mythmonster2
BEC NOIR! RUN!
Yeah, true, so true.You might have to get rid of the mindless killa tag if you want to denounce terrorism!
Would you be comfortable with a Mosque built in your neighbourhood?
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No, not really comfortable.
1st impression of a mosque is, damn, will they be using loud speaker??
same goes with other religion building, building a church is going to be difficult finding carpark on sunday,not to mention seeing ppl wasting good money on a building.
Temple got a -2 culture and -
on me
1st impression of a mosque is, damn, will they be using loud speaker??
same goes with other religion building, building a church is going to be difficult finding carpark on sunday,not to mention seeing ppl wasting good money on a building.
Temple got a -2 culture and -
on me
Nylan
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Why would that be evil?
Are you trying to say christians view other religions as evil?
They shouldn't
This comment earlier in the thread is the LDS stance on it, as has already been mentioned
mythmonster2
BEC NOIR! RUN!
Actually, in secular states like the U.S.A, Europe, Canada,Australia, etc. we do not use a minaret, loudspeaker, megaphone, or anything like that! Just basically, everyone just goes at about 7:00.(do Sunni's do the same thing?)No, not really comfortable.
1st impression of a mosque is, damn, will they be using loud speaker??
same goes with other religion building, building a church is going to be difficult finding carpark on sunday,not to mention seeing ppl wasting good money on a building.
Temple got a -2 culture and -
Stacmon
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http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=5289420&postcount=19
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=5289439&postcount=23
I explained this in another thread.
I'm not sure if you noticed, but you linked to specific posts, rather than the threads. Since you singled out those posts, I thought you were only referring to them.
I'm about to leave the house, but I'll read through that whole thread later.
RedWolf
Deity
Seriously - I don't care if a mosque gets built in my neighborhood. How does it affect me in any way?
But lets say I was one of those paranoid, Muslim fearing fanatics that believes they're all a bunch of freedom hating terrorists - It's unlikely an Islamic fundamentalist is going to blow up their own Mosque... so it's probably SAFER to live near a mosque.
But lets say I was one of those paranoid, Muslim fearing fanatics that believes they're all a bunch of freedom hating terrorists - It's unlikely an Islamic fundamentalist is going to blow up their own Mosque... so it's probably SAFER to live near a mosque.
Well, Redwolf, remember that Muslim's worst enemy these days (in a 'mass personal slaughter' sense) is Muslims of the variant faith. (Shia vs. Sunni)
The Jews were saved by either not engaging in sinful activity (impossible) or by making the requisite blood sacrifices when they did break the commandments. Animal sacrifice was a big component of the mythology.
As well, there's an idea that people who died (without knowing about Jesus) were given the option of choosing or rejecting Christ after they died.
The Jews were saved by either not engaging in sinful activity (impossible) or by making the requisite blood sacrifices when they did break the commandments. Animal sacrifice was a big component of the mythology.
As well, there's an idea that people who died (without knowing about Jesus) were given the option of choosing or rejecting Christ after they died.
sonorakitch
Overseas hunter
It appears Stylesjl cannot rebut this. I am not surprised.
I would think only those born after 2001 would be able to make such statments.
~Chris
Re my apparently shocking comment earlier:
Mormons believe we are the "One True Church". Buy Nylan, who is also LDS, quoted our position on claiming the privilege of worshiping God and giving all other people this privilege. In other words, we believe that all churches, insofar as their doctrine is different from ours, are incorrect, and that anyone would benefit from joining our church.
Nonetheless, other churches can and do help their members in many ways. And at any rate, they often make a better addition to a neighborhood than, say, a strip mall.
Mormons believe we are the "One True Church". Buy Nylan, who is also LDS, quoted our position on claiming the privilege of worshiping God and giving all other people this privilege. In other words, we believe that all churches, insofar as their doctrine is different from ours, are incorrect, and that anyone would benefit from joining our church.
Nonetheless, other churches can and do help their members in many ways. And at any rate, they often make a better addition to a neighborhood than, say, a strip mall.
Well, I would prefer a strip club, but it seems that churches keep being built within 1,000 feet of our local strip clubs and then they get the strip clubs closed down for being within 1,000 feet of a church.
Hmm . . .
Yes, we would prefer a church of a different religion to a strip club . . . is that really a problem? Can't the people who make zoning laws tell which came first? I think more metropoli need a City of Industry.
Yes, we would prefer a church of a different religion to a strip club . . . is that really a problem? Can't the people who make zoning laws tell which came first? I think more metropoli need a City of Industry.
Gaius Octavius
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This is all a bit of a superficial take on it. Yes, even Arab Christians use the word "allah" for God, but there is a major difference in its usage. Muslims identify this as a personal name for God, whereas the Christians are using it as more of a title. It gets confusing.
To address the first statement, calling Allah Jehovah/Yahewh does not make it so. Just because Muslims say that Allah is the same as the others does not mean we are compelled to accept this answer. (I suppose we can turn that argument around, too.)
Beyond the name, there are important differences in God's nature among the three, but particularly between the Judeo-Christian tradition and Islam. To say that there are only differences of prophets makes it sound more like the ancient syncretic polytheists; the Greeks and the Romans identifying their gods of war comes to mind.
The Koran portrays the Christians as polytheists because they worship the Trinity. "They do blaspheme who say: Allah is the third of three." There is evidently some sort of difference to them.
However, let me quote here from another site I found about this issue:
"Muslims believe that Allah of the Quran is the same as God the Father of the Holy Bible since they do not believe in God the Son, Jesus Christ, nor in God the Holy Spirit..."
So they do want to identify Allah as God the Father, yet they regard Christian beliefs as heretical. The real point of contention, I suppose, comes in the nature of the Trinity and the person of Christ. But beyond this there are fundamental differences in the character and nature of Allah and Yahweh, which are far too complicated to address here.
Now, I believe you can successfully argue that the Jewish God and Christian God are, historically, the same. The difference here is that their natures (aside from trinitarian issues, though that's a very important distinction) are quite similar, and you cannot necessarily say the same thing for Allah and Yahweh. We also get into alternative histories, different kinds of involvement in human affairs, etc.
My point is that it is too simplistic to say that all are worshipping the same God. If you are going to identify "God" simply as the ruler/creator of the universe, then yes, we can say that they are all the same -- and probably half of the other religions of the world, too. (My, aren't we all just one big happy family...) But if you're going to lay out details about God's character, his personal attributes, role in the world, commandments, etc., then we start to run into problems.
Somebody else put it this way:
"So often the question is put to me "Is Allah the God of the Bible?" Too often people are looking for a simple "Yes" or "No" answer..."
The people who make the zoning laws kept on making new anti-strip club zoning laws that kept losing in court at the expense of hundreds of thousands of dollars to the local taxpayers. They finally got the strip clubs to move from the area where the locals were complaining the loudest, but the clubs have been replaced by Tejano clubs which is justice in my eyes since the local complainers hate drunk Mexicans (many of which are likely illegal aliens) more than they hate strippers.
I guess there is another way for me to look at this...citizen Matt doesn't have a problem at all if it doesnt change his driving patterns. City Government Bureaucrat Matt cares a little more.
I don't have a problem with church development (they're great for cities, as they provide community meeting places, and take care of charity services so the government doesn't have to)...but I would try to encourage the mosque to be built in a non-downtown area (as Mosques don't have to pay property taxes...so you don't want the building in the most expensive part of town)
My hometown has 5 church buildings in the most expensive commercial real estate area. As a result, citizens pay more.
I don't have a problem with church development (they're great for cities, as they provide community meeting places, and take care of charity services so the government doesn't have to)...but I would try to encourage the mosque to be built in a non-downtown area (as Mosques don't have to pay property taxes...so you don't want the building in the most expensive part of town)
My hometown has 5 church buildings in the most expensive commercial real estate area. As a result, citizens pay more.
And you could replace MobBoss' statement except for Christian, use Muslim, and for bombing abortion clinics, say suicide bombings. They aren't suicide bombers because of their religion, they just happen to be muslim.
sonorakitch
Overseas hunter
But again...you didn't read my first post. One cannot equate the very isolated incidents at abortion clinics (the last bombing which occurred in the 90's) and the continued persecution of non-muslims in muslim lands.
Do you know sir how many people in the United States have been killed in abortion clinic bombings? One.
http://www.cnn.com/US/9801/29/bombing.update/index.html
To say it is just an odd coincidence that all the suicide bombers are muslim is rather strange. The bulk of world conflict today involves muslim aggression. This is an undisputable fact.
In the past 100 years, Christianity has not produced a single major conflict based on mainstream Christianity. The same cannot be said for Islam.
~Chris
Mr. Dictator
A Chain-Smoking Fox
too bad you can't compare modern christianity with modern islam.
islam is going through a phase, christianity went through it before and they're fine now.
I wonder how violent Christianity was when it was the same age that Islam is now.
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Mr. Dictator
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islam started in the 7th century...
so it's roughly...1407 years old? correct me if i'm wrong.
christianity started around 20 AD. (I'm guestimating)
so, how violent was christianity in 1427, roughly? :haha, few decades before the inquisition?
better watch out, maybe the dirty muslims are going to do the same.
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