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[R&F] Your first game of Rise and Fall?

Discussion in 'Civ6 - General Discussions' started by TheSpaceCowboy, Jan 19, 2018.

  1. drubell

    drubell Chieftain

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    Maybe I'm just dumb but what do I need to do to let me build a Tier 1 government building? I built a government plaza and I expected that would let me build a government building in that city but there's no option to in the city that I built the government plaza in. Civilopedia gives me no information on what I'm lacking.
     
  2. MrRadar

    MrRadar Chieftain

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    I picked Wilhelmina, emperor, standard speed and standard size fractal map, all random AI.
    Played to t55 before leaving for work.
    Met Vilnius and La Venta early enough to have a bonus envoy in both, La Venta gave me pantheon, but nicked one barb camp for +3 era score :mad:. Now I have 6 turns left until Classical, which has a good chance to be pretty dark. Will be an interesting experience :)
    Also met Alex and Jarvy-man, quite far, both went sour with me within a few turns and denounced. Well, SOBs, say thanks to all that distance between us, I'll have to expand peacefully, for now.
    Btw., the pantheon giving faith on tiles with high appeal looks quite interesting, picked it to try out.

    The saddest thing in all this is that I'll have to put this game and all R&F excitement on ice for a whole week now. Never a skiing holiday had such an average appeal for me.:undecide:
     
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  3. Uberfrog

    Uberfrog Warlord

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    I think you also need a Tier 1 Government (Political Philosophy civic). That should be it.
     
  4. drubell

    drubell Chieftain

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    Right, thank you.

    Hm, I was hoping to stick with 2 cities until getting the Ancestral Hall before spamming settlers with free builders but between needing to open Political Philosophy and building the hall itself, that really delays my expansion.
     
  5. Uberfrog

    Uberfrog Warlord

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    Don't worry, the Ancestral Hall combined with Colonisation is powerful enough that you'll catch up.
     
  6. Craig_Sutter

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    Playing Cree, continents map, large size, epic speed. Georgia, Japan, England and Arabia share my continent. Perhaps about 7 or 8 city states too. Japan has forward settled me twice... both cities quickly became free and then jumped to me. Slightly later, both England and Arabia DoW me... but Arabia is too far and having difficulty with my city state ally near him. I go up and grab a barbarian settler (from England I think) and pillage Manchester and London until she gives a good peace... then I mosey over to Arabia and capture a settler (escorted) and then Cairo... send the diplmatic governor to Cairo and settle the settler by a nearby wonder. A little worried my two half empires are so far apart, but now have a road connection between my four main cities and my Arabia holdings (2 cities). Cree is fun... but we'll see.

    I have seen 2 Japanese cities flip and 1 English (to Georgia). The Japanese overextended themselves forward settling for sure... didn't see the Brits, but likely did as well. The loyalty problems were immediate upon settling.
     
  7. Archon_Wing

    Archon_Wing Vote for me or die

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    Just something really basic to try out all the mechanics. Randomed Pericles on a Normal Continents map, King difficulty. The maps are less crammed which is good, meaning rushing isn't as much as a thing anymore hopefully though I did kill a CS early on and later rushed out Germany with horsemen. The diplomacy is more sane now and warmunger penalities wear out much faster which is a good thing. One thing that was troublesome was conquered cities immediately rebelling which means I can't just conquer quickly and move on to the next. Later attacked Victoria and her cities starting to revolt. Overall though, haven't really made good use out of loyalty yet.

    Oh yea, i don't like the population numbers for the cities. It's kinda hard to read.

    The AI is still unfortunately bad at combat and seems to still take too long to build walls with obsolete units. Whatever.

    Poundmaker took my CS which sucked, but then the emergency popped up and for once, liberating the CS turned out to be a good idea. I only had 3k gold before this. Too bad I didn't build Big Ben later....



    Spies, spies, spies.


    There was also that cool feature for Reyna that lets you build a new spaceport for 7k gold. That's sorta underwhelming but I guess if the land is bad that'd be nice. Won cultural anyways and had 2 alliances. Peter's expired near the end and wouldn't renew. :S And then Harald actually denounced me most of the game until I had a few ships.

     
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  8. Janskey

    Janskey Chieftain

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    I just started a game as the Cree. Only took prince difficulty so I can mess around with the new mechanics. Been working my rear end off to make some free time for playing, so the expansion better be good :)
     
  9. Aussie_Lurker

    Aussie_Lurker Chieftain

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    Well, I tried a random Civ, Huge Continents map, Epic Speed, Prince Difficulty. Ended up playing Victoria......the leader I have the biggest crush on.
     
  10. Disgustipated

    Disgustipated Warlord

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    Wish I could play at work. Several more hours to go. :(

    Ghenghis is waiting for me to guide him on a path to total conquest.
     
  11. V. Soma

    V. Soma CFC Staff

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    after hours of crashes and not being able to start RF - now I began with the Mongols, played 5 turns... and now I have to go to work...
     
  12. Trengilly

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    First game playing as the Zulu on a standard continents map . . . and I end up alone on a large island with only Zanzibar to keep me company! :lol: But there is room for a dozen cities on my large island and its a very nice start.

    Eventually am visited Indonesia, Khmer, and Norway and we end up in one big love fest alliance. I may finish with a 100% peaceful Zulu science victory.

    Governors and era system have been a lot of fun.
     
  13. iammaxhailme

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    My first game

    Me: Netherlands
    Also on map: The other 8 new leaders, nobody else
    Size: Huge (so 12 size, a bit more spread out than usual since there are 9 players, but I usually do this anyway)
    Map: Continents
    Difficulty: 5
    Speed: Standard
     
  14. PhilBowles

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    Started my first R&F game this morning and made it through the Ancient Era before leaving for work. My normal settings - Fractal, Huge, Immortal, Random Leader (ended up being Nubia).

    Not many initial thoughts so early, but the main one is that at least this early era score takes more work than I expected to accumulate - even with an ancient unique unit (+4 score), clearing three camps (+6 score) and finding three tribal villages (+3 score), with an early suzerain bonus, I fell 5 points short of a Golden Age. Seems likely you'll need to work the map aggressively to avoid a Dark Age before dedications become available - if avoiding a Dark Age early proves important enough, this will mean early military production is more important than ever as clearing camps seems the most reliable source of early score. Seems that some things we saw in stream, like finding natural wonders, don't contribute (I got none for finding Uluru - but maybe because I wasn't the first to find it?).

    Governors seem to open up new settlement possibilities, especially Liang. Meroe is a production powerhouse with barely any food, but it's close enough to the coast and fisheries come early enough to be a good source of food. Also considering building Temple of Artemis for the food buff, though it's basically just an expensive granary. The AI so far doesn't seem to have prioritised it.

    No nearby civs - I've met Scotland (Robert speaks either early Scots or Middle English), but he's far enough away that there's room for at least three cities straight-line distance between us (overall I've so far settled three cities and set pins for three more, bordered by Yerevan and Antioch to the north and Geneva to the west), so the start algorithm appears to be producing good results.
     
  15. 3 EMS

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    First game I'm playing Georgia. Start off with a pretty good start but had the wrong game speed selected. Started over and my starting location wasn't nearly as good. At least not initially. The Mongols and Cree are really close. The Mongols bring a settler down to grab horses just to the south of me. They marched their settler right along my borders. Wanted to steal it but thought I would let it slide to play with the loyalty mechanic. Turns out that city had plenty of loyalty. They send another settler. Again right along my borders. I couldn't let this one go. They would have had 4 cities to my 2 and had me surrounded. So I stole his settler and took his third city. He really didn't put up much of a fight. Peace out and he's like the best of bros. Almost immediately. Until! He sends another settler. Again I let this one go to see what happens. Things are different this time. His new city has negative loyalty from the start. After about ten turns it becomes independent. Before I could get my troops down there it flipped to me. Free city. One with iron. I now have 6 cities to his 2.

    I put my second city right next to Mongolia's capitol. Turn about is fair play. Actually our capitols are that close. I put my first governor in it and have an archer fortified there. Loyalty is rising. It's a coastal city so I chose that governor that has the fishery improvement. I just gave her that promotion so I'm still looking forward to building one. Not counting capitol bonuses, this city will be better than Mongolia's capitol. I'm looking forward to it being able to stand on it's own.

    The loyalty mechanic has a big effect on settling. Loyalty drops off pretty quickly as you move away from your capitol. In the early game there is not too much you can do to offset it either. I used to look for resource clusters and try to settle there. Now so many of the spots I used to look for would just result in me gifting the AI a free city. Unless, maybe, I could settle. Let the city rebel then reconquer it. That would be an awful waste of resources though.

    The AI seems to be easy to make friends with. I'm friendly or neutral with all of them. Even the Mongols. After I declared on them. Stole a settler and one of their cities. Now I'm working on trying to get alliances. I had to fight the early war but Mongolia kinda pushed me into it. I'd like to be peaceful and build my space ship. If I can. I didn't get a religion. So no envoy bonus for me. I guess I'll just have to build my walls and be happy.
     
  16. GoodSarmatian

    GoodSarmatian A mad God's dying dream

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    While the war mongering against city states really annoys me, it has led to one hillarious situation.

    Pedro conquers Zanzibar.
    He's in a dark age and the city rebels.
    Gitarja conquers the free city and liberates the CS.
    Pedro attacks Zanzibar...

    The cycle has repeated three times before Gitarja finally lost patience and attacked Brazil directly.
     
  17. PhilBowles

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    In my last pre-R&F game CSes kept coming under attack - I wasn't too fussed about saving most of mine, though I did take La Venta back from the Spanish (didn't bother getting it back when the Americans then moved in to the damaged, wall-less city). But there were multiple warnings that my allies were ready to move on Zanzibar (in my territory and the one CS I was committed to keeping). I came very close to declaring war on Qin to keep it once he sent an army its way, but fortunately he declared peace and moved off after Zanzibar put up token resistance.

    I miss the Civ V ability to ask civs to make peace with specific CSes, warn them off attacking them, or at least offer them units for their defence.
     
  18. Zantetsuken

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    Killing time at work theory-crafting, I'm wondering though, who should my first Civ be? I'm currently leaning towards Scotland, though the Cree and Dutch are pretty high on the list as well. Any suggestions from those who have played so far as to who is fun or not?
     
  19. Kimiimaro

    Kimiimaro Warlord

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    Civ: Korea
    Difficulty: King
    Map: Continents
    Size: Standart
    Speed: Standart
    Pursuited victory: Science victory

    My neighbours were random. Here are all of them after finding them:
    - Peter the Great
    - Harald Hardrada
    - Montezuma
    - Trajan
    - Robert the Bruce
    - Pericles
    - Mvemba a Nzinga

    I built four cities and stole Hong Kong from Russia, who attacked it first and reduced most of its health. Before that, I got humiliated in my conquest of Kandy :crazyeye:. I made a scientific alliance with Peter the Great. Pericles and Robert the Bruce also like me, Trajan, Monty, Harald and Mvemba hate me. I reached one golden age, one normal age, and settled two cities next to two natural wonders I found: Piopiotahi and Eye of Sahara. I also built the Great Library and became suzarain of Palenque. My three governors are Pingala, Reyna and Amani.
     
  20. pgm123

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    1. Chandragupta. I ended up on a small continent or large island with Nubia and a bunch of city states. I forward settled Nubia to set up for the territorial conquest. Got few governors. Nubia conquered a city state and then surprise warred me while I was getting in the right spot. I liberated Hattusa. Got peace. Waited a bit to set up the Territorial War and did it, combined with the Warlords Throne. Seems pretty viable as Nubia was being wrecked, but I needed full governor support. Got golden ages through Medieval when I gave up.
    2. Seondeok spawned on a lonely island. Ended up in a Dark Age. It probably would have turned around, but just fighting barbarians the whole time seemed a bit silly.

    On Tamar now.
     

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