Thread

[Siptah]

Alhambra = 19
Apadana = 26 (25+1) not quite honest, because I like new wonders and Persia ;-) but more envoys can lead to quite some bonuses. OP on Prince and below, if you happen to have a good capital.
Big Ben = 30
Bolshoi Theatre = 12
Colosseum = 27
Colossus = 1
Cristo Redentor = 19
Eiffel Tower = 23
Estadio do Maracana = 2
Forbidden City = 28
Great Pyramids = 26
Great Zimbabwe = 24
Hagia Sophia = 14
Mausoleum at Halicarnassus = 22
Oracle = 7
Oxford University = 21
Petra = 7
Potala Palace = 21
Ruhr Valley = 21 (24-3) same as above, often not worth the building cost. Should not go that soon, but should not be in the top 5.
Terracotta Army = 14
Venetian Arsenal= 24

 

[Guandao]

Alhambra = 19
Apadana = 26
Big Ben = 30
Bolshoi Theatre = 12
Colosseum = 27
Colossus = 1
Cristo Redentor = 19
Eiffel Tower = 23
Estadio do Maracana = (2+1)=3 Last show of appreciation for this wonder before it gets eliminated...
Forbidden City = 28
Great Pyramids = 26
Great Zimbabwe = 24
Hagia Sophia = (14-3)=11 It's not essential for winning a Religious victory.
Mausoleum at Halicarnassus = 22
Oracle = 7
Oxford University = 21
Petra = 7
Potala Palace = 21
Ruhr Valley = 21
Terracotta Army = 14
Venetian Arsenal= 24

 

[Orange1861]

Alhambra = 19
Apadana = 26
Big Ben = 30
Bolshoi Theatre = 12
Colosseum = 27
Colossus = 2 (1 + 1) Is not a bad wonder and shouldn't go out yet. I'll try to have them last longer.
Cristo Redentor = 19
Eiffel Tower = 23
Estadio do Maracana = 3
Forbidden City = 28
Great Pyramids = 26
Great Zimbabwe = 24
Hagia Sophia = 11
Mausoleum at Halicarnassus = 22
Oracle = 7
Oxford University = 21
Petra = 7
Potala Palace = 21
Ruhr Valley = 21
Terracotta Army = 11 (14 - 3) Unless it is timed exactly right, it is not very good.
Venetian Arsenal= 24

 

[LethalLeigh]

Alhambra = 19
Apadana = 26
Big Ben = 30
Bolshoi Theatre = 12
Colosseum = 27
Colossus = 0 (2-3) It's ok but not worth the Time and Production - ELIMINATED
Cristo Redentor = 19
Eiffel Tower = 23
Estadio do Maracana = 3
Forbidden City = 28
Great Pyramids = 26
Great Zimbabwe = 24
Hagia Sophia = 11
Mausoleum at Halicarnassus = 23 (22+1) make Great Engineers and Admirals "Great"
Oracle = 7
Oxford University = 21
Petra = 7
Potala Palace = 21
Ruhr Valley = 21
Terracotta Army = 11
Venetian Arsenal= 24

 

[Manifold]

Alhambra = 19
Apadana = 26
Big Ben = 30
Bolshoi Theatre = 12
Colosseum = 27
Cristo Redentor = 19
Eiffel Tower = 23
Estadio do Maracana = 3
Forbidden City = 28
Great Pyramids = 26
Great Zimbabwe = 24
Hagia Sophia = 11
Mausoleum at Halicarnassus = 23
Oracle = 4 (7-3) not that powerful to do not something different
Oxford University = 21
Petra = 7
Potala Palace = 21
Ruhr Valley = 21
Terracotta Army = 12 (11+1) in the right moment it is decisive for the outcome of the war
Venetian Arsenal= 24

 

[CPWimmer]

Alhambra = 19
Apadana = 26
Big Ben = 30
Bolshoi Theatre = 12
Colosseum = 27
Cristo Redentor = 19
Eiffel Tower = 23
Estadio do Maracana = 4 = 3+1 (I wasn't planning on up-voting it today, but this puts it at a 3-way tie for the bottom)
Forbidden City = 28
Great Pyramids = 26
Great Zimbabwe = 24
Hagia Sophia = 11
Mausoleum at Halicarnassus = 23
Oracle = 4
Oxford University = 21
Petra = 4 = 7-3 (I wasn't planning on down-voting it today, but this puts it at a 3-way tie for the bottom)
Potala Palace = 21
Ruhr Valley = 21
Terracotta Army = 12
Venetian Arsenal= 24

The bottom 3 are now each 2 votes away from elimination.

 

[Amrunril]

Petra = 12 (11 + 1) Ruhr Valley is sitting at 23, and this will often give a comparable production boots (plus food and gold) far earlier in the game.

No it doesn't - Petra gives you a fixed +1 production per desert tile which is a maximum of what - 24? More realistically about 8 or 9 though. Ruhr valley can easily push you well over 100 production because it stacks on everything including trade routes, all your factory/encampments boosts, and Petra bonus. I still don't see much value in Petra as it takes so long to build in a city that has mostly desert. I would only ever build this with an engineer and the window is long past by the time I get one.

Perhaps my point was exaggerated, but I think yours is as well. Even considering the mine bonus, a city would need well over 200 production to get 100 from Ruhr Valley. I do think acknowledge that Ruhr Valley will ultimately produce higher production yields than Petra, but I think that Petra's production of food and gold and, more importantly, the fact that that it kicks in two and a half eras earlier, put it ahead.

Alhambra = 19
Apadana = 26
Big Ben = 30
Bolshoi Theatre = 12
Colosseum = 27
Cristo Redentor = 19
Eiffel Tower = 23
Estadio do Maracana = 4
Great Pyramids = 26
Great Zimbabwe = 24
Hagia Sophia = 8 (11 - 3) Comes too late to help the initial spread of religion, and later in the game missionary/apostle spread is limited more by access than by number of charges. Also weakened by the patch that increased religious unit costs in exchange for more default charges (instead of increasing cheaper units' charges by 50%, it now increases more expensive ones' charges by 33%)
Mausoleum at Halicarnassus = 23
Oracle = 4
Oxford University = 21
Petra = 5 (4 + 1) See above
Potala Palace = 21
Ruhr Valley = 21
Terracotta Army = 12
Venetian Arsenal= 24

 

[Eliminator_Sr]

Perhaps my point was exaggerated, but I think yours is as well. Even considering the mine bonus, a city would need well over 200 production to get 100 from Ruhr Valley. I do think acknowledge that Ruhr Valley will ultimately produce higher production yields than Petra, but I think that Petra's production of food and gold and, more importantly, the fact that that it kicks in two and a half eras earlier, put it ahead.

Correct (though not about Petra being more valuable - definitely disagree with that). I just meant that with Ruhr Valley I often get a 100+ cog city but not all of that is from Ruhr Valley itself. Ruhr Valley is extremely useful for space race and you can build it pretty early if you beeline for industrialization.

Alhambra = 19
Apadana = 26
Big Ben = 30
Bolshoi Theatre = 12
Colosseum = 27
Cristo Redentor = 19
Eiffel Tower = 23
Estadio do Maracana = 4 - 3 = 1 (Probably the least significant wonder left given its very late appearance)
Great Pyramids = 26
Great Zimbabwe = 24
Hagia Sophia = 8
Mausoleum at Halicarnassus = 23 + 1 = 24 (I haven't built this yet but it seems potentially very powerful)
Oracle = 4
Oxford University = 21
Petra = 5
Potala Palace = 21
Ruhr Valley = 21
Terracotta Army = 12
Venetian Arsenal= 24

 

[Forster]

Alhambra = 19
Apadana = 26
Big Ben = 30
Bolshoi Theatre = 12
Colosseum = 27 + 1 = 28 Freeing up amenities for other cities is always nice.
Cristo Redentor = 19
Eiffel Tower = 23
Estadio do Maracanã = 1 - 3 = -2 DOA
Great Pyramids = 26
Great Zimbabwe = 24
Hagia Sophia = 8
Mausoleum at Halicarnassus = 24
Oracle = 4
Oxford University = 21
Petra = 5
Potala Palace = 21
Ruhr Valley = 21
Terracotta Army = 12
Venetian Arsenal= 24

 

[joncnunn]

Alhambra = 19
Apadana = 26
Big Ben = 30
Bolshoi Theatre = 12
Colosseum = 28
Cristo Redentor = 19
Eiffel Tower = 23
Forbidden City = 28 This one got dropped prematurely; restoring it.
Great Pyramids = 26
Great Zimbabwe = 24
Hagia Sophia = 8
Mausoleum at Halicarnassus = 24
Oracle = 4 - 3 = 1 Low value to self-build and none at all when AI builds it next to you and you conquer it, so let's remove it sooner rather than later.
Oxford University = 21
Petra = 5 + 1 = 6 While not particularly worthwhile to self-build, is often a good one for the AI to build for you and conquer, so trying to keep them around until the religious ones are gone.
Potala Palace = 21
Ruhr Valley = 21
Terracotta Army = 12
Venetian Arsenal= 24

 

[God of Kings]

Alhambra = 19
Apadana = 26
Big Ben = 30
Bolshoi Theatre = 12
Colosseum = 28
Cristo Redentor = 19
Eiffel Tower = 23
Forbidden City = 28 + 1 = 29 This one is a must-build; one extra wild card slot is extremely OP
Great Pyramids = 26
Great Zimbabwe = 24
Hagia Sophia = 8
Mausoleum at Halicarnassus = 24
Oracle = 1 - 3 = ELIMINATED Not worth building anyways; the AI builds it often and the bonus isn't good
Oxford University = 21
Petra = 6
Potala Palace = 21
Ruhr Valley = 21
Terracotta Army = 12
Venetian Arsenal= 24

 

[XVeris]

Alhambra = 19
Apadana = 26
Big Ben = 30 + 1 = 31 (I like money)
Bolshoi Theatre = 12
Colosseum = 28
Cristo Redentor = 19
Eiffel Tower = 23
Forbidden City = 29
Great Pyramids = 26
Great Zimbabwe = 24
Hagia Sophia = 8 - 3 = 5 (Very odd that it gives Great Prophet Points despite requiring a Religion to build)
Mausoleum at Halicarnassus = 24
Oxford University = 21
Petra = 6
Potala Palace = 21
Ruhr Valley = 21
Terracotta Army = 12
Venetian Arsenal= 24

 

[Morgawr]

Alhambra = 19
Apadana = 26
Big Ben = 31
Bolshoi Theatre = 12-3 = 8 Don't care about great works.. also comes too late
Colosseum = 28
Cristo Redentor = 19
Eiffel Tower = 23
Forbidden City = 29
Great Pyramids = 26
Great Zimbabwe = 24
Hagia Sophia = 5+1 = 6 One of you few relavant wonders for religious victory
Mausoleum at Halicarnassus = 24
Oxford University = 21
Petra = 6
Potala Palace = 21
Ruhr Valley = 21
Terracotta Army = 12
Venetian Arsenal= 24

 

[Felis Renidens]

Alhambra = 19
Apadana = 26
Big Ben = 31
Bolshoi Theatre = 8
Colosseum = 28
Cristo Redentor = 19
Eiffel Tower = 23
Forbidden City = 30 = 29+1 an extra wildcard is great and flexible.
Great Pyramids = 26
Great Zimbabwe = 24
Hagia Sophia = 3 = 6-3 That's the religious wonder most likely to wait until really quick to build. I use Apostles mostly defensively so the charges do not matter much. I am also likely to get a promotion that gives some apostles 5 or 6 charges and then the utility of 1 extra charge diminishes.
Mausoleum at Halicarnassus = 24
Oxford University = 21
Petra = 6
Potala Palace = 21
Ruhr Valley = 21
Terracotta Army = 12
Venetian Arsenal= 24

 

[larse]

Alhambra = 19
Apadana = 26
Big Ben = 31
Bolshoi Theatre = 8
Colosseum = 28
Cristo Redentor = 19
Eiffel Tower = 23
Forbidden City = 30
Great Pyramids = 26
Great Zimbabwe = 24
Hagia Sophia = 0 (3-3) ELIMINATED Goodbye from this world.
Mausoleum at Halicarnassus = 24
Oxford University = 21
Petra = 6
Potala Palace = 21
Ruhr Valley = 22 (21+1) The stacking of bonuses makes this very strong.
Terracotta Army = 12
Venetian Arsenal= 24

 

[bbbt]

Alhambra = 19
Apadana = 26
Big Ben = 32 (31 + 1) Free economic policy card and money doubling are both very strong alone, but together!
Bolshoi Theatre = 8
Colosseum = 28
Cristo Redentor = 19
Eiffel Tower = 23
Forbidden City = 30
Great Pyramids = 26
Great Zimbabwe = 24
Mausoleum at Halicarnassus = 24
Oxford University = 21
Petra = 6
Potala Palace = 21
Ruhr Valley = 22
Terracotta Army = 9 (12 - 3) We'll we're getting down there. Solid wonder, but one of the weaker of the ones left. The bonus promotion to all troops is great, but usually comes early game when promotions are coming frequently. The open borders for archaeologists is pretty cool as well, but I've rarely had such a dearth of sites where I had to raid that many from the AI.
Venetian Arsenal= 24

 

[Kimiimaro]

Alhambra = 19
Apadana = 26
Big Ben = 32
Bolshoi Theatre = 8
Colosseum = 28
Cristo Redentor = 19
Eiffel Tower = 23
Forbidden City = 30
Great Pyramids = 26+1=27 - Extremely useful. It can save you a lot of production/money wasted on new builders, and when you're playing as China, it's must have.
Great Zimbabwe = 24
Mausoleum at Halicarnassus = 24
Oxford University = 21
Petra = 6
Potala Palace = 21
Ruhr Valley = 22
Terracotta Army = 9-3=6 - Free promotion is situational, free open borders to Archaeologists isn't that great. Open Borders arent so expensive to get from the AI, and if you're not going for Culture Victory, it's useless.
Venetian Arsenal= 24

 

[jacksone kain]

Alhambra = 19
Apadana = 26
Big Ben = 32
Bolshoi Theatre = 8
Colosseum = 28
Cristo Redentor = 19
Eiffel Tower = 23-3=20 - Neighborhoods are very low on my build order, so tile appeal is not something I ever really pay attention to.
Forbidden City = 30+1=31 - Love the free slot wonders. Wild Cards are the best slots.
Great Pyramids = 27
Great Zimbabwe = 24
Mausoleum at Halicarnassus = 24
Oxford University = 21
Petra = 6
Potala Palace = 21
Ruhr Valley = 22
Terracotta Army = 6
Venetian Arsenal= 24

 

[whyidie]

Alhambra = 19
Apadana = 26
Big Ben = 32
Bolshoi Theatre = 8
Colosseum = 28
Cristo Redentor = 19
Eiffel Tower = 20
Forbidden City = 31
Great Pyramids = 27
Great Zimbabwe = 24
Mausoleum at Halicarnassus = 24
Oxford University = 21
Petra = 7 (6+1) See below
Potala Palace = 18 (21-3) See below
Ruhr Valley = 22
Terracotta Army = 6
Venetian Arsenal= 24

Petra - Highly situational. Not only do you need desert, you need desert hills. You'll have a chance at it maybe 1 in 7 rolls. You know why its so rare ? Because its OP. Completely OP. Build it in a 2nd city, have two capitols. Get the right location, you don't need any other wonders. Its pretty much game over as you crank out whatever units/buildings/districts you need. I love this type of wonder because while its rare the benefits when done properly are completely insane. Its OP, walking on water, hot knife through butter fun.

Potala Palace - I'm serving notice on the free slot wonders. Neat effect. Couple problems :

1) Boring.
2) You're doing it wrong.

Does anyone plan their games around a free policy slot ? Scout out the perfect location just for that extra slot ? Have you ever been in a situation where you said "if only I had one more policy slot my game would be completely different" ? If you answered yes to any of the above you're boring. Go build Petra on desert hills and see how exciting life can be. LIVE A LITTLE.

++You can change policies often enough to execute micro plays, the governments give you enough flexibility to have enough of the policy cards you need. If you're making the right decisions you shouldn't need more than you get with the right government. Screw the extra policy card, build more scouts, find deserts and build Petra!

 

[Guandao]

Alhambra = 19
Apadana = 26
Big Ben = 32
Bolshoi Theatre = 8
Colosseum = 28
Cristo Redentor = 19
Eiffel Tower = 20
Forbidden City = 31
Great Pyramids = 27
Great Zimbabwe = 24
Mausoleum at Halicarnassus = 24
Oxford University = (21+1)=22 Not the greatest wonder, but it's decent. More science can't hurt.
Petra = 7
Potala Palace = 18
Ruhr Valley = 22
Terracotta Army = (6-3)=3 Not that great of a wonder compared to the others.
Venetian Arsenal= 24