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Axis plans for invasion of the United States during WWII

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The Axis plans for invasion of the United States during WWII were a series of plans for strategic long-range strikes and invasion of United States of America by German and Japanese forces.
German-planned Invasion of the United States

Before the winter of 1941, Germany appeared to be moving toward a swift victory over the Soviet Union. Alfred Rosenberg, Reich Comissaire for Eastern Affairs, was ordered to print the motto "Deutschland Welt Reich" (German World Empire) and Hitler made known his intention of further conquest following victory over Russia. These plans appeared to include an invasion of the United States.

In Autumn of 1940, the attack on the US was fixed for the long-term future. This appears in Luftwaffe documents, one of which dated October 29, 1940 mentions the "extraordinary interest of Mein Führer in the occupation of the Atlantic Islands. In line with this interest...with the cooperation of Spain is the seizure of Gibraltar and Spanish and Portuguese islands, along other operations in the North Atlantic."

In July 1941, the Führer ordered that planning an attack against the United States be continued. Five months later, on December 11, 1941 Germany declared war on the United States.
Armament related to the proposed United States invasion

The Wehrmacht, in planning for the British invasion developed some types of airborne and amphibious tanks and other special heavy armour, later considered for an eventual invasion of America: The Kriegsmarine, ordered the design of some aircraft carriers (Based on Akagi-Type Great Japanese Navy Flag-Carriers):

* Graf Zeppelin Carrier
* Peter Strasser/Deutschland Carrier
* Europa Carrier(Project)
* Potsdam Carrier(Project)

Carrier based aircraft were created for the invasion of Britain and later, America. Such units were intended for equiping the Luftwaffe/Kriegsmarine 650th Geschwader.

The Luftwaffe also created a plan called "Amerika Bomber" that had designs for a strike against United States. They also ordered for transport for airborne forces and light vehicles the ultra-heavy giant armed assault glider Junkers Ju 322 "Mammut". Such vehicles were supposed to be used in an invasion of America alongside the Messerschmitt Me 321 "Gigant" heavy transport glider.
Use of 'V-weapons' against America

The Luftwaffe analyzed the possible use of 'V-weapons' against the US in a plan to launch a squadron of Junkers Ju 290 long range recon aircraft armed with Fieseler Fi-103 (V-1) rockets. The Kriegsmarine considered a similar idea with submarine-based V-1/V-2 launchers against United States coasts. Similarly, the Wehrmacht created the "Division zur Vergeltung" (Reprisal Division) or "Div.z. V." this unit would use the "Langrohrkanone LRK 15 F-58", also knowed "HDP Kanone" or V-3, or the ultra long-range version of the multi-phase mid-range missile V-4 "Rheinbote" against U.S. soil by attacking from islands or just offshore.
"A9"

Another weapon that was designed for possible use against the US was the A9. The A9 was a further development of the "A4" rocket. No prototype was ever developed before the end of the war, although a variant, the A4b, was produced. The A9 would have been used as the upper stage for an intercontinental missile or a manned craft.
"A10"

The A10, which was never built, was intended to serve as the first stage for the A9, to help it to reach an intercontinental range. New York City and other targets in the northeastern U.S. were its intended targets. Test Stand VII was built at Peenemünde for use in the A10's development.

The A10 was designed to have a diameter of 4.12 meters and to exceed the A4 in its size. It was to be fueled with alcohol and liquid oxygen. The thrust of the engines would have been 235,000 kgf (2300 kN) with a 55-second burn time.
Strategic lines to supposed American invasion

Operation Felix (Fall Felix) and Operation Sealion, planned the occupation of Ireland and Operation Ikarus, would have provided some support bases for installing the Wehrmacht and Kriegsmarine infantry seaborne or Luftwaffe Airborne forces for the invasion.

These units, with proper support from the Kriegsmarine and Luftwaffe, were to capture coastal areas in Maine, New Hampshire, Massachusetts, Connecticut, Rhode Island, New York, New Jersey and Delaware.

On the other hand, the invasion could have come from airborne landings on the Atlantic coast of Canada in the Northwest Territories, Quebec, Newfoundland, New Brunswick and Prince Edward Island, with the army then continuing into U.S territory. The Saint Lawrence River was also considered to be a major possible entry point into North America. Another option involved launching seaborne rockets, long range missiles or aerial bombardments, against U.S. territory. The Germans were also considering the development and use of an atomic bomb against the United States.

Air strikes with heavy long range bombers would have not only put the coastal targets of New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Washington D.C., Boston, and New York within range, but also targets in Ohio and even Indiana.
Operations supposedly related to the planned invasion

German forces sent agents to Greenland to install a base for secret operations in the area that would have been supported by the use of a radio station in Saint Pierre and on Miquelon island, under the administration of Vichy France.

The German invasion would also have been supported by German submarine missions to the Atlantic coast and Caribbean areas, with submarines such as U-134, U-853 and others. The Germans had projects to use of submarines with V-1/V-2 Launchers against American coasts. Also, the planned use of special mobile launchers from French coasts for launching one ultra long-range multi-stage V-4 "Rheibote" missile or other similar type.

Another maritime tactic would have been maritime reconnaissance flights by German flying boats Blohm und Voss Bv 222 C-0 "Wiking" from France and Norway to the north and central Atlantic area to watch Iceland, Greenland, England, and the Canadian and United States coasts.

There was also a Kriegsmarine or Luftwaffe attack against the Panama Canal, a U.S. territory at the time. The former would use submarines to strike the Atlantic side of the Canal. The latter would send a squadron of ultra long-range bombers from France to North Africa, before continuing to South America in support of a neutral country.
Japanese-planned invasion of the United States

Ironically, at the start of the 20th Century, Japan was allied to the western powers, and was emerging as a naval power in the Pacific. Anxiety over Japan's interest fueled concern among Americans about their southern border. Rumors abounded of a Mexican plot with the help of Germany and Japan.

For example, in 1908, there was a rumour of a secret treaty between Japan and Mexico and reports of Japanese officers serving with the armies of Huerta, Carranza and Villa. Fear grew of a Japanese invasion of the United States through Mexico, using the Mexican railway system to transport troops to the American border and Gulf of California ports. The mysterious arrival of Cruiser Asama Maru, in April 1915 added to this fear.

During the war the Japanese Navy strongly advocated the capture of the Hawaiian Islands. This would have involved landing after the first stage of the war. The Hawaiian Islands could be used for future landings in the continental U.S., or to conduct aerial surface, naval, or submarine attacks against U.S. coasts. The operations bureaus of both the Army and the Navy investigated the matter on a number of occasions. When it became apparent that the Hawaii operation was beyond the capability of the Army to carry out alone, the General Staff vigorously resisted the project, which was eventually discarded.

Kinoaki Matsuo, a high-ranking officer of the Black Dragon Society, and Japanese Navy thinker wrote the book The Three Power Alliance And The United States-Japanese War, which is purported to detail the Japanese war plans for the simultaneous invasions of the Panama Canal Zone, Alaska, California, and Washington.
Strategic lines to Japanese invasion of America

For Japanese Naval strategists, an invasion of American, Mexican, and Central American Pacific coasts would have required naval bases in the Aleutian and Hawaiian islands, as well as the Mexican Revillagigedo and French Clipperton islands.

From the Aleutians, Japanese forces would have landed in Alaska and Canada, from Hawaii naval or airborne landings in Washington state, Oregon, and California were considered. From these bases, long-range heavy land-based bombers or flying boat attacks on U.S. territory could be launched. The High Command staff considered bombing San Francisco, Panama, Los Angeles, the Texas oilfields, in coordination with German naval strikes against Boston, Washington D.C. or New York. The use of biological and chemical weapons was also considered.

I found this when I was looking through wikipedia. The pln looks pretty formidable looks like it would eat lives by the bundle. Any thoughts?
 
They didn't have the means for it. Yes, they could have built more ships (assuming Hitler dropped out of that whole Barbarossa idiocy, and Stalin took his sweet time gearing up for his own war), but by the time germany'd have enough ships at sea to field something remotely like the invasion fleet involved in Overlord, the USN would likely have had the Midways and Montanas rotating into active service.

Even if they had, trying to attack the American mainland without first securing some sort of forward base (and Hawaii is far too remote for that) would have been suicidal. Having to get supplies to an invading army all the way across the Atlantic once the invasion had started (or all the way from Hawaii to America) would have been a nightmare.
 
I could make such plans in 3 hours of hard work. In short:
- Axis didn't have the manpower or the resources to pull something like this even if they didn't fight with Soviet Union
- War of Axis Europe with USA could only be fought at sea and air until either side looses that war. Only then a land invasion could take place. Consider the supply lines and possibilites of counter attacks even.
- Hitler had no interest in pissing off the United States just as France and UK had no interest in pissing off Hitler in 1939-1940. They wanted him to fight somewhere else. Hitler knew that.
So no that plan if it was ever considered would have been completely useless and was probably of the type "what if Marsians invade USA" plan made by US government planners. However it might convince some Americans that Hitler was more of a badass and that he really threatened them (plan to invade Home territory! The horror!) Americans are not used to threats to their soil....
 
Such an invasion would have following prerequisites:

1. Conquest of Russia, to have no other front in the East

2. Conquest of (Northern) Africa, to have no open flank in the rear.

3. Conquest of Arabia (and India) to have also no other flank there.

4. Conquest of Britain, to have a base to alunch the attack.

5. Building up of long range bomber forces and V weapons fired by Uboats and planes and ICBMs

6. Building up of enough Naval forces. This includes about 20 more battleships and fleet carrier.

7. Japanese conquest of the Pacific and Australia to conduct a second invasion in the west.

These things must be given before an invasion could be conducted. So it is extremely impropable, to say the least. Also even if we say, the Axis were able to conquer Africa, Asia and Oceania as well, it would have lasted to build up new ships. However as now the resource short cut would not have existed, it would be possible to build such new ships. But to build a CV or BB and to introduce it into the fleet, it lasts about 4,5 years. So if we consider losses in that time, and delays and so on, it will have lasted even longer to have built such a fleet- 6- 8 years. Not to speak about enough landing and support vessels. In the meantime, the US would have not sit just there but have built forces on her own. That means even more ships to need and more ships to fight, even though the US would now have to be forced to fight alone at two fronts, they would have enough forces to repell an invasion. And with the US and German nuclear programs soon an invasion of the US and Europe would be considered to be impossible for either side. No, IF the Axis were able to conquer the old world, it wasn't possible to do that with the New one in time before the BOMB was ready. Another Cold War would have happened.

Adler
 
The Germans couldn't invade Britain despite our considerable weaknesses at the time, the chances of them ever developing the required forces to invade America were around nil. The fact that they might have briefly considered it doesn't suprise me though. Ridiculous flights of fancy were a specialty of the Nazi leadership where sweeping grandiose statements and rhetoric overcame such minor concepts as logistics, common sense and military logic.
 
How the world would have changed though, if Germany had the power to invade America.
 
The Japanese forward base would have been southern Alaska. Not very practical, though.

Memo to myself: Make sure you have some means of attack before declaring war.
 
This plan just goes to show how delusional the Nazi planners were. If they couldn't invade Britain and were ultimately defeated by the Soviet Union, which was in their continent, it is not hard to figure how an invasion of the US mainland would have turned out.
 
To Invade America, the Germans would at least have to invade Britain, Greenland, and Iceland for bases. If they invaded Britain, the British were in perfect condition for defense. The Luftwaffe was unable to destroy the RAF, and the British would have air superiority. The British navy could make a metal wall through the British channel. Even if the Germans could somehow get troops to Britain, the British were ready for them. They would have lost thousands of soldiers before they got pass the beaches. Even when they occupied Britain, there would be lots of resistence. They would have been too weakened just by invading Britain and couldn't have ever taken America. The most the Germans could have done against the US was get aircraft carriers near the US, but that would be way too expensive.
 
Fox Mccloud said:
To Invade America, the Germans would at least have to invade Britain, Greenland, and Iceland for bases. If they invaded Britain, the British were in perfect condition for defense. The Luftwaffe was unable to destroy the RAF, and the British would have air superiority. The British navy could make a metal wall through the British channel. Even if the Germans could somehow get troops to Britain, the British were ready for them. They would have lost thousands of soldiers before they got pass the beaches. Even when they occupied Britain, there would be lots of resistence. They would have been too weakened just by invading Britain and couldn't have ever taken America. The most the Germans could have done against the US was get aircraft carriers near the US, but that would be way too expensive.
The Luftwaffe was perfectly capable of eliminating the RAF. They got out from under the Nazi's finger because Hitler ordered a change from bombing RAF airfields and bases to the cities for psychological warfare, namely London.
Also, planes flying from Greenland and Iceland could not have reached the US.
I do agree that the Brits, depending on where the Germans landed, could have staged an effective defence and stagnated their advance.
 
privatehudson said:
The Germans couldn't invade Britain despite our considerable weaknesses at the time, the chances of them ever developing the required forces to invade America were around nil. The fact that they might have briefly considered it doesn't suprise me though.

I believe also the Hitler thought britian could be negosiatated with.
Which allowed British a short and needed breathing space in which she rearmed and prepared for the invasion.

Sealion though was a very real possaiblility.
Big problem was the lack of transportations I think planned for only 6 diviions and extemely little logistical support. Despite the Germans confiscating ships.
 
More of a what if plan for the Germans methinks. I wonder were a country with a population of 80 million would get the manpower to hold down an occupied Europe from England to the Urals assuming they won the war. I don't think the U.S.S.R at the height of its power had any concrete plans of a US invasion.
 
Sealion though was a very real possaiblility.

As I said elsewhere I'm still not convinced Hitler took it that seriously. Had it been undertaken though it quite obviously would have been a disaster.
 
Cheezy the Wiz said:
The Luftwaffe was perfectly capable of eliminating the RAF.

No. The Luftwaffe did not have the range to strike properly at airfields in the Midlands or beyond, nor at the industrial heartland, so the RAF would always have safe fighter bases as well as unimpeded production. During the Battle of Britain the loss rates were about 2:1 in favour of the RAF and while they were for a while losing fighters quicker than they could build new ones production rates were increasing (and were higher than those of the Germans). Furthermore whenever a fighter plane was lost but the pilot survived, a RAF pilot could be returned to duty while a Luftwaffe pilot would end up in a POW camp, so the Germans were losing experienced pilots faster as well.
 
A German invasion - let alone capture - of America is pure fantasy. Even a loon like Hitler probably realised that (surely these plans were never seriously considered?:crazyeye:)
 
chrisrossi said:
How the world would have changed though, if Germany had the power to invade America.

They'd conquer Russia if they had that kind of power.
 
Louis XXIV said:
They'd conquer Russia if they had that kind of power.

America has much better land. Most of russia is a frigid wasteland honestly.
 
Xanikk999 said:
America has much better land. Most of russia is a frigid wasteland honestly.

I hate to break it to you Zantac but America does have its fair share of wasteland. Most of the Southwest is an arid desert with a spattering of casinos and Mormon churhces (the latter being greater waste of time and money). Then there are the swamps of the Deep South and its only claim to fame seems to be the slacked jawed alligator wrestlers.

There also seems to be a misconception that Russia is some deslotae wasteland filled with tundra. Ever heard of the Great Plain of Russia or the Valdai hills? Russia has more than one climatic zone.
 
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