Your thoughts on required uniforms in high schools and universities?

[Tee Kay]

Also, the school might be notorious for something. A uniform will identify you from that school, and get people to immediatly lable you.

And even if school uniforms are really that distinguishable, screw them. I get labelled with all sorts of things anyway, what's another label?

 

[Tani Coyote]

What about undershirts, bras, panties, boxers, boxer-briefs, bracelets, hairties, ribbons, skirts, blouses, jackets...?

Depending on who you ask, these may not all be necessary.

But yes, you understood what I meant.

If it covers you, good enough in my thoughts. Screw the fashion industry.

Also, the school might be notorious for something. A uniform will identify you from that school, and get people to immediatly lable you.

This is sad but true.

School rivalries are even more pathetic to me than an immigrant rooting for his country of origin over the country he immigrated to and so generously took him in...

Could be used as an argument of how schools can brainwash, since there's an irrational sense of school pride nearly everywhere it seems. What the hell, really. People say nationalism is irrational. Nowhere near as much as school pride!

And even if school uniforms are really that distinguishable, screw them. I get labelled with all sorts of things anyway, what's another label?

The general concept here is seconded. Why do people care so much about what others think? It's sad really.

 

[azzaman333]

It's a decision that is solely up to the school to decide.


Also, I like how you Godwin'd your own thread in the first post.

 

[Tee Kay]

The general concept here is seconded. Why do people care so much about what others think? It's sad really.

I do, actually. It's just that the other labels I get are worse than whatever my association with my school can earn me. (I try not to, of course).

 

[W|M]

School rivalries are even more pathetic to me than an immigrant rooting for his country of origin over the country he immigrated to and so generously took him in...

Could be used as an argument of how schools can brainwash, since there's an irrational sense of school pride nearly everywhere it seems. What the hell, really. People say nationalism is irrational. Nowhere near as much as school pride!

 

[LightFang]

Depending on who you ask, these may not all be necessary.

'Course, but it is important to include others if we're going to talk about school uniforms in general! These other items may not be necessary to you, but they sure are to others!

If it covers you, good enough in my thoughts. Screw the fashion industry.

Hey now, fashion is important. Looking your best is a skill.

The general concept here is seconded. Why do people care so much about what others think? It's sad really.

Humans are social animals and neurotypical people care very much about fitting into a group. It's natural instinct.

 

[Tani Coyote]

'Course, but it is important to include others if we're going to talk about school uniforms in general! These other items may not be necessary to you, but they sure are to others!

Well yes, but since I'm going anti-uniform, it'd be a case of each person's preference.

Hey now, fashion is important. Looking your best is a skill.

Maybe if one was meeting with the President, someone important or going to work... or formal occasions.

...but why should we care what the kids think? Screw those snots. You won't even know most of them once you get older.

So long as you get good grades, that's all that matters.

Humans are social animals and neurotypical people care very much about fitting into a group. It's natural instinct.

I'm sure there are a million other instincts/social trends, though, that we could argue are pretty darned stupid.

Like sensationalism...

 

[Arwon]

In one of my classes yesterday we had to have a class discussion about how it would be both morally and constitutionally wrong for high schools in the United States to have a strict dress code or worse, school uniforms. We all agreed that school uniforms would be a terrible idea. A uniform requirement is nothing more than authoritarianism, and pointless authoritarianism at that.

Just think of how terrible it would be if American high schools and colleges/universities had uniforms that everyone had to wear and you couldn't wear anything you want ever, only the uniform that the principal is forcing people to wear against their will. I do realize that some private (especially Catholic) schools do force students to wear uniforms.

You wouldn't ever be able to wear what you want and all of your clothes would be useless save for that one little pathetic uniform. I feel sorry for people who go to private schools, and not just because they go to a private school, but because they have to wear a uniform as well. Also, don't forget that along with that uniform everyone would have to have the same exact hair cut, like in the military, and you wouldn't be allowed to dye or highlight your hair or anything that is normal for teens to do.

The only "justification" would be that "nobody will ever get made fun of or picked on anymore because everyone dresses the same", which is fundamentally flawed in that instead of making fun of someone for the shirt they are wearing, people would be made fun of for their personality or their race/gender/sexual orientation/etc., which would be infinitely worse. Also, if everyone wore the same clothing (thus losing their individuality and ability to stand out), it still wouldn't change human nature. People will still fight and argue.

It's not like people really get picked on or made fun of in high schools anyway, atleast not in Missouri. Everyone is always nice to just about everyone, sure there are occasionally fights that break out, primarily over girls, but it's not like "give me your lunch money or I'll beat you up" which never happens.

It also would never work because people would rebel against it or simply ignore it. Once someone has tasted freedom (in this case the freedom of clothing, freedom of individuality, and freedom to the pursuit of happiness), they wouldn't just give that up. If high schools were to ever implement uniforms in the United States, it would be equivalent to being a Jew in Poland, circa 1942. What could a principal do? It would be like "this is your principal speaking, starting next week all students are going to be forced to wear a certain uniform that I want you to wear" and then everyone would still dress normal and not care what the principal had to say.

In real life people aren't forced to wear a certain piece of clothing and that's all they can wear indefinitely. Sure, some jobs have uniforms, but life does not, it's not like you'll get arrested simply for wearing something a cop doesn't like when walking down the street. Also having a school assigned uniformed goes against American ideas such as capitalism and freedom. So, what are your thoughts on the thankfully failed idea of school uniforms or dress codes that are unreasonable?


Would you rather keep your freedom:

Or would you rather be oppressed:

I went to high school in the United States where there's no uniform, and in Australia where virtually every school has one. I found American high school had a far more "oppressive" culture. Rote learning, assigned seats... urgh.

 

[negZero]

Yup. It also help keep gang identifiers out of school

No it doesn't, they just change the identifers for the umpteen time. When will you teachers learn that you won't be able to prevent gang identifiers without everyone in some clothing thats just changing colors randomly.

 

[Leonel]

garbage day!

 

[Lord of Elves]

High school students hold the power in America. We're the target group of almost every industry: music, video games, movies, television, fashion, the Internet, and just about everything else

Have you bothered to read anything not written by Stephanie Meyer?

 

[Airstrike92]

Have you bothered to read anything not written by Stephanie Meyer?

I never read anything by her xD. I got to the fifth page and was like "WTH is this ?"

 

[Lord of Elves]

I never read anything by her xD. I got to the fifth page and was like "WTH is this ?"

Really, now? Weren't you and your girlfriend going to have a Twilight-themed wedding?

 

[Airstrike92]

That is totally true. Teenagers control the financial sector, the military, the state and the oil industry. Not to mention the global agriculture. What would we do without teenagers running all that stuff?

I take it back. Teens are the driving force behind the entertainment industry and the Internet, NOT the government.

 

[Airstrike92]

I had uniforms in my school and I liked them. It removed the pressure of having to pick out your clothes everyday and I had to spend a lot less on clothes. I also think uniforms are great for hiding income differences between students and breaking down cliques. I realize that might sound like repression of individuality, but in the end I think it made everyone see each other more as equals and made everyone more approachable. Fortunately we were allowed a little individuality (just enough in my opinion), such as being allowed some jewelry, and for the guys, any neck tie that wasn't obscene. I picked up some great neck ties in high school.

I should be honest though, I did break uniform fairly often. I had none-regulation shoes my entire junior and senior year and rarely had my top button done.

From what I find, people that went to schools that didn't require uniforms see them as the end of the world, while people that actually had to wear them ended up not really caring.

Are you really so lazy that you find it a hassle to get dressed in the morning?

 

[Miles Teg]

I don't know about teens driving the economy, but at least one teenager is driving up my consumption of popcorn. I'm sure Mr. Orville Redenbacher is very grateful.

 

[Airstrike92]

I don't know about teens driving the economy, but at least one teenager is driving up my consumption of popcorn. I'm sure Mr. Orville Redenbacher is very grateful.

Capitalism at it's finest.

 

[Tank_Guy#3]

High schools: No.

Universities: HELL NO!!!

 

[W|M]

 

[Grimz101]

I take it back. Teens are the driving force behind the entertainment industry and the Internet, NOT the government.

Thank the flying spaghetti monster that I will no longer be a teenager in October and be labelled with crazy people like you.

Obviously school uniform was a conspiracy started by Cheerleaders so they gain all the power and attention .