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Considering the first German tanks were little other than steel blockhouses with poorly attached tracks...
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Internal combustion engines.
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ı guess this is better explained by the successes that the equally honourable Brits and slightly less honourable French were getting with tactisches angriff krafftwagen . And the tank they did was a mobile blokhaus that could be useful in the kind of operations the Germans were excelling , that keep the front with tripwire and counterstroke the lead enemy units when they are out of artillery range .
trust me , ı can readily accept that ı know nothing about what ı am talking .
( the honour ranking is given from German perspective )
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In this case, it arguably was a miracle.
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Based on what?
Had Germany won WWI, we'd all know the war was all the fault of the UK , choosing filthy lucre over siding with their Germanic brethren in this momentous struggle for the future of nations (see fx Sven Hedin's quite popular very-pro-German report-book 1915 book "From the Western Front"). Really, the French were enemies, but mostly honourable such, acting according to script in the German view. England? Oh, England was a filthy traitor by comparison...
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You sure that assessment wasn't rather how WWI Germany should apportion "hounrableness" viewed from inside the Anglosphere? 'Cause historically, outside it, the notion of the UK as particularly honourable would rather have elicited a snigger. (Part of which can be chalked up to envy, it must be said.)
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The Germans didn't much require tanks, they had developed their own tactics for breaking the trench lines. Instead of going over the problem as tanks do, the Germans used small-force infiltration tactics to dive into the belly of the beast. They combined these en masse with a new method of artillery bombardment in the Spring Offensive, and that is why it was initially so successful.
The reason that it failed, of course, was that it cost them a million casualties before the month was out, a blow they simply could not weather.
The reason that it failed, of course, was that it cost them a million casualties before the month was out, a blow they simply could not weather.
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All steel. I'd say basically,WWI tanks started out as tractors fitted with a steel-frame with steel-plate riveted on to it.
Here's a pic of the engine being fitted into one of the early French heavies, the St Chamond (75mm gun, heaviest tank gun well into WWII, shame about the next-to non-existent capability to cross trenches really).
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honourability , that angle , ı humbly think , must think a bit more at home and write a couple of things on it home . A slightly larger version of post 24 and what it says is in a long and boring post here
As Verbose said, all steel, though several developmental prototypes used a wooden frame. The idea was dropped pretty damn quickly though.
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my total lack of smilie friendliness cause quite a few problems , especially in those moments that imply lighthearted approach .
now , one not very famous decisions of Bismarck was trying the peaceful trade option , which in essence uses trade as a leverage to expand own economy , help own foreign affairs on the basis of mutual benefits, help accumulation by avoiding too taxing a scale of military expenditure , which in modified forms have also been used by post war Germany and Japan to some some success . Modified as they use the relationship with US openly . The potential of America has always on the minds of statesmen . Had the 1858 Mutiny had not so scared London , RN would have openly broken the Northern blockade in the name of free trade and needs of the textile mills of Manchester . ( O my God !! Two Americas instead of one . Praise to God for He has spared us all . )
by the turn of the century , America has reached to the limit of possible peaceful expansion , Kaiser Wilhelm is eager to dump the old ways as he is so convinced the potential is far higher than so far achieved and does offer his hand to England , he is the grandson of the Queen , right ? Against the "Empire" that was so popular in the England of 1860s , Germans would be given a free hand around their borders as a return and they would still help London by , shall we say , razing Paris , another hotbed of anti-Britannia ? Unfortunately the world has also ended and England has already chosen to destroy a few of the lesser empires to keep growing , the oft qouted shark who has to move nonstop to live . France did not into that description of lesser . Against all the offers of using the Hochsee Flotte as an adjunct to RN against American pirates in a inevitable showdown between the English speaking nations , the British have already better plans . A few crises in Venezuela and in the Samoa Islands convince any doubting Englishman that a special relationship will be cheaper while sooner or later they would have to get in a serious land war to stop the German juggernaught from taking over Euroasia .
so Germans are angry with British in WWI ? Doesn't surprise me at all . Though the British or rather their potential is really respected in Berlin , they would love to come to terms with them . France sharing a common border is a bigger danger so it has to be dealt with . Influencing how the Germans would think on offers from respective capitals . And it was even proved in the next world war . Hitler took the old thing out of the cupboard and offered peace to Churchill . You must have heard about a laughable offer of German troops for the defence of the British Empire . And France , while occupied , was treated with velvet gloves . Yeah , velvet if one remembers what the Nazis were capable of doing , at least ...
now , one not very famous decisions of Bismarck was trying the peaceful trade option , which in essence uses trade as a leverage to expand own economy , help own foreign affairs on the basis of mutual benefits, help accumulation by avoiding too taxing a scale of military expenditure , which in modified forms have also been used by post war Germany and Japan to some some success . Modified as they use the relationship with US openly . The potential of America has always on the minds of statesmen . Had the 1858 Mutiny had not so scared London , RN would have openly broken the Northern blockade in the name of free trade and needs of the textile mills of Manchester . ( O my God !! Two Americas instead of one . Praise to God for He has spared us all . )
by the turn of the century , America has reached to the limit of possible peaceful expansion , Kaiser Wilhelm is eager to dump the old ways as he is so convinced the potential is far higher than so far achieved and does offer his hand to England , he is the grandson of the Queen , right ? Against the "Empire" that was so popular in the England of 1860s , Germans would be given a free hand around their borders as a return and they would still help London by , shall we say , razing Paris , another hotbed of anti-Britannia ? Unfortunately the world has also ended and England has already chosen to destroy a few of the lesser empires to keep growing , the oft qouted shark who has to move nonstop to live . France did not into that description of lesser . Against all the offers of using the Hochsee Flotte as an adjunct to RN against American pirates in a inevitable showdown between the English speaking nations , the British have already better plans . A few crises in Venezuela and in the Samoa Islands convince any doubting Englishman that a special relationship will be cheaper while sooner or later they would have to get in a serious land war to stop the German juggernaught from taking over Euroasia .
so Germans are angry with British in WWI ? Doesn't surprise me at all . Though the British or rather their potential is really respected in Berlin , they would love to come to terms with them . France sharing a common border is a bigger danger so it has to be dealt with . Influencing how the Germans would think on offers from respective capitals . And it was even proved in the next world war . Hitler took the old thing out of the cupboard and offered peace to Churchill . You must have heard about a laughable offer of German troops for the defence of the British Empire . And France , while occupied , was treated with velvet gloves . Yeah , velvet if one remembers what the Nazis were capable of doing , at least ...
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