World Wonder Elimination Thread

[bbbt]

Big Ben = 32
Colosseum = 25
Forbidden City 30
Great Pyramids = 30
Mausoleum at Halicarnassus 11
Potala Palace = 6 (5 + 1) An extra slot to maximize espionage and continue to benefit from city states without having to choose
Ruhr Valley = 7 (10-3) I'll continue on this one. Least flexible wonder left, primarily only useful for the science victory.

 

[WillowBrook]

Big Ben = 32
Colosseum = 26 (25+1) should be top three. Super helpful especially if one of the big amenity city states isn't available.
Forbidden City 30
Great Pyramids = 30
Mausoleum at Halicarnassus 11
Potala Palace = 6
Ruhr Valley = 4 (7 -3) least impressive of the remaining ones

 

[joncnunn]

Big Ben = 32
Colosseum = 26
Forbidden City 30
Great Pyramids = 30
Mausoleum at Halicarnassus 11 - 3 = 8 The benefits seem to be to Great Admiral (not a popular great person) and Great Engineer whose benefit appears to be hit or miss but in any case usually takes a back seat to Great Scientist as to which person is chosen.
Potala Palace = 6 + 1 = 7 As a Free Policy wonder, worthy of top 5. (If nothing else, with this wonder it makes it less likely to need to use a wildcard spot on a diplomatic policy.)
Ruhr Valley = 4

Comments on unchanged wonders:
Big Ben - I think it's the second best free policy overall (but thin margin as it's frequently an economic policy that a free wildcard one is put to use), but in no danger of premature elimination
Forbidden City - Probably the best free policy overall, but in no danger of premature elimination either.
Ruhr Valley - By a very thin margin preferable over Mausoleum in my opinion, in large part because if say capturing this one from the AI it's automatic on how its used while I'd have to change my faith buying great person strategy if capturing the Mausoleum in order to use it.

 

[Forster]

Big Ben = 32 - 3 = 29 Never built it.
Colosseum = 26 + 1 = 27 Releasing amenities for use elsewhere, what more can you want.
Forbidden City 30
Great Pyramids = 30
Mausoleum at Halicarnassus = 8
Potala Palace = 7
Ruhr Valley = 4

 

[CPWimmer]

Big Ben = 29 (clearly top-5)
Colosseum = 27 (clearly top-5)
Forbidden City 30 (clearly top-5)
Great Pyramids = 30 (clearly top-5)
Mausoleum at Halicarnassus = 5 = 8-5 Couple of interesting arguments against it: 1. Being DLC-only should probably keep it out of top-5. 2. Great Admirals are (arguably?) the weakest GP 3. Depending on AI and it's difficulty, getting Great People at all can be hit or miss. 4. The best GE are mostly dedicated to one victory type.
Potala Palace = 7
Ruhr Valley = 5 = 4+1 Hmmm... Production is widely considered the king of Civ 6, yet some people think this wonder is only good for 1 victory type? I think I'm missing something.

 

[gettingfat]

Big Ben = 29 +1 = 30 (should not be below forbidden City because it is simply better)
Colosseum = 27 - 3 = 24 (a very good one, but a wonder that has no global effect and only helps 3 to 4 cities IMHO is not a must build... Also quite useless on island map)
Forbidden City = 30
Great Pyramids = 30
Mausoleum at Halicarnassus = 5
Potala Palace = 7
Ruhr Valley = 5

 

[Vasire]

Moderator Action: Fixed Big Ben & Colosseum's vote count -- Jon

Big Ben = 30
Colosseum = 24
Forbidden City = 30
Great Pyramids = 30
Mausoleum at Halicarnassus = 5
Potala Palace = 8 (7+1) I want to try and save this since I'm trying to build one every game.
Ruhr Valley = 2 (5-3) Comes when the outskirts of the city are already pretty well-developed and with very specific placement conditions. Messes up with the whole outlay. )

 

[Kinestic]

Moderator Action: Fixed Big Ben & Colosseum's vote count -- Jon

Big Ben = 30
Colosseum = 24
Forbidden City 30
Great Pyramids = 30
Mausoleum at Halicarnassus = 5
Potala Palace = 8 - 3 = 5 An extra diplomatic slot is probably the weakest left in terms of sheer versatility. It is not focused towards one victory path, meaning it may be somewhat useful for all of them, but on the reverse side, it also means it is not overly useful for your path. Both this one and the Alhambra need a boost, maybe some more amenities for the Alhambra and a secondary effect for the Potala.
Ruhr Valley = 2 + 1 = 3 I agree with CPWimmer on this one. The only production wonder in a game where production is the king? Besides, the main argument against it seems to be it is only useful for science victory *cough* Domination *Cough*

 

[Siptah]

Moderator Action: Fixed Big Ben & Colosseum's vote count -- Jon

Big Ben = 30
Colosseum = 24
Forbidden City 30
Great Pyramids = 31 (30+1) reasons have been given before.
Mausoleum at Halicarnassus = 5
Potala Palace = 5
Ruhr Valley = 0 (3-3) ELIMINATED I'm not letting this opportunity pass. I think it is overrated. You exchange production for production and it's easy to say if it was a good investment or not in each game. And as far as domination goes: I rarely build units after the time Ruhr Valley comes around: a) I have enough units b) I faith buy units c) I buy units. And there's the naming issue that's still making me wonder why they did it. And the misfitting quote of course.

 

[Felis Renidens]

An early vote but I won't be around much later.

Big Ben = 30
Colosseum = 24
Forbidden City 30
Great Pyramids = 31
Mausoleum at Halicarnassus = 2 (5-3) This DLC only wonder needs to go. Then we will deal with top5
Potala Palace = 6 (5+1) - will replace Ruhr Vally in my top 5. A good card giving wonder.

Moderator Action: Fixed Big Ben & Colosseum's vote count -- Jon

 

[kaspergm]

Big Ben = 31 (30+1) Clearly better than Forbidden City, so upvoting this.
Colosseum = 24
Forbidden City 30
Great Pyramids = 31
Mausoleum at Halicarnassus = -1 (2-3) ELIMINATED Without having played the expansion, this seems too situational to be top 5.
Potala Palace = 6

Moderator Action: Fixed Big Ben & Colosseum's vote count -- Jon

 

[larse]

Moderator Action: Fixed Big Ben & Colosseum's vote count -- Jon

Big Ben = 31
Colosseum = 24
Forbidden City 30
Great Pyramids = 32 (31+1) To the love of the working people, of course
Potala Palace = 3 (6-3) Why diplomacy? There is military?

 

[God of Kings]

Moderator Action: Fixed Big Ben & Colosseum's vote count -- Jon

Big Ben = 31
Colosseum = 24
Forbidden City 30 + 1 = 31 Nothing beats having an extra wildcard policy slot
Great Pyramids = 32
Potala Palace = 3 - 3 = ELIMINATED Diplomacy policy slots aren't as good as economic or wildcard policy slots

 

[Grzemek]

Big Ben = 31 - 3 = 28 Everyone can use more Builder charges (for a long time), more amenities (always) and a Wildcard slot (always). Everyone can use another Economic slot since those cards are the strongest overall, but not everyone will benefit enough from doubling Gold to make the production cost worthwhile. You don't have the luxury to hoard Gold every match. And 1760 production isn't that much of a deal for effectively just an Economic slot when you are close to unlocking Fascism/Communism/Demo and are basically 2 techs away from Power Plants which you probably want ASAP. Of course it's a great wonder as it can allow you to mass upgrade your Knights into Tanks or straight up buy 2 or 3 Tank Armies soon, or adopt Democracy for a short time, dump your huge money pool into Great People and continue with Communism. Still, it's more situational than Colosso, Pyramids and Forbidden.

Colosseum = 24 +1 = 25 At this point I am really hesitant which of the 4 relevant ones are the strongest. I'm voting for Colosso because I don't believe it's any weaker than Forbidden or Pyramids, and having +10-+12 amenities more in your empire since Classical Era seems like a much better deal for me than Economic slot and doubling of a yield I might have not the luxury to hoard, at Industrial Era.

Forbidden City = 31

Great Pyramids = 32

Goodnight, Sweet Potala, you landed in top #5, high enough given current overall strength of Diplo cards.

Moderator Action: Fixed Big Ben & Colosseum's vote count -- Jon

 

[gettingfat]

Big Ben should be 28. Moderator please fix

Moderator Action: Fixed above, but sadly Colosseum (the other part of the same vote) was also off. -- Jon

 

[larse]

Big Ben should be 28. Moderator please fix

Yes. Error has been cascading since post #287.

I will not be voting anymore as I am content with the remaining wonders but do not want to put them against each other. They are all very desirable. Next I would like to see threads on strategies pertaining to some of the wonders in singular. Big Ben, particularly, because I feel this being the most complex one.

 

[Kimiimaro]

Moderator Action: Fixed Colosseum's vote count -- Jon

Big Ben = 28
Colosseum = 25
Forbidden City = 31-3=28 - I love extra wildcard policy. It's very versatile. But from the final four, I think this is the weakest.
Great Pyramids = 32+1=33 - This is my favourite, so I'm going to support it in my every post.

 

[jacksone kain]

Big Ben = 28-1 = 27 - Comes too late.
Colosseum = 28 +3 = 31 - Same argument for both - the length of time they affect game play.
Forbidden City = 28
Great Pyramids = 33

Moderator Action: This is an illegal vote it's +1 / -3 NOT +3 - 1

Correctly this vote is as follows

Big Ben 28-3 = 25
Colosseum 25+1=26
Forbidden City = 28
Great Pyramids = 33

--Jon

 

[Kimiimaro]

Big Ben = 28-1 = 27 - Comes too late.
Colosseum = 28 +3 = 31 - Same argument for both - the length of time they affect game play.
Forbidden City = 28
Great Pyramids = 33

Take three points, add one.

 

[Eliminator_Sr]

Now we get to the best - it will be interesting to see how this plays out.

Big Ben = 25
Colosseum = 26 - 3 = 23 (I forget to build it sometimes and though I usually regret it, amenities are a bit overrated here IMO)
Forbidden City = 28
Great Pyramids = 33 + 1 = 34 (Just for its snowballing effect which can kick in much earlier than the others. I always feel like I need more builder charges)

Moderator Action: Fixed Big Ben & Colosseum's vote --Jon