World Wonder Elimination Thread

[DWilson]

Alhambra = 5
Apadana = 18
Big Ben = 34
Colosseum = 29
Eiffel Tower = 4 (7-3, to me this is the weakest of the remaining, which is still quite respectable).
Forbidden City = 28
Great Pyramids = 25
Mausoleum at Halicarnassus = 26 (25+1, simply due to how valuable this is for a science victory).
Potala Palace = 10
Ruhr Valley = 17
Venetian Arsenal = 15

@larse I personally like when wonders are added via DLC, especially in this instance (in which it comes as a bonus to the main content, rather than as the focus of the pack like in V's Wonders of the Ancient World). Because it's adding content that otherwise might never have existed. But I acknowledge that my opinion isn't shared by all. That's part of why I specified that people can downvote for any reason that they like. And, the high position of the Apadana and the Mausoleum at Halicarnassus seems to indicate to me that most people aren't as bothered by this as you.

Moderator Action: Fixed Big Ben's vote -Jon

 

[Manifold]

Alhambra 5
Apadana = 18
Big Ben = 34
Colosseum = 26 (29-3) yes I like it, but mostly I have no room.
Eiffel Tower = 4
Forbidden City = 28
Great Pyramids = 25
Mausoleum at Halicarnassus = 26
Potala Palace = 10
Ruhr Valley = 18 (17+1) this is just great good
Venetian Arsenal = 15

Moderator Action: Fixed Big Ben's vote -Jon

 

[joncnunn]

Moderator Action: Fixed uncaught Big Ben error and adjusted all posts from the past 36 hours or so ago.
All, please be more careful when voting to avoid typos.

Alhambra 5 +1 = 6 All wonders providing free policy slots should be at least top 10
Apadana = 18
Big Ben = 34 Fixed vote count
Colosseum = 26
Eiffel Tower = 4 -3 = 1 When not playing Australia not built at high difficulty levels and unless playing Australia the benefit even capturing from AI is limited and so this one isn't worthy of top 10.
Forbidden City = 28
Great Pyramids = 25
Mausoleum at Halicarnassus = 26
Potala Palace = 10
Ruhr Valley = 18
Venetian Arsenal = 15

 

[God of Kings]

Alhambra 6
Apadana = 18
Big Ben = 34
Colosseum = 26
Eiffel Tower = 1 - 3 = ELIMINATED Too situational (and is only extremely beneficial for Australia)
Forbidden City = 28 + 1 = 29 Wildcard slot is the best policy card slot; it has the most flexibility
Great Pyramids = 25
Mausoleum at Halicarnassus = 26
Potala Palace = 10
Ruhr Valley = 18
Venetian Arsenal = 15

 

[Morgawr]

Alhambra 6
Apadana = 18
Big Ben = 34
Colosseum = 26
Forbidden City = 29
Great Pyramids = 25+1 = 26 Huge ROI - given how much goes into builders over the course of the game. If I have a patch of desert, I'm going for it
Mausoleum at Halicarnassus = 26-3 = 23 a) Navy is irrelavant so GA useless. b) Have played >1000 hours and haven't earned a single GE - impossible at higher levels
Potala Palace = 10
Ruhr Valley = 18
Venetian Arsenal = 15

 

[Grzemek]

Alhambra = 6 - 3 = 3 It would be nice to have both Retainers + Conscription/Levee en Masse all the time since Medieval, but sacrificing one for that concentrated military production effort isn't that much of a hit and on reverse, being able not to sacrifice either isn't worth the 710 production you need to sink in to gain it; military cards are the least flexible ones and if an urgent need rises, wildcard slots can do the trick perfectly well; 2 Arenas for 2 Amenities is 260 Production and I can't lose them in a race while Alhambra is 710 production. Obviously 2 Amenities isn't everything you pay 710 Production for when building Alhambra, what I mean is that there is a different and pretty easy way of getting 2 Amenities so that pseudoyield still does not make Alhambra that hot. Also Potala/Forbidden City are coming available for construction soon so I want to keep my production monster ready for that.
Apadana = 18
Big Ben = 34
Colosseum = 26 +1 = 27 Available early; has very easy placement requirements (adjacent to Entertainment Complex of any city, no Arena needed, you you can have Entertainment Complex only in city A and build Colosso in city B because it has that one tile that allows 3 more cities within its reach, or because City B has reasonable production for a wonder but no pop limit for another district); its "yields" are universally useful for all strategies/victories/civs; its "yields" outclass all wonders of its time and of many that come later, and scale very well throughout the game; very easy to plan empire shape with this wonder in mind in a reasonable way to maximize gain and you actually can plan cities placement with this wonder in mind;
Forbidden City = 29
Great Pyramids = 26
Mausoleum at Halicarnassus =23
Potala Palace = 10
Ruhr Valley = 18
Venetian Arsenal = 15

About Mausoleum: navy is only useless when you play Pangaea vs no coastal civs, when you get your buttocks handed to you in Renaissance because you got double Ironclad Armada'd; or lost Space Race because someone just popped double Sergei Korolev and Wernher von Braun and finished all 3 Mars Projects from 0 to 100% in 2 turns, this wonder looks not so shabby; we got Gold and Faith to snipe crucial Great People that we can't get naturally, and we probably can't get them naturally because we freely gave Oracle away and its owner is choking the Great People market for a long time, or at least setting us back in the race. Never mind, Oracle's owner is Russia/Japan/Brazil with Dance of the Aurora/Sacred Path, Synagogues and Jesuit Education, they first mass purchased Universities and Reasearch Labs in all their cities AND then Faith purchased "our" Space Race Engineers, that's how bad Oracle is and religion not worth pursuing.

Also Broadway gives +20% Culture to the city it's built in, same as Oxford University does with Science. Look at the Culture yield tooltip in city panel once you build it, the +20% will be listed there. Or just go into the game files. Broadway would fall off anyway I believe but maybe not in close neighborhood to such tile wasters as Hanging Gardens, Great Lighthouse and Mahabodhi.

Moderator Action: Fixed Forbidden City's score --Jon

 

[Forster]

Alhambra = 3
Apadana = 18
Big Ben = 34 - 3 = 31 Too late.
Colosseum = 27
Forbidden City = 29
Great Pyramids = 26 + 1 = 27 I agree, all those cogs saved.
Mausoleum at Halicarnassus = 23
Potala Palace = 10
Ruhr Valley = 18
Venetian Arsenal = 15

Moderator Action: Fixed Big Ben & Forbidden City vote score --Jon

 

[gettingfat]

Alhambra = 3
Apadana = 18-3=15 (I like this wonder, but it really depends on the start location and production of the capital and map type. Not every capital is suitable for multiple wonder building)
Big Ben = 31+1 = 32 (I don't think it's late. Instead it comes at the right time to double the treasury for GP purchase as late game great engineers/merchants/scientists are the best. There is not much point of doubling the treasury in early game when one at most has a few thousand coins. The economy policy also comes at the time when the players have enough trade routes and buildings to fully take advantage)
Colosseum = 27
Forbidden City = 29
Great Pyramids = 27
Mausoleum at Halicarnassus = 23
Potala Palace = 10
Ruhr Valley = 18
Venetian Arsenal = 15

Moderator Action: Fixed Big Ben & Forbidden City vote score --Jon

 

[LethalLeigh]

Alhambra = 4 (3+1) I think its better than Potala Palace.
Apadana = 15
Big Ben = 32
Colosseum = 27
Forbidden City = 29
Great Pyramids = 27
Mausoleum at Halicarnassus = 23
Potala Palace = 7 (10-3) not as good as Alhambra.
Ruhr Valley = 18
Venetian Arsenal = 15

Moderator Action: Fixed Big Ben & Forbidden City vote score --Jon

 

[kaspergm]

Alhambra = 1 (4-3) Diagree with poster above, this is definitely the weakest of the remaining lot. I rarely find myself needing more than 2 military slots to cover my needs.
Apadana = 15
Big Ben = 33 (32+1) I also don't think it comes too late. I rarely have much of a gold stash or significant GPT before this time where I've actually gotten to build banks, and the gold is extremely useful both for upgrading military units (which is a gold sink), buying tiles (which is even more of a gold sink) and of course to snatch a couple of GP for an easy science victory.
Colosseum = 27
Forbidden City = 29
Great Pyramids = 27
Mausoleum at Halicarnassus = 23
Potala Palace = 7
Ruhr Valley = 18
Venetian Arsenal = 15

Moderator Action: Fixed Big Ben, Alhamra, Forbidden City, and Potalta Palace vote score --Jon

 

[Hammurabbit]

Moderator Action: Fixed Big Ben & Forbidden City vote score --Jon

Alhambra = 1
Apadana = 15
Big Ben = 33
Colosseum = 27
Forbidden City = 29
Great Pyramids = 27
Mausoleum at Halicarnassus = 23
Potala Palace = 7
Ruhr Valley = 15 (18-3) Powerful wonder, but always ends up being put on some nice mines I've already built. And if the AI gets it, my mines are wasted.
Venetian Arsenal = 16 (15 + 1) Fun to have a big fleet, and quite useful if your're not playing pangea. Generally not that popular wonder among the AIs so not too stressful to build in single player.

 

[Mesix]

Alhambra = 1 + 1 = 2 The top four wonders in the game provide extra policy cards. This is one of those four.
Apadana = 15
Big Ben = 33
Colosseum = 27
Forbidden City = 29
Great Pyramids = 27
Mausoleum at Halicarnassus = 23
Potala Palace = 7
Ruhr Valley = 15
Venetian Arsenal = 16 - 3 = 13 Seriously, why is this lame, situational, nearly never very useful wonder still on the list? Unless Navy becomes a more important part of the game, this wonder is only built when there is nothing else left to build.

Moderator Action: Fixed Big Ben & Forbidden City vote score --Jon

 

[Siptah]

Alhambra = -1 (2-3) ELIMINATED weakest one left. And on top of that, it's often gone fast.
Apadana = 15
Big Ben = 33
Colosseum = 27
Forbidden City = 29
Great Pyramids = 27
Mausoleum at Halicarnassus = 23
Potala Palace = 8 (7+1) maybe this one can surpass Ruhr Valley and the Venetian Arsenal, I think it should. Reasons have been given before.
Ruhr Valley = 15
Venetian Arsenal = 13

Moderator Action: Fixed Big Ben & Forbidden City vote score --Jon

 

[Kimiimaro]

Apadana = 15-3=12 - I really like it. I even upvoted it, but now it's time to eliminate it. It's too situational.
Big Ben = 33
Colosseum = 27
Forbidden City = 29
Great Pyramids = 27+1=28 - I see this as final battle between Big Ben, Forbidden City, Colosseum and Pyramids. And Pyramids are my favourites.
Mausoleum at Halicarnassus = 23
Potala Palace = 8
Ruhr Valley = 15
Venetian Arsenal = 13

Moderator Action: Fixed Big Ben & Forbidden City vote score --Jon

 

[Felis Renidens]

Came too late to save Alhambra (all card giving wonders are good)

Apadana = 12
Big Ben = 33
Colosseum = 27
Forbidden City = 29
Great Pyramids = 28
Mausoleum at Halicarnassus = 23
Potala Palace = 9 (8+1) all card giving wonders are good
Ruhr Valley = 15
Venetian Arsenal = 10 (13-3) - Same as before - I won't place an industrial district near water just to get it and even when I build it I don't use it much

Moderator Action: Fixed Big Ben & Forbidden City vote score --Jon

 

[jacksone kain]

Apadana = 12-3=9 - Much more situational than the Arsenal - has to be near your capital
Big Ben = 33
Colosseum = 27
Forbidden City = 29
Great Pyramids = 28
Mausoleum at Halicarnassus = 23
Potala Palace = 9+1 = 10 - Policy cards are sweet.
Ruhr Valley = 15
Venetian Arsenal = 10

Moderator Action: Fixed Big Ben & Forbidden City vote score --Jon

 

[Amrunril]

Apadana = 9
Big Ben = 30 (33 - 3) The policy slot wonders are strong, but not as strong as this voting suggests. They aren't enabling the strongest policy card you run (you'd take that first anyway), they're enabling the last one you fill into a given category.
Colosseum = 27
Forbidden City = 29
Great Pyramids = 28
Mausoleum at Halicarnassus = 23
Potala Palace = 10
Ruhr Valley = 15
Venetian Arsenal = 11 (10 + 1) You can certainly get by without naval supremacy on most maps, but once you do have the option of building a double strength fleet, its not hard to find uses for it.

Moderator Action: Fixed Big Ben & Forbidden City vote score --Jon

 

[Eliminator_Sr]

Apadana = 9
Big Ben = 30 + 1 = 31 (Can be a game changer and enables so many different strategies)
Colosseum = 27
Forbidden City = 29
Great Pyramids = 28
Mausoleum at Halicarnassus = 23
Potala Palace = 10
Ruhr Valley = 15
Venetian Arsenal = 11 - 3 = 8 (Have to downvote this one again and I'm shocked it made it so far. I've only built it once. Yes it pays for itself but it's just unnecessary and major overkill. I've pretty much conquered most of the map with Frigates already)

Moderator Action: Fixed Big Ben & Forbidden City vote score --Jon

 

[Guandao]

Apadana = 9
Big Ben = 31
Colosseum = 27
Forbidden City = 29
Great Pyramids = 28
Mausoleum at Halicarnassus = 23
Potala Palace = (10+1)=11 An extra Diplo slot can come in handy
Ruhr Valley = 15
Venetian Arsenal = (8-3)=5 Navies aren't important enough in the current build of the game, plus I often forget to place IZs next to the coast.

Moderator Action: Fixed Big Ben & Forbidden City vote score --Jon

 

[CPWimmer]

Apadana = 9
Big Ben = 31
Colosseum = 27
Forbidden City = 29
Great Pyramids = 28
Mausoleum at Halicarnassus = 23
Potala Palace = 11
Ruhr Valley = 16 = 15+1 I think it's stronger then Apadana. Could go either way with Potala Palace and Mausoleam for the last slot in the top 5.
Venetian Arsenal = 2 = 5-3 I like it, but it's time to go. Top 10 is higher then I thought it would make it.

Moderator Action: Fixed Big Ben & Forbidden City vote score --Jon