Zohran Mamdani

[amadeus]

I don't think I've ever seen anyone assert that socialists are actually going around stealing everyone's kitchenware.

Kitchenware can be used to make food, which can be sold at a profit, ergo, utensils are capital and must be seized.

 

[JollyRoger]

He certainly needs to seize the extra scoop of ice cream that Donnie Two Scoops demands and distribute it evenly around the room

 

[amadeus]

He certainly needs to seize the extra scoop of ice cream that Donnie Two Scoops demands and distribute it evenly around the room

Shouldn’t he just demand it be distributed to the other people?

 

[Broken_Erika]

Shouldn’t he just demand it be distributed to the other people?

Maybe that extra scoop of ice cream might make Donnie Explode

 

[Klaus Hergersheimer]

A crowd chanted death threats outside an NYC synagogue. Mamdani found fault with both sides

Mayor-elect has previously denounced obvious instances of antisemitism, but this was his first real test, a case of antisemitism motivated by anti-Zionism, and he didn't exactly condemn it

www.timesofisrael.com

Mamdani’s first real test, when it comes to antisemitism, actually came Wednesday night, when a crowd gathered outside Park East Synagogue, an Orthodox congregation on Manhattan’s Upper East Side, and chanted “From New York to Gaza, globalize the intifada” and “Resistance you make us proud, take another settler out,” and individual protesters shouted antisemitic epithets.

The occasion for the protest was an open house organized by Nefesh B’Nefesh, the group that facilitates North American Jewish aliyah, or immigration, to Israel.
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“The Mayor-elect has discouraged the language used at last night’s protest and will continue to do so,” Mamdani spokesperson Dora Pekec said Thursday. “He believes every New Yorker should be free to enter a house of worship without intimidation, and that these sacred spaces should not be used to promote activities in violation of international law.”

So this is interesting. The synagogue was hosting an event to help people immigrate to Israel, and there were protestors outside.
But assuming we're not exclusively referring to Israeli settlements in the West Bank that folks want to immigrate to, Mamdani's spokesperson basically sees no distinction between that and people who want to move to Israel-proper. In what sense is this not basically saying ''Jews moving to Israel are criminals"?

 

[EnglishEdward]

You know very well that your chosen interpretations of what a spokesperson says and what Mamdani actually says are not the same things.

 

[Klaus Hergersheimer]

You know very well that your chosen interpretations of what a spokesperson says and what Mamdani actually says are not the same things.

Well I'm taking about the spokesperson. I guess I could take the alternate view that this person was talking rubbish in an attempt to appease the protestors just a little. as in 'please stop saying mean things to this synagogue which is breaking the law (as you say)'. I could. But I don't think so.

 

[Gori the Grey]

If you look at the website of the organization that sponsored the event, under Finding the Right Community, you'll see that many of the locations where they place people are in the West Bank.

 

[Cloud_Strife]

Well I'm taking about the spokesperson. I guess I could take the alternate view that this person was talking rubbish in an attempt to appease the protestors just a little. as in 'please stop staying mean things to this synagogue which is breaking the law (as you say)'. I could. But I don't think so.

Have you tried not defending literal colonists

 

[amadeus]

“From New York to Gaza, globalize the intifada” and “Resistance you make us proud, take another settler out,”

What are those even supposed to mean? They want violence in America, over the internal politics of a foreign country?

 

[Cloud_Strife]

What are those even supposed to mean? They want violence in America, over the internal politics of a foreign country?

A foreign country we heavily support, subsidize and assist in an active, ongoing genocode that's drawing condemnation from the majority of countries even those ostensibly allied with America

 

[amadeus]

A foreign country we heavily support, subsidize

I agree we don’t really need to do that either. Israel hasn’t been a poor country in decades.

 

[Cloud_Strife]

Ok but what about the genocide dude, you can't just gloss over the biggest part

Countries have been regime changed for a fraction less than what Israel gets away with

 

[Lexicus]

But assuming we're not exclusively referring to Israeli settlements in the West Bank that folks want to immigrate to,

Dude, that is indeed exactly what the event was for, a real estate event for illegal settlements in the West Bank (albeit not exclusively).

What are those even supposed to mean? They want violence in America, over the internal politics of a foreign country?

Are you genuinely confused about what the word intifada means at this point or are you asking this question in bad faith?

 

[Broken_Erika]

I agree we don’t really need to do that either. Israel hasn’t been a poor country in decades.

Current Israeli Government is insane. Even by Israeli standards.

 

[amadeus]

Are you genuinely confused about what the word intifada means at this point or are you asking this question in bad faith?

Not in bad faith—what do you think it entails?

 

[amadeus]

Ok but what about the genocide dude, you can't just gloss over the biggest part

Countries have been regime changed for a fraction less than what Israel gets away with

There’s a lot of variables and I don’t want to get stuck in a protracted discussion about it. The Arab countries aren’t going to take the Jews back who left, and the Jews aren’t going to give up a lot of the land they took, so I don’t know how you fix all of those problems, but I don’t think they are of interest to the U.S. anymore than ethnic or religious strife in places like the Congo or India and Pakistan. Our policy is not going to fix their grievances, however legitimate.

 

[choxorn]

There’s a lot of variables and I don’t want to get stuck in a protracted discussion about it. The Arab countries aren’t going to take the Jews back who left, and the Jews aren’t going to give up a lot of the land they took, so I don’t know how you fix all of those problems, but I don’t think they are of interest to the U.S. anymore than ethnic or religious strife in places like the Congo or India and Pakistan. Our policy is not going to fix their grievances, however legitimate.

This may all be true, but more to the point, Israel is continuing to do a genocide against the Palestinians and the US government has continuously been behind them every step of the way, and that's terrible

 

[Lexicus]

Not in bad faith—what do you think it entails?

The first intifada was largely nonviolent until Israel responded by killing hundreds of people, so I think you should say what you think it entails.

 

[Birdjaguar]

Trump loves Mandami!