WW1-WW2 Naval Vessels Discussion

[tom2050]

WW1-WW2 Naval Vessels Discussion

Just a simple thread to discuss what WW1-WW2 ships are not available, which ones might not ever see the light of day, and perhaps any further suggestions of what is needed (I had notes of exactly what we don't have, but couldn't find them).

I browsed around and found these models, most from Civ 4, some from other places online. These are the models I have of ships:

Akagi carrier
Gangut class battleship (might do)
Japanese aircraft carrier Hiryū
HMS Implacable, British fleet aircraft carrier
HMS Sussex Heavy Cruiser
HMS Warspite BB
HMS Avenger Escort Carrier
Kaga carrier
USS Wasp CV (1941)
Generic WW1 Light Cruiser
Generic WW1 seaplane tender
SMS-Elster
HMS Devastation, HMS Monmouth, HMS Queen Elizabeth, HMS Warrior

--- many others from all the links given in the following pages. Too many to list!

Anyways, that's my list for now. I need a model to work with in order to do a unit (don't have the time to make them from scratch), so if you find a free one somewhere that's not listed here and wish to eventually see it done, just add a link to the model so I can eventually get to it.



As a note, I'm trying to scale them appropriately with Wyrmshadow's units to keep some consistency here. They may not be perfect though to every unit.

 

[Delta_Strife]

Nice list Tom! All I can say is I am excited to see these ships and wait patiently for them.

 

[The Guardian]

What we don't have is an abundance of Steam sailers. The only ones I could find
Esmeraldas steam frigate
HMS Warrior
Ironfrigate
Huascar Ironclad
and an assortment of coastal and river ironclads.
You can find four more models (Free) Here

There may be more.





Georgios Averof - Greek Armoured Cruiser WWI vintage


Schlachtkreuzer - WWI German Battle Cruiser


USS Brooklyn CA-3 - One of the leading ships of the U.S. "New Steel Navy" launched in Philadelphia in 1896, and carrying out naval warfare during the Spanish-American War


U.S.S. Olympia in Philadelphia, PA, USA



Seaplane Tender 1910-1945

Derfflinger - WW1 Battle Cruiser



G101 TBD WW1 - world war 1 german Torpedo Boat Destroyer G101 6 torpedo tubes 4 - 4.1" quick fire deck guns



BTW these are all free models from 3D Warehouse

Hope this helps

 

[Delta_Strife]

Oh hey Tom I just realized something I found a while back but never got around to showing anyone. There is a forum called subsim http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/forumdisplay.php?f=170 and they host a forum about silent hunter and it appears they have made many 3d ships to mod their games. Since you are the master for converting 3D units from other games perhaps with the permission of the members of that board we can use their ship models as well. I downloaded one unit to look at the format and they appear to be in .dds format with a few other files. So take a look and let me know if that is useful at all.

 

[tom2050]

Thanks Guardian and Delta_Strife.

I will send a PM to mods over at Silent Hunter and see what they say. Hopefully they may be okay with it. The DDS would be the texture file. The others are probably the model and/or animations.

Yes, Google Warehouse has tons of stuff. I didn't even know about it until I saw Wyrmshadow mention it a while back. Many of those models are very well done also!

 

[Wotan49]

there are still Civ3 were not running the models (models)

Gary Childress freighter http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=13129


eric_A IJN Kumano http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=12607


with best regards,
Wotan49

 

[The Guardian]

Thanks Guardian and Delta_Strife.

I will send a PM to mods over at Silent Hunter and see what they say. Hopefully they may be okay with it. The DDS would be the texture file. The others are probably the model and/or animations.

Yes, Google Warehouse has tons of stuff. I didn't even know about it until I saw Wyrmshadow mention it a while back. Many of those models are very well done also!

No problem TOM, there is a real good model of the HMS Warrior on that site. If you can remove the flag or make the flag generic, it would make an excellent generic steam frigate. If you can DL that warrior model and make three different versions of different size only ( small, medium, and large ), that would be usable for about 60% of all steam frigates built. The basic difference between the classes of steam frigates was their size and the number of guns they carried They were only built between 1830 and 1898 in the US and only until around 1908 throught the world I think. The US fleet was very small ( around 30 or less ships ) The british built more of them than anyone else and had more types and sizes from 120 gun 1st raters to 21 gun corvettes. There was also one other type that was built. That was the sidewheel frigate.




HMS Birkenhead, also referred to as HM Troopship Birkenhead or steam frigate Birkenhead,http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Birkenhead_(1845)#cite_note-Lucas-2 was one of the first iron-hulled ships built for the Royal Navy.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Birkenhead_(1845)#cite_note-Fireside-3 She was designed as a frigate, but was converted to a troopship before being commissioned.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Birkenhead_(1845)#cite_note-iron-0

Spoiler :

 

[Civinator]

The most needed units of your list in my eyes are:

1. Helgoland class battleship
2. Mogami CA
3. Tone heavy cruiser
4. SMS Erzherzog Karl
5. HMS Implacable, British fleet aircraft carrier
6. Generic WW1 Destroyer
7. Generic WW1 Light Cruiser
8. Kongo BB
9. SMS Tegetthoff Dreadnought
10.Generic WW1 seaplane tender
11. Gangut class battleship; done by Wyrmshadow, but here an improvement wouldn´t be wrong

Most other ships of your list were done by Wyrmshadow.

 

[Civinator]

The Guardian, as far as I know, from your proposals, the Georgios Averof (Orthanc), the U.S.S. Olympia (Wyrmshadow), and the German WWI German Battle Cruiser (Goeben by Wyrmshadow) were done (so may be there would be some room for the Derfflinger)

Very, very interesting in my eyes is the world war 1 german Torpedo Boat Destroyer G101.

 

[timerover51]

HMS Birkenhead, also referred to as HM Troopship Birkenhead or steam frigate Birkenhead, She was designed as a frigate, but was converted to a troopship before being commissioned.

She was used as a troopship after trials by the HMS Excellent, the Royal Navy gunnery school, demonstrated that her iron hull was highly vulnerable to the standard round shot fired by a smoothbore cannon. The iron was wrought iron plates of between one-half inch and one inch in thickness, with no additional backing or support. When subject to impact from a 68 pound round shot or 32 pound round shot, the iron would shatter, leaving a large jagged hole that was very difficult to plug or repair, with the plate producing copious metal splinters that were quite dangerous to any person in the area. I have records of the tests somewhere in my files. Further tests in the 1850s demonstrated that to avoid the problem of the plate shattering on impact, a plate needed to be at least 3 and preferably 4 inches thick, and backed by 8 to 12 inches of wood. The early wrought iron plates tended to be fairly brittle under impact stress. Wrought iron is also highly sensitive to temperature, becoming very brittle and subject to shattering when subject to impact as the air temperature approaches freezing. A plate that was highly resistant at a temperature of 70 degree Fahrenheit could shatter under the same impact when the air temperature was about freezing. Plate quality was uneven as well. Tests on the Warriors plates when restored indicated a very wide variance in quality, with the best plates being twice as strong and resistant as the worst plates.

The Schlachtkreuzer in Guardian's post is most definitely NOT a German WW1 Battlecruiser, but is a model of a pre-Dreadnought battleship, but I will need to do some checking if it is actually a model of any pre-Dreadnought. No German pre-Dreadnought had 4 funnels, and the arrangement of guns at the bow is not correct either. If I can identify what ship it is I will post it and also post if I determine that it is a generic ship.

Added Note: The G101 class were a group of 4 destroyers that were being built for Argentina before the war and were taken over by the German Navy in 1914. They were larger than the standard German "high seas torpedo boat" and were called destroyers in the German service. Their armament was originally four 8.8cm (3.45 inch) KL/45 guns, and six 50cm (19.7 inch) Torpedo tubes (two single tubes and two twin tube launchers). The four 8.8cm guns were replaced by four 10.5cm (4.1 inch) guns in 1916, as a result of the experience of the Battle of Jutland, where the German destroyers were out-gunned by the larger English destroyers, who were equipped with 4 inch guns. The entire class survived the war.

 

[Civinator]

The Schlachtkreuzer in Guardian's post is most definitely NOT a German WW1 Battlecruiser, but is a model of a pre-Dreadnought battleship, but I will need to do some checking if it is actually a model of any pre-Dreadnought. No German pre-Dreadnought had 4 funnels, and the arrangement of guns at the bow is not correct either. If I can identify what ship it is I will post it and also post if I determine that it is a generic ship.

The German Panzerkreuzer Scharnhorst and Gneisenau (WWI !) were also done by Wyrmshadow. I remember something, that Wyrmshadow has resized his units, that originally were much too long.

 

[El Justo]

subscribed i can provide lists if needed, tom. you're the man, btw

 

[Wotan49]

SMS Helgoland (Civ4)




Large German torpedo boat 1916 class 2000t 108 m length
V116 Transferred to the Italian Navy after WW1 (1920) as Premuda
S113 Transferred to the French Navy after WW1 (1920)as Amiral Sénès

French large destroyer model following

would be a worthwhile unit

Wotan49

 

[timerover51]

The German Panzerkreuzer Scharnhorst and Gneisenau (WWI !) were also done by Wyrmshadow. I remember something, that Wyrmshadow has resized his units, that originally were much too long.

The four funnels and twin turrets fore and aft are correct for the Scharnhorst armored cruiser, but there is a vast difference between an "armored cruiser" and a "battlecruiser". Scharnhorst did not have any bow armament, and had only three 15cm (5.9 inch) guns on each beam in the main deck secondary battery, not 5. Her main armament was eight 21cm (8.2 inch) guns in 2 twin turrets fore and aft and 2 casement mounts on either beam. Her broadside was six 21cm and three 15cm guns. If you put these ships in the game as historical units, they would need to be classed as "elite" as they were the top gunnery ships in the German Imperial Navy. Given the pounding they took from the British Battlecruisers Invincible and Inflexible at the Battle of the Falkland Islands in December of 1914, they probably should receive 2 additional hit points, over and above the elite rating.

 

[timerover51]

For any one that is interested in making a WW1 Seaplane tender, I would recommend the drawings in Norman Friedman's book, British Carrier Aviation. They are excellent.

 

[general-jcl]

I would appreciate to have this unit for the update of my barbarossa scenario:
-Shchuka Class Sub

...we have few soviet subs i think

 

[mrniceguy101]

What kind of fee would one be looking at if they wanted to commission a model for the purposes of it being rendered into a Civ3 unit that fits this time line?

 

[The Guardian]

What kind of fee would one be looking at if they wanted to commission a model for the purposes of it being rendered into a Civ3 unit that fits this time line?

Let's see, I would guess somewhere between $0.00 - $500.00.

There are lots of free models available and we have more modeling artist here now with greater and greater skills than ever before. We have lost some that are sorely missed and gratefully we have some that have been honing and improving their skills for more than a decade and others that have just recently started. Post a picture of the unit you want in the unit request thread and see what turns up. There are lots of 3d modeling sights on the net, you can try there also.

 

[tom2050]

eric_A IJN Kumano http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=12607

I didn't even know those were there. I can do the Kumano.. need more Japanese ships, I found myself running very short of them with my personal WW2 mod.

If you can DL that warrior model and make three different versions of different size only ( small, medium, and large ), that would be usable for about 60% of all steam frigates built.

If that's the case, then that might be a good start.

The most needed units of your list in my eyes are:

......

11. Gangut class battleship; done by Wyrmshadow, but here an improvement wouldn´t be wrong

Most other ships of your list were done by Wyrmshadow.

Thanks, I knew some of them Wyrmshadow has done already, but forgot which ones. I'll try to remove the duplicates. I thought the Gangut was done already, I couldn't remember. I'm sure you know improving upon Wyrmshadows units usually isn't possible!

Added Note: The G101 class were a group of 4 destroyers that were being built for Argentina before the war and were taken over by the German Navy in 1914....

Good info! I'll add G101 to the list.

I remember something, that Wyrmshadow has resized his units, that originally were much too long.

Wyrmshadow sent me his scaling method, so I'll try my best to keep consistency.

subscribed i can provide lists if needed, tom. you're the man, btw

Complete lists of most-needed units? A list would be good, then I can match up available models to it on 1st post.



Helgoland is almost done... except for the run. struggling to figure out how to make a nicer ship wake. Particles are only so good alone, unless I setup a Particle Flow system (ughhh..).

 

[Delta_Strife]

Tom I also have a ton of reference material and pictures of ships from WW1 and WW2. So if you need pictures or info I can probably find it for that time period as well as before or after.

Also if anyone else needs info on warships I can try and help.