Worst Dictators Ever?

Tathlum:
I do hope we'll meet again in the right thread about this. You propably are right in pointing out that people want this to be a thread about uncontroversial figures. Friends :) ;)
 
From my "Historical Filth" article about Paraguay-

Francisco Solano Lopez 1827- 1870

One of the worst rulers of all time, young Francisco watched his father steadily build up Paraguay's military power, and became over-confident. Pausing briefly to marry Eliza Lynch (an Irish prostitute) he started making aggressive interventions in the war between Brazil and Uruguay, which resulted in him declaring war and invading Brazil in 1864. When Argentina refused to allow Paraguayan troops to move through their territory, Lopez declared war on them too. Finally the new Uruguayan puppet government declared war on Paraguay, which meant that Paraguay was at war with nearly all of its neighbours simultaneously, hopelessly outnumbered and out-gunned.
Within two years, suicidal attempts to invade Brazil and Argentina had shattered the Paraguayan army and the country was being invaded from all directions. Massacres and disease decimated the population. Frantic Paraguayan Generals tried to persuade Lopez to seek peace, but he refused to stop fighting and had them all executed (usually by having them tied to anthills to be eaten alive by the ants). When his 70 year old mother and two sisters tried to make him see reason, he had them all repeatedly beaten savagely and kept them nailed into wooden crates, from which they were only removed for further beatings. His two brothers and two brothers-in-law were executed.
Finally, and mercifully, Lopez was killed in battle. The War of the Triple Alliance caused the death of an estimated 80% of Paraguay's population, making it pro rata the bloodiest war ever. By the final days, the Paraguayan army consisted of children as young as six attacking enemy artillery placements with clods of earth.

An absolute monster. Measuring atrocities and death-toll per head of population in his nation, he has no equal.
 
Why are people saying that Ho Chi Minh killed lots of people?? I don't get it. Are you saying he is responsible for killed/wounded in a war??

And Tito?? lol why is he here, because he is communist ? Just look what happened when he died. The different ethnic groups of Yugoslavia couldn't wait to get there hands on each other.
 
Originally posted by pstanhag
Why are people saying that Ho Chi Minh killed lots of people?? I don't get it. Are you saying he is responsible for killed/wounded in a war??

No but he is responsible for many of the deaths after the war.
 
Originally posted by Achinz


No comparision at all (ie to Pinochet) I'm afraid :)

That's right, Castro is MUCH worse then Pinochet. Fidel alone killed more then the SUM of ALL latin-american military dictatorships.

Pinochet is evil, but compared to Castro, he's a lamb. Hell, most serial killers are angels when compared to the megalomaniac, demented, psychotic, murderer, brutal tyrannic monarch that is fidel Castro.
 
Originally posted by Stapel


Today, in all modern western democracies only France & USA elect their leaders...

*ahem*
You don't have to be first-world to be modern and western... :p ;)
 
My list

Stalin
Pol Pot
Hitler
Mao
and I heard Ceaucesco was pretty bad too.
Surely, many other dictators could be on that list. Like Kafka pointed out Solano Lopez was quite evil. There are also plenty of middle-ages and acient lunatics that deserve to be here.
 
Originally posted by luiz


That's right, Castro is MUCH worse then Pinochet. Fidel alone killed more then the SUM of ALL latin-american military dictatorships.

Pinochet is evil, but compared to Castro, he's a lamb. Hell, most serial killers are angels when compared to the megalomaniac, demented, psychotic, murderer, brutal tyrannic monarch that is fidel Castro.

Don't think so.

Originally posted by luiz

My list

Stalin
Pol Pot
Hitler
Mao
and I heard Ceaucesco was pretty bad too.
Surely, many other dictators could be on that list. Like Kafka pointed out Solano Lopez was quite evil. There are also plenty of middle-ages and acient lunatics that deserve to be here.

How sure ? Just because they aren't communists.

You can use strong words. But with ZERO facts to back'em up, no one is going to respect your selections.
 
Admittedly, I say that as a leftist, the guys on luiz' list are very much the creme de la creme of evil. I just don't agree with his views on Castro.
 
Mao is not as bad as his counter part Mr Jiang whose stories western people never get a chance to know. Case closed.
 
Today, in all modern western democracies only France & USA elect their leaders...

Wait a minute. The President of the USA is actually elected by the electoral college, right? And while the Tioseacht is the leader of the largest elected party, we still know who that is going to be when we vote and our President is directly elected...

I really don't see what point your trying to make...

EDIT: lz14, why not educate us..
 
Yes, lz14. Why not tell us EXACTLY what mister Jiang Kai-Shek did? Hmm. And please back it up with sources, eh? So far as we know, Mao was guilty of genocide, and it's pretty hard to top that.:p
 
Originally posted by Amenhotep7
Yes, lz14. Why not tell us EXACTLY what mister Jiang Kai-Shek did? Hmm. And please back it up with sources, eh? So far as we know, Mao was guilty of genocide, and it's pretty hard to top that.:p

Should I bother ?

The story of Lopez was listed directly above. Does that change some people's mind ? Nope.

He is somehow still better than Castro. Fiedel is worse than "beat his own sisters and mother up", Cuba is worse than "six year olds attacking enemy artillery placements with clods of earth". Some of you are just totally blind.

Did WWII ever happen? Do some people learn a lesson ? Nope.

Do you side with Stalin or Hitler? The western world tolerated Hitler coz they thought they could use him against Stalin, what the hell happened ? Had some of you guys travel back in time, you will kiss Hitler's ass and give him CezhSlovakia etc for free AGAIN, and AGAIN, and AGAIN.

Keep the properganda machine spinning. Mao was guilty for genocide ?

I don't bother.
 
You lose, maybe you could have convinced people if you didn't throw a tantrum but you lose. Also Mao was guilty of killing people and ruining lives through the cultural revolution (that was him right?) and several other policies.
 
Do you side with Stalin or Hitler? The western world tolerated Hitler coz they thought they could use him against Stalin, what the hell happened ? Had some of you guys travel back in time, you will kiss Hitler's ass and give him CezhSlovakia etc for free AGAIN, and AGAIN, and AGAIN.

Really? How intruiging, for someone who has never met me, you know an awful lot about my attitude towards hitler. Perhaps you should look up a thread in this very forum on appeasement. You'd be suprised just how many people here would not give him Czechoslovakia actually :)

I do though have to admire your debating skills, you declare Jiang worse than Mao and then close the case before saying why. Not only do you have the incredible nerve to do so, you also claim "western people will never know". Well I'm guessing you know, so please, enlighten us :confused:

Assuming of course that your skill in discussions such as this stretches to beyond just criticising other's opinions without actually saying why that is...
 
Originally posted by lz14


Should I bother ?

The story of Lopez was listed directly above. Does that change some people's mind ? Nope.

He is somehow still better than Castro. Fiedel is worse than "beat his own sisters and mother up", Cuba is worse than "six year olds attacking enemy artillery placements with clods of earth". Some of you are just totally blind.

Did WWII ever happen? Do some people learn a lesson ? Nope.

Do you side with Stalin or Hitler? The western world tolerated Hitler coz they thought they could use him against Stalin, what the hell happened ? Had some of you guys travel back in time, you will kiss Hitler's ass and give him CezhSlovakia etc for free AGAIN, and AGAIN, and AGAIN.

Keep the properganda machine spinning. Mao was guilty for genocide ?

I don't bother.

1) Jiang was not guilty for the lives lost, as it was MAO who started the revolution, therefore all deaths are HIS fault.

2) Mao's "cultural revolution" left many lives ruined, whereas Mr. Kai-Shek wished to keep the Chinese culture at the status quo, where most everyone was content.

3) You call "us westerners" idiotic, but do you tell us why? Nope. :p
 
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