Aysee

OK.

I think your claims are fine, and after discussion with Ilduce I am accepting your NAP if its still available. We need to put any conflict of Asia behind us, Europe HATES us.

I don't think you are suspicious, FOR wanting to share, that actually makes me less so. I am nervous that you and Ilduce won't be able to work things out, and I'm not sure what the current situation is.

Let me say this. There will be no sneak attacks this time around. On the honor of the Samauri, if we ever must fight I will openly declare war where all the world can see it.

I trust Ilduce not to do something stupid for a lot of reasons. As for Ilduce, he is the more headstrong of the bunch, and he doesn't like your nation. I ultimately want to see China divided peacefully.

Why don't you make a social group and invite me and Ilduce to join. Post a map of how you think China should look, with our treaties into consideration.

Personally, the land I told you I wanted earlier, that Yellow strip of land plus the lands directly to the West of that is all I really want. For the rest of China, you and Ilduce will have to agree upon something.

Maybe in your opinion it does. But as it says on the front page, i can base my votes on whatever i want. I dont have to consider their entire history if i dont want to. I respect their history, but it is the modern state of the country which matters at the moment. History is history. IMO, their past doesnt exactly outweigh their last 60 years or so of commieness.

I updated the map, can you check it in the forum

I posted a semi-urgent discussion I would like you to vote on the outcome

http://forums.civfanatics.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=260080&stc=1&d=1281120057

Here is my proposed map, a slight change to yours. I am willing to negotiate on who gets the coast. Can you respond in the group?

Maybe i should have explained. I dont think it outweighs all of that, although i think sun tzu is overrated. I do think china is immensly important, but that doesnt mean i have to like them. All you are saying is mostly true, but that doesnt mean i have to like them. I definitly respect their history.

But they are a communist country right now, and i tend to put alot of weight on my judgement of a country (in general). Ill respond more in the mroning. I gotta go.

I will accept Taiwan, but it depends how much coast you are talking about. May I ask we take this to the alliance group, that way all 3 of us can discuss our claims at the same time. I have been reading your argument with Dommy.

Because I wanted to be a Chinese empire situated in Xi'an. I don't care if you own parts of China, I just want Xi'an.

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=373706&page=10

Does this link work. This shows my northern most border. I just want the lands south of this, the rest is yours

While we would like to sign an NAP, I just offered an alliance with Ilduce, and while we want to avoid a war I will join Ilduce in his actions. I also am worried about our close borders, and don't want to be seen as a traitor if something I don't want to happen happens.

I'm worried about your willingness to share China with Ilduce and I, and I already know our nations are close by and so you'd rather us not be here. Therefore, I'm refusing for now.

I prefer hidden diplomacy, so I'm willing to discuss more in PM. Not in the thread.

OK. I won't.

I was aware, however I wanted my 2 favorite Chinese cities:
Shanghia and Xi'an.
Here is my desired empire:
http://forums.civfanatics.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=259857&stc=1&d=1280872276
The rest is yours

I am willing to negotiate but I would prefer this

I don't need Mil level 5 to get over there.

However, just for the record, the deal I was originally offering would have given me all the land directly to the West of the land in Yellow. In other words, all the land that is as close to Russia as the land you gave me. In other words, extending that border all the way to mongolia. I'll recognize mongolia as yours if you give me this area. OK?

Assuming this is just Chinese land and doesn't count Russian and Mongolian land I accept, as I will probably expand some in those places (It'll be first come first serve in those areas.)

So, basically, I'm guaranteed that Chinese land and Korea (And Japan of course.) You are guaranteed the rest of China?

I accept if you do.

I'm not sure what provinces those are. If there's a way you can show me a map then thanks.

However, what I was saying is- You'd get a two territory blanket in all directions from Beijing. Everything north of that in the East corner (Near Mongolia and Russia) would go to me.

By East Corner I mean that area between Mongolia, Russia, and your two territory blanket. I'll try and clarify if needed.

Alright Aysee.

I was hoping nobody would take China. However, you did. This is OK, however,

China is a big country. Japan is a small country. We'd like a little bit of Northeast China. After you take the provinces immediately around China, is there any chance you can expand SOUTH of Beijing, and WEST, instead of North.

We were looking to get Korea eventually and the parts of China that border Russia, so that we can expand into Russia. Is this OK?

We will not interfere in South China or West China at all if you allow us to have the Far Northeast China (Basically, that bulky area on the border of Russia, if you know what I'm talking about.

Yes, the user location. I haven't read any of his books (except Slaughterhouse 5), but if you're into WWII Sophie's Choice is a really, really good book.

I take it you like Slaughterhouse 5

you can converse with me, ill stay in each city for a week.

and, its petrograd? ill call it petrograd then.

Since I have way too many posts, I'll answer your question here.

The UUTSFR collapsed. I'm Argentina now, and starting fresh in Diplomacy.