WW2-Global

[Adler17]

Psycho, the 2nd ship of the Graf Zeppelin class was never launched. So it is not known what name it should have got, as well as my third Bismarck class ship. So I decided to take names which were similar. That means I take names of ships which belonged to the type in the Imperial Navy. The carrier is indeed another topic. Since there were no carrier in the Imperial Navy... (well if you leave the SMS Ausonia project aside...(Ausonia was an Italian passenger liner which was built at Blohm & Voss when war broke out. In 1918 the ship should become the first carrier of the world. however the cease fire stopped the plan: http://www.german-navy.de/hochseeflotte/ships/misc/ausonia/history.html) However Lilienthal was like Zeppelin a pioneer in the aerial flight techniques. So I chose his name. However there were plans to rebuilt passanger ships into carrier (Potsdam, Europa and Gneisenau (NOT the BB!!!) or even cruiser (de Grasse (captured incomplete French CL) and Seydlitz (nearly completed as Prinz Eugen class CA redesigned as CVL; never completed thanks to Hitler).
Oh Rocoteh, when the war started Panzerschiff Deutschland was NOT renamed and reclassified as CA Lützow!

Adler

 

[Adler17]

Week 20, part 1:
U 95, type IX, sinks an Argentine DD.
Sayhut taken.

Adler

P.S.: Operation Hercules: A transport, guarded from Z 17 Diether von Roeder, landed invasion troops. I lost an Elite infantry unit, but Malta is mine!!! Off the North American coast, Halifax, CL Nürnberg, Königsberg, Z 14 and Z 23 attack 4 Argentine DD. No losses, Z 23 Elite!

 

[KristiB]

I'll be honest here, guys...

I think it's fine that you want all the ships/unit names to match up historically, but, speaking for myself, I'd much rather Roco spend his time working on the scenario AND the large world map rather than researching ship names... Let's face it, whatever that ship you are talking about at the time probably isn't going to survive past 1939 after the AI ends it's turn next to the land and it gets the snot bombed out of it...

Just saying giving Roco TOO many details might not be helping matters in the long run...

my 2 cents

 

[Rocoteh]

I'll be honest here, guys...

I think it's fine that you want all the ships/unit names to match up historically, but, speaking for myself, I'd much rather Roco spend his time working on the scenario AND the large world map rather than researching ship names... Let's face it, whatever that ship you are talking about at the time probably isn't going to survive past 1939 after the AI ends it's turn next to the land and it gets the snot bombed out of it...

Just saying giving Roco TOO many details might not be helping matters in the long run...

my 2 cents

KristiB,

No problem.

I am working with the graphic expansion right now.

Ship names do not consume much time.

This is not my first scenario........

Rocoteh

 

[Rocoteh]

My first goal is to secure oil, rubber, and aluminum. I decided to do that by taking the resouces in Chinese territory (both Communist and regular China). I've gotten 2 of the 3 resources so far, as aluminum is still further South. Once I secure aluminum, I am not sure what my next path will be. I'm working on getting my cities in Asia productive so my mainland can concentrate on navy and air force, but that's still a good ways off.

I do want to invade Australia and control everything in the Pacific eventually (including Hawaii). Before I launch that invasion fleet, I need finish taking the Phillipines (only Davao is left), then draft up another infantry force and take Indonesia and the islands off Australia. That is, of course, assuming I don't need re-inforcements in Asia. If my air force keeps up it's successes in Asia, I should be fine. I got Chengtu down to 1 redlined infantry before my tank army attacked.

Once my invasion force drives far enough south to control aluminum, I plan to stop and re-evaluate my position to figure out where I go next. That won't happen though until I kick Britian out of Hong Kong too. That assumes too that the Soviets don't invade (they have been VERY quiet up there even though we are at war).

allin1joe,

It sounds like a very good initial strategy.

To secure resources is number one priority for Japan.
I doubt Soviet will attack.

In version 1.4 there will be a new
infantry-graphic for China and Communist-China.

Rocoteh

 

[Adler17]

Costs of German warships in Reichsmark:

Graf Zeppelin: 92,7
Admiral Scheer: 90,0
K- class CL: 38,0
CL Nürnberg: 40,0
Bismarck: 196,8
Gneisenau: 146,2
Scharnhorst: 143,4
Prinz Eugen: 104,5
Admiral Hipper: 85,5

Adler

 

[allin1joe]

Japanese playtest ...

Week 47, 1939
Counter Offensive

Destroyed
American -- 1 Destroyer

Lost
1 Destroyer

Norway/Denmark signs peace with Axis.

Week 48, 1939

Destroyed

Communist China -- 3 Infantry
China -- 1 Infantry
America -- 5 Light cruisers, 3 Subs

Lost
1 Sub

Counter

Spain attacked Italy drawing us into war with them.
Greece signs a peace treaty with Italy.

Week 49, 1939
Destroyed

Communist China -- 2 Infantry
China -- 1 Marine
American -- 8 Destroyers, 2 Subs, 1 Heavy Cruiser, 1 Light Cruiser, 1 Transport (was on it's way to the mainland).

Lost
1 Light Cruiser, 2 Destroyers (were sent up against the American Battleships to scratch them.)

Counter

Destroyed
American -- 2 Destroyers

Lost
2 Battleships(redlined the attacking Battleships), 1 Light Cruiser, 1 Sub.

I have my Battleships in position to counter attack. I didn't want to do a 2-2 swap, but I'll have to live with it.

Week 50, 1939

Destroyed

American -- 1 Light Cruiser, 2 Battleships, 16 Subs, 7 Destroyers
Chinese -- 7 Infantry. Chungking captured.

Lost
1 Light Cruiser, 2 Destroyers

Making progress on the mainland slowly. Factories built in a lot of cities, and starting on coal plants. I hope to have the mainland producing tanks and/or marines in 5-6 turns. Tokyo is building the Heroic Epic right now. That was my only troop producing city, but I figured the 3 turn pause would be worth it.

 

[Rocoteh]

Adler,

Thank you for the report.

"Week 17:
Vorogovo and Lucknow are mine now. US took South Sachalin!!!
U 85 meets HMS London and HMS Glorious in the Red Sea but is sunk by HMS London. However, only 2 HP left for her. U 10 finishes the job. U 31, the other Elite boat, sinks Glorious. With the loss of these ships, the RN is practically anhiliated, since only 3 TR remain." Adler

That is a very strong result!

"Krasnoyarsk taken. Obdorsk is taken by the SS. A French (!) tank spotted near Sian by my Me 109 recce plane. it is at once attacked by my Stukas and destroyed. Nagpur is mine. It seems India will fall very fast." Adler

This is really a rapid expansion.

"Oh Rocoteh, when the war started Panzerschiff Deutschland was NOT renamed and reclassified as CA Lützow!" Adler

Yes, I am aware of that.

"Costs of German warships in Reichsmark:

Graf Zeppelin: 92,7
Admiral Scheer: 90,0
K- class CL: 38,0
CL Nürnberg: 40,0
Bismarck: 196,8
Gneisenau: 146,2
Scharnhorst: 143,4
Prinz Eugen: 104,5
Admiral Hipper: 85,5"

These stats are very interesting!
Thank you.

Welcome back.

Rocoteh

 

[Adler17]

Oh, I meant in MILLION RM!

Adler

 

[Rocoteh]

Oh, I meant in MILLION RM!

Adler

Adler,

Yes, I understand that.

Again: Very interesting stats.

For example, one must say that Prinz Eugen was costly
compared to Scharnhorst.

Rocoteh

 

[Rocoteh]

allin1joe,

Thank you for the report.

"Norway/Denmark signs peace with Axis"

I will probably split it into Norway and Denmark in version 1.4.

You still have a very good loss-ratio to US.

In version 1.4 the number of cities in the Pacific will be reduced to
increase the value of carriers.

Welcome back.

Rocoteh

 

[Adler17]

Addition of the costs:
DDs:
1934 class: 13,7
1934 A: 12,7
1936: 12,87
1936 A: 13,18

CA Blücher: 87,8
BB/CA Deutschland: 80
BB Admiral Graf Spee: 82

BB Tirpitz: 181

Torpedoboote
T 1935: 8,8
T 1937: 9,3
Flottentorpedoboot 1939 (=DD!): 5,3 (!)

Uboats:
Type XXIII SC: 0,8
Type XXI: 5,75 (which was between IX and VII, probably 5 and 6,5)

So a German U boat costed about 3 mio RM type II I think.

All in all a CA and a CV costed 90, a Panzerschiff 80, a CL 40, a DD 13 and the BBs 140- 200.

Adler

 

[Adler17]

Three ships run out of the scheme:
Bismarck, Pronz Eugen and Admiral Scheer. Bismarck was also built as flagship and prototype. So there might be patially explantion. Prinz Eugen was an enhanced Admiral Hipper class cruiser, also built partly in the war. Admiral Scheer, I don´t know.
That the ships in the war became less expansive is due to the materials which were used. More and more costly materials were rare and replaced by others. Also the ships were built in segements, pre produced. This is also another reason. But this can´t explain everything...

Adler

 

[LBPB]

Japanese playtest ...

Norway/Denmark signs peace with Axis.

I got this one too !
and even worse...
United States of America declare war on the Soviet Union !!!

I just downloaded the scenario, and playing my first game with Japan, very fun

 

[LBPB]

I plan to write a feetback of my game as soon as possible...

But right now, I've got some questions (I'm playing with Japan):
1) I'm not particulary aware of that part of history, but do really the chineses communists had some tank in the mid 1939 ?
2) Japan do not own a single artillery unit or light tank (they were pure crap but...) unit in the begining of the scenario. I guess they should have some in China...
3) USA & Commonwealth send me loads of 15-20 submarines, and more are comming ! They owned so much of them ?
4) Sardina is misplaced in the map, it should be a bit more closer to Italy
5) The maginot line should not be in the square right next to Lyon, there are mountain here, and swissland (neutral), but I assume you made that this way for gameplay, then its fine.
6) For what are really intended the Chineses cities wonders who enable diplomatic victory ? I miss the point for that...

Anyway, it's a great work !!!

 

[KristiB]

Germany v1.3 - Sid-level difficulty

Week 45, 1939 - Just finished cleansing the European continent of the Dutch, Belgians, French, Spainards, and Portugese. The vast majority of my troops are conscript infantry from the surplus population of Europe. Nice to have them have combat value after my Argentine scenario. :thumbs up: My decision now is, of course, whether to hop the Med and help out the Italians in Africa or to start a war with the Soviets...

I'm thinking I'm going to split the difference and shift my air corp to cover the Atlantic seaboard, bring most of my navy in the Lisbon/Gibralter area, and shift all ground forces east to start the war with the Soviets before their armor becomes unbearable. Not sure if I'll be able to take the Soviets as is without my air superiority but that way I should be able to intercept the Americans before they take over the Med and kick our pals the Italians around too badly. Also, the Soviets are currently at war with the Allies so they won't be able to throw their full weight against me.

The naval war to date has been one of attrition... Me losing subs to kill off their BBs and cruisers, picking off the odd destroyer here and there and using my air force mostly around the British Isles to beat on their ships that peek out.

 

[Adler17]

Week 20 part 2:
Hyderabad is mine. Calcutta is also captured. For the 2md time the British capital is mine.
In the North Polar sea off Canada a US sub is sunk by U 110. But there must be more, since they were sinking my Uboats last turn. Yes. U 110 sinks 4 further US subs. It is promoted to Elite. U 104 also when it met two other US submarines. And also U 64. However there must be still one sub at least left.
Irkutsk is hit by my Luftwaffe. Ulaan Baator taken. A Panzer division creates a new leader.
In Africa Dongola is taken.

PC turn:
Argentine CL sinks a Uboat. Another is sunk by US submarines. A British marine dies attacking a Pz IIIe in India. Chengtu is taken without resistance by the Japanese after the German Luftwaffe and Japanese airforce destroyed the defending troops there.

Adler

 

[Rocoteh]

Adler,

Thank you.

I will use these stats when I rework the current shield-costs for ships.

Its reasonable to assume that the German costs also are relevant for
other nations at the same industrial level.
The high cost for Heavy Cruisers are will be difficult to represent within
the current naval-system though. (I mean, no one would build them.)
Its possible I will make them more powerful and increase the cost to
some extent.

On the playtest:It seems that you will soon control British India.

Welcome back.

Rocoteh

 

[Rocoteh]

I plan to write a feetback of my game as soon as possible...

But right now, I've got some questions (I'm playing with Japan):
1) I'm not particulary aware of that part of history, but do really the chineses communists had some tank in the mid 1939 ?
2) Japan do not own a single artillery unit or light tank (they were pure crap but...) unit in the begining of the scenario. I guess they should have some in China...
3) USA & Commonwealth send me loads of 15-20 submarines, and more are comming ! They owned so much of them ?
4) Sardina is misplaced in the map, it should be a bit more closer to Italy
5) The maginot line should not be in the square right next to Lyon, there are mountain here, and swissland (neutral), but I assume you made that this way for gameplay, then its fine.
6) For what are really intended the Chineses cities wonders who enable diplomatic victory ? I miss the point for that...

Anyway, it's a great work !!!

LBPB,

Thank you.

1) No, its a flavour unit. It will appear later in version 1.4.

2) They have been factored in. Will be present in 1.4.

3) Yes, however AI use them in a non-historical way.

4) I will look it over.

5) Yes that is correct.

6) They are there for one reason only: To stop AI from razing cities.
It works 95% of the time.

Thank you and welcome back.

Rocoteh

 

[Rocoteh]

Germany v1.3 - Sid-level difficulty

Week 45, 1939 - Just finished cleansing the European continent of the Dutch, Belgians, French, Spainards, and Portugese. The vast majority of my troops are conscript infantry from the surplus population of Europe. Nice to have them have combat value after my Argentine scenario. :thumbs up: My decision now is, of course, whether to hop the Med and help out the Italians in Africa or to start a war with the Soviets...

I'm thinking I'm going to split the difference and shift my air corp to cover the Atlantic seaboard, bring most of my navy in the Lisbon/Gibralter area, and shift all ground forces east to start the war with the Soviets before their armor becomes unbearable. Not sure if I'll be able to take the Soviets as is without my air superiority but that way I should be able to intercept the Americans before they take over the Med and kick our pals the Italians around too badly. Also, the Soviets are currently at war with the Allies so they won't be able to throw their full weight against me.

The naval war to date has been one of attrition... Me losing subs to kill off their BBs and cruisers, picking off the odd destroyer here and there and using my air force mostly around the British Isles to beat on their ships that peek out.

KristiB,

Thank you for the report.

A very good start for the playtest what I can see.

I think you will find that the Soviets are not to hard to deal with.
Its only in playtests where Germany is AI-control that Soviet
is problem. However I think I have solved that problem in 1.4.

Looking forward to follow this playtest.

Welcome back.

Rocoteh