My concern is that the virus is damaging along a number of fronts. But I balance this with the vaccine being increasingly the wrong tool as variants drift
Not getting infected is supposed to beat getting infected. At every turn.I don't know if I disagree. Fighting off covid while antibodies are highest might be the best way of defending long-term against variants
Not getting infected is supposed to beat getting infected. At every turn.
You do not want to get infected without having the vaccine to start with. The vaccine alerts and arms your immune system against it regardless.Yes. But getting infected is also inevitable, which means taking an extended view of the immunity will make sense too.
There are no perfect solutions, just dilemmas. I don't want only the vaccine protecting me when a variant pops up that beats the vaccine.
I don't know the answer. It's a question I keep in my head when looking at fhe problem
Not getting infected is supposed to beat getting infected. At every turn.
Also I was answering to Berzerker's curious attitude of getting himself vaccinated while peddling anti-vaxxer crap.
I wouldn't want to chance natural immunity in that context, either. You're not looking at the same problem as others are discussing. The specific position here is "get Covid or get vaccinated", because that's the unfortunate position some people are hitching their wagons to, in The Discourse™. People are undermining the necessity of the vaccine by invoking protection from natural immunity. It's not about "what happens when people inevitably get a variant". It's all about people (who are more than happy to get vaccinated themselves) peddling a stance that harms people with misinformation in the now (rather than in the future).Yes. But getting infected is also inevitable, which means taking an extended view of the immunity will make sense too.
There are no perfect solutions, just dilemmas. I don't want only the vaccine protecting me when a variant pops up that beats the vaccine.
I don't know the answer. It's a question I keep in my head when looking at fhe problem
I don't know if I disagree. Fighting off covid while antibodies are highest might be the best way of defending long-term against variants
In a way the immune system is part of the problem – a lot of the Covid 19 care is directed towards making sure the immune system doesn't go hay-wire. And immuno-compromised people don't do perceptibly all that much worse than those not so afflicted. Curious virus, all round.A variant which escapes the vaccines might escape the immune system of a Covid-surviovor as well. A booster can have an updated version of the virus proteins, but you cannot update your immune system.
The specific position here is "get Covid or get vaccinated"
Brazil overtook the 600,000-dead mark last Friday. The same people who announced this say that it is a significant underestimation.
The U.S. of A., meanwhile, overtook the 700,000-dead mark.
(going on "war footing" for the time it took, and it didn't need be much).
Put the entire world on "war footing" - indefinitely ?
Would it not be much simpler to isolate yourself then ?
A variant which escapes the vaccines might escape the immune system of a Covid-surviovor as well. A booster can have an updated version of the virus proteins, but you cannot update your immune system.
I wouldn't want to chance natural immunity in that context, either. You're not looking at the same problem as others are discussing. The specific position here is "get Covid or get vaccinated", because that's the unfortunate position some people are hitching their wagons to, in The Discourse™. People are undermining the necessity of the vaccine by invoking protection from natural immunity. It's not about "what happens when people inevitably get a variant". It's all about people (who are more than happy to get vaccinated themselves) peddling a stance that harms people with misinformation in the now (rather than in the future).
I’m going to trust that my doctor knows how a needle works.
Because it's something you need to prove. Emphatically. Beyond the improvements we've seen from the vaccines themselves.Why is it misinformation to say covid survivors are better protected than everyone else and dont need a vaccine?
Prove it!There's video of Biden getting a booster recently, they didn't check to see if they hit a vein, just jab and plunge. I dont know the odds of hitting the blood stream with the injection but with billions of jabs I wouldn't be surprised if a few thousand had complications.
when did I peddle anti-vaxxer crap?
Just read your own posts, man.Why is it misinformation to say covid survivors are better protected than everyone else and dont need a vaccine? (mandatory disparagement of Fauci)
Covid is an update to our immune systems and the delta variant has escaped the Pfizer vaccine more easily than the immune systems of covid survivors. Simulated updates are better than nothing but I believe the data show covid survivors are doing better against variants. The immune response to the real thing is more thorough than the vaccine.