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Adler17 said:
Excellent news!

Adler

Adler,

Yes, hopefully this will give me time to rework all unit-stats.
The huge-map version should be much, much more interesting to play.

Rocoteh
 
One thing that is unrelated to the beta test, but which came to my mind:

Can you trade connect Kopenhagen to Oslo and Malmö, please? After all without trade across the Skagarak, Operation Weserübung is somewhat futile.
 
IarnGreiper said:
One thing that is unrelated to the beta test, but which came to my mind:

Can you trade connect Kopenhagen to Oslo and Malmö, please? After all without trade across the Skagarak, Operation Weserübung is somewhat futile.

IarnGreiper,

OK, I will find a solution for that problem.

Rocoteh
 
Rocoteh said:
Bob1475,

Yes I think this analyse is right.

As said in the post before this, probably we will have to
accept that AI is not very smart when it comes to handle
large overseas campaigns.

Its said that AI in CIV IV shall be much better.
Well let us hope...

Rocoteh

Bob1475, Rocoteh,

Thanks for the update.

in my playtest the US was doing quite well with navy expecially since it had to build it from scratch. So there's hope there!
 
oljb007 said:
Rocoteh,

Looking forward to playing the latest release. Worst case scenario, next saturday i'll put some time into it.

thanks

oljb007,

No problem.

Playtest-reports from this BETA with all units placed will
be of crucial value for the quality of the first regular version
with the new map.

Rocoteh
 
Beta 1.8 Huge - Japan - Emperor

Presuming that most will test with Germany I decided to go with Japan. I am still in the first turn but unless I have missed something Japan will not be able to produce its best unit - Japanes marine SNLF - until Japan takes Mandalay or ChangMai. Even then they will not be able to produce on the Home Islands. It might be easier to take Davao but again without trading by sea/air this will not help. It would appear that the rubber placed near Yenan in the 2.0 and earlier versions is not there. I believe the result will be very limited advances by Japanese. Will let you know.

EDIT - Rocoteh - I see that the Japanese cities on the mainland have no buildings. Was this your intent or is Japan not ready for playtest?
 
Bob1475 said:
Beta 1.8 Huge - Japan - Emperor

Presuming that most will test with Germany I decided to go with Japan. I am still in the first turn but unless I have missed something Japan will not be able to produce its best unit - Japanes marine SNLF - until Japan takes Mandalay or ChangMai. Even then they will not be able to produce on the Home Islands. It might be easier to take Davao but again without trading by sea/air this will not help. It would appear that the rubber placed near Yenan in the 2.0 and earlier versions is not there. I believe the result will be very limited advances by Japanese. Will let you know.

EDIT - Rocoteh - I see that the Japanese cities on the mainland have no buildings. Was this your intent or is Japan not ready for playtest?

Bob1475,

This will be very interesting to follow!

If you capture Padang you will find that you can import rubber
from Sumatra to Tokyo since Padang has an air-trade wonder.
However its possible the Japanese home islands should have
a rubber resource.

On buildings in Japanese controlled China:
Its by intention: The level of industrial development was low
in these areas 1939.

Thank you and welcome back.

Rocoteh
 
Rocoteh,
I dared to change the beta 1.8 map as following:

Copenhagen, Malmö and Oslo have been given clones of the Padang wonder. I think this will change the problem of trade across the Skagarak. As with the historical Operation Wesenübung, Germany can take advantage of the rich Scandinavian resources when it takes over Copenhagen and Oslo (or as alternative Malmö).
As a side effect the Netherlands can trade with both Sweden and Norway for a few tuns but that should not be much of an issue.
 
IarnGreiper said:
Rocoteh,
I dared to change the beta 1.8 map as following:

Copenhagen, Malmö and Oslo have been given clones of the Padang wonder. I think this will change the problem of trade across the Skagarak. As with the historical Operation Wesenübung, Germany can take advantage of the rich Scandinavian resources when it takes over Copenhagen and Oslo (or as alternative Malmö).
As a side effect the Netherlands can trade with both Sweden and Norway for a few tuns but that should not be much of an issue.

IarnGreiper,

That is very good.

I have thought of the above mentioned as a solution
to be implemented in BETA 1.9.

Rocoteh
 
Beta 1.8 Huge - Japan - Emperor

The challenge for the Japanese empire is to obtain rubber. Rubber is the key to creation of one of our most powerful units - Japanese marine SNLF. Accordingly we have set our first objective (other than defense of the home islands) to be taking Mandalay which will allow us to develop SNLF units on the mainland.

Week 36 - Repositioned bombers towards mainland. Set to build workers (no RR on the home island!). Moving infantry and our two Marines to the transports. Set out two Carriers with support to seek out US fleet.

Chinese redeploying troops towards Nanking and Canton.

Week37-38 Naval activity and contact with US battleships. US BBs withdraw but are replaced with swarms of destroyers and subs. We lose two carriers to subs. Most of our fleet remains near home islands. Chinese sending swarms of infantry against Canton. We have set our forward infantry in position to force Chinese towards gap between Nanking and Shanghai. Resulting stacks of Chinese infantry are destroyed by our unopposed air forces.

Preparing for advance along coast to link up with Canton.

Germany takes out Poland in week 39.

Week 40 - We take Nangpo as first step in our large left hook.
Germany eliminates Denmark.

Week 41 - Spain attacks Italy - interesting!

Week 42 our march continues as we take Amoy. (During this time Chinese continue to send stacks towards Canton. Chinese Comms maneuver and attempt their own left hook against Kalgan. Again, however we destroy successive attempts with our bombers.
Meanwhile we continue defensive naval action against waves of US units. We seem to be holding our own while we build up infrastructure in the home islands. Chinese mainland requires significant infrastructure as we don't even have barracks or temples. We build these along with workers and expect unit production (except for an original production of 12 infantry to begin shortly.

Weeks 43-52 - Production of units begins as we call our offensive to a halt waiting for more units for the plunge ahead. Naval action heavy with British,French,Dutch and waves of Americans. Americans have begun to pull back from the North, probed South and are now pounding Okinawa with BBs and Truk with airforces off carriers.

Home islands now producing bombers and Yamatos will come on line by year-end.

Spain and Germany at peace by week 52.

Week 1 - 1940 - Our offensive will now go into high gear as Chinese seem to expended all available units against our positions.

Week 2 - We take Nanning.

Week 4 - Hanoi falls to our forces. We now have sufficient forces to march to Mandalay but we see this will be slow through jungle. Accordingly we have set loose our Northern force.

Week 8 - Yenan and Wuhan fall.

Week 9 - Mandalay taken. Prepare for British counterattack. We must build roads to link up with the rest of our cities.

Week 10 - Lanchow falls.

Rocoteh - Of course this all took place without knowledge of the Padang option. Not sure I would have gone with that in any case. It is a long trip against unknown British naval forces. Certainly something to consider.

I am sure others would have done better with naval forces.

I like the low development on the continent and the lack of RRs and even roads makes it interesting. Some consideration for at least a few RRs on home islands is something to consider.

More to come.
 
Bob1475,

Thank you for the report.

"Beta 1.8 Huge - Japan - Emperor

The challenge for the Japanese empire is to obtain rubber. Rubber is the key to creation of one of our most powerful units - Japanese marine SNLF. Accordingly we have set our first objective (other than defense of the home islands) to be taking Mandalay which will allow us to develop SNLF units on the mainland."
Bob1475

At one time I considered to make the SNLF autoproduction only. However I
think the current situation is better.

"Most of our fleet remains near home islands."
Bob1475

I think that is a good idea.

"Week 41 - Spain attacks Italy - interesting!"
Bob1475

Yes I agree!

"Week 9 - Mandalay taken. Prepare for British counterattack. We must build roads to link up with the rest of our cities."
Bob1475

A fast operation!

Rocoteh - Of course this all took place without knowledge of the Padang option. Not sure I would have gone with that in any case. It is a long trip against unknown British naval forces. Certainly something to consider.
Bob1475

Yes that is right. The strategic situation is no way easy for Japan.

I like the low development on the continent and the lack of RRs and even roads makes it interesting. Some consideration for at least a few RRs on home islands is something to consider.
Bob1475

I will probably implement that in BETA 1.9.

Thank you and welcome back.

Rocoteh
 
Bob1475 said:
Beta 1.8 Huge - Japan - Emperor

Week37-38 Naval activity and contact with US battleships. US BBs withdraw but are replaced with swarms of destroyers and subs. We lose two carriers to subs. Most of our fleet remains near home islands. Chinese sending swarms of infantry against Canton. We have set our forward infantry in position to force Chinese towards gap between Nanking and Shanghai. Resulting stacks of Chinese infantry are destroyed by our unopposed air forces.

Your were right, your naval action was a little rough? did you loose many planes when the carriers went down?

However, your land campaign seems to be going extremely well.

Home islands now producing bombers and Yamatos will come on line by year-end.

Im slightly confused, does that mean you will have produced your first Yamato by the end of 39 or 40?

Weeks 43-52 - ...Americans have begun to pull back from the North, probed South and are now pounding Okinawa with BBs and Truk with airforces off carriers.

This is extremely nice to hear as it shows the AI actually doing something sorta right. It is similar to my experience in the N. Atlantic as Germany; the US AI is aggressive and "decent" in its operations.
 
Week 36 Poland surrenders (learning curve, I can do this blindfolded now if I don t happed to recieve a bad streak with the random number generator), digging in on the western front
Week 37 Denmark surrenders, we build our first transport at the cost of some other naval units, our Kampfgruppe Poland turned south, total defense on the western front
French capture Torino at heavy losses. I expect them to have lost about 16 divisions there. Many British and French planes shot down over the Reich.
Week 38 Captured Malmo by surprise. A large portion of the Spanish navu is now cut off in the north sea. The rest is decimated.
 
IarnGreiper said:
Week 36 Poland surrenders (learning curve, I can do this blindfolded now if I don t happed to recieve a bad streak with the random number generator), digging in on the western front
Week 37 Denmark surrenders, we build our first transport at the cost of some other naval units, our Kampfgruppe Poland turned south, total defense on the western front
French capture Torino at heavy losses. I expect them to have lost about 16 divisions there. Many British and French planes shot down over the Reich.
Week 38 Captured Malmo by surprise. A large portion of the Spanish navu is now cut off in the north sea. The rest is decimated.

IarnGreiper,

Thank you for the report.

I think this report shows an important weakness AI has:
Its not able to conduct a logic consequent strategic defense.

Instead it use resources for counterattacks that will lead to
marginal results.

Looking forward to follow how this turns out.

Welcome back.

Rocoteh
 
I fully agree with your analysis Rocoteh

week 39 took Belgrade, annilihated the Swedish navy but a single WW1 destroyer which escaped

week 40 French took Milan. The air raids over the Reich become much less of an issue. The Reich finished off Yugoslavia, our UBs took out 3 British carriers and 3 destroyers.
 
Beta 1.8 Huge - Japan - Emperor

Update from week 10 1940 report

Week 11 Chang-sa taken as we begin to "fill-in" our conquest of China.
Launched first Yamato (think that answers the question - I orginally thought it would be end of 1939 but deferred production)

Week 13 - We take Ansi and Kweilen, Chinese defense very weak (or is it that I have not played on Emperor for a while on this scenario?)
Launched first Shokaku class carrier!

Week 14 - Liuzhou falls

Weel 15 - Si Chou falls
British launching air attacks against Mandalay - I have no effective defense so must simply "take it" until I can build Anti-aircraft battery

Week 16 Kunming is ours

Week 17 Road completed to Mandalay - Rubber now available in all mainland cities - Production shifting to marines!

Our Yamatos (now 2 and 2 more during the next few weeks result in essentialy clearing out US naval units except for nuisance raids. We have not moved forward in the Pacific but clearly have hurt the Americans.

Another pause as we focus on Hong Kong

Week 22 - Urumsti taken
Week 23 - Lhasa falls
Week 24 - Hong Kong is ours!

We now face a crossroads having met our first goal of taking and holding rubber (AI not bombing the rubber?!).

We need to determine next offensive targets while watching the Bear to the North. A look around the globe shows some surprising things -

Europe - Most of France and the lowlands is a wasteland! I count 12 (twelve!) razed cities including Paris, Brussels and Marseilles! In fact, only former French city now standing is Lyon (held by the Germans of course!). This is very surprising and disappointing especially considering the larger size of the map. I cannot understand German reason for all this razing (assuming it was the Germans - they have lost a number of potentially productive cities!

German hold Milan - presumably taken from the French, all of Poland (no razing here) and Copenhagen. On Spanish city razed. Gibraltar razed. No other changed in Europe.

Africa - British have taken over all of the Northern Italian cities but Italy still holds its East African cities (perhaps Japanese pressure has forced rerouting of British resources?)

Not much else to report. High command will consider various options includingL

Taking Hawaii
On to India!
On to Jakarta!
Attack on Russia!


Rocoteh - One thing I do not understand but Japanese cities on Home Islands now have rubber available? I thought sea and air resource movement disabled? If it is not I would have gone for the Phillipines.
 
week 41 update : heavy battles in southwest Austria between France, Italy and Germany. The Reich secures Goeteburg and Stockholm. Ningpo destrozed/razed.

week 42: Thessaloniki joins the Reich, France captures northern Italy

week 43: intense fighting between Venice and Zagreb. France did not make any progress into German controlled Yugoslavia. Amoy razed by the Japanese. Lulea secured by the Wehrmacht. Finnish and German troops rally for the remains of Sweden. The admiral Scheer is coordinating our UB fleet near the Shetland Islands.

The Hauptquatier is going to give the order for Fall gelb and rot soon. The French are far overstretched and lack any coordinated airforce. However we need our forces bound at the Balcans to secure what we plan to conquer.
 
Bob1475,

Thank you for the report.

"Week 13 - We take Ansi and Kweilen, Chinese defense very weak (or is it that I have not played on Emperor for a while on this scenario?)"
Bob1475

Maybe they are to weak. I will look over this.

"British launching air attacks against Mandalay - I have no effective defense so must simply "take it" until I can build Anti-aircraft battery"
Bob1475

Interesting move from AI.

"Week 22 - Urumsti taken
Week 23 - Lhasa falls
Week 24 - Hong Kong is ours!"
Bob1475

This goes fast!

"Europe - Most of France and the lowlands is a wasteland! I count 12 (twelve!) razed cities including Paris, Brussels and Marseilles! In fact, only former French city now standing is Lyon (held by the Germans of course!). This is very surprising and disappointing especially considering the larger size of the map. I cannot understand German reason for all this razing (assuming it was the Germans - they have lost a number of potentially productive cities!"
Bob1475

This is very bad news. However only a fraction of those wonders that
were placed in version 2.0 have been placed here. I will give first priority
to placing wonders now. Hopefully this will have heavy impact with
regard to BETA 1.9.
Anyway city-razing as you describe here above is a very, very
weak aspect of AI!

"Africa - British have taken over all of the Northern Italian cities but Italy still holds its East African cities (perhaps Japanese pressure has forced rerouting of British resources?)"
Bob1475

Yes I think that is a correct analyse.

Not much else to report. High command will consider various options includingL

"Taking Hawaii
On to India!
On to Jakarta!
Attack on Russia!"
Bob1475

Looking forward to hear which options you choose.

"Rocoteh - One thing I do not understand but Japanese cities on Home Islands now have rubber available? I thought sea and air resource movement disabled? If it is not I would have gone for the Phillipines."
Bob1475

Tokyo have a wonder with air-trade though. It must have been connected
to another city with such a wonder.

Thank you and welcome back.


Rocoteh
 
IarnGreiper,

Thank you for the report.

"week 40 French took Milan. The air raids over the Reich become much less of an issue. The Reich finished off Yugoslavia, our UBs took out 3 British carriers and 3 destroyers."
IarnGreiper

The early bombing-raids from British AI seems to be pointless.

"week 42: Thessaloniki joins the Reich, France captures northern Italy"
IarnGreiper

This "strike at Italy early" strategy France-AI has is not very smart.

"week 43: intense fighting between Venice and Zagreb. France did not make any progress into German controlled Yugoslavia. Amoy razed by the Japanese. Lulea secured by the Wehrmacht. Finnish and German troops rally for the remains of Sweden. The admiral Scheer is coordinating our UB fleet near the Shetland Islands"
IarnGreiper

A fast advance in Scandinavia.

"The Hauptquatier is going to give the order for Fall gelb and rot soon. The French are far overstretched and lack any coordinated airforce. However we need our forces bound at the Balcans to secure what we plan to conquer."
IarnGreiper

I am looking forward to follow the campaign in France.

Thank you and welcome back.

Rocoteh
 
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