logical_psycho
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So... where did the culture budget slider go?
1.52 Patch Available
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sir ireland
Chieftain
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is there anything else i could lower to make it work or do i just have to wait
Efexeye said:
Are you kidding me? You want bring up grammar on a gaming board? YOUR a joke.
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Please read the forum rules: http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=422889
As for the GAME how do you know they were "properly tested"? I would disagree. We are playing a beta, obviously. We are the testers.
Do you know how many people found the game "unplayable" until Hark's patch? I don't, but I know he helped my game work with his patch and the Official Patches have only made things not work. So you know what, YOU dont know what you are talking about but you are trying to make yourself sound like your an "insider". Like you have some special inside line to Fire-axis. You don't know anymore than the rest of us, so why dont you just go play Civ4 and stfu and let us with problems figure them out without your "expert" help.
Oh and like I said in the other thread to your dumbass, I did do a clean install and guess what GENIUS it still crashes!!!
Thats fine that your not having problems, but why not just keep your mouth shut about Hark then? Why try to say he doesnt deserve the credit he got? Because your childish that is why.Efexeye said:
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BirraImperial
Pura Vida!
Did installing the 1.52 patch removed, Hark's?
I had alot of problems, but haven't done anything other than get the two official patches and follow some cache cleaning advice on this fine board, and now consider my game almost fine.
Frankly, I found the directions to install Harkonnen's patch & the attendent problemsolving much much too complicated & computer wonky so I never did anything...I always figured it'd fix my problem but instead waited. I just lived with the slowdowns and crashes until I downloaded the offical 1.52 from the offical update within the game on my ancient dial-up on X-mas night, brainlessly loaded up up without all the changes and labor, followed the minimal instructions...and ?
Now the game works near perfectly * on my below-spec machine...No crashes. Easy saves and loads. Fast late game turns.
I think I like this new patch. And feel alot better about firaxis.
It's win-win.
Just saying...
(* except for the white glowing eyeliner of Tokugawa and Peter...)
Frankly, I found the directions to install Harkonnen's patch & the attendent problemsolving much much too complicated & computer wonky so I never did anything...I always figured it'd fix my problem but instead waited. I just lived with the slowdowns and crashes until I downloaded the offical 1.52 from the offical update within the game on my ancient dial-up on X-mas night, brainlessly loaded up up without all the changes and labor, followed the minimal instructions...and ?
Now the game works near perfectly * on my below-spec machine...No crashes. Easy saves and loads. Fast late game turns.
I think I like this new patch. And feel alot better about firaxis.
It's win-win.
Just saying...
(* except for the white glowing eyeliner of Tokugawa and Peter...)
Efexeye
Silly Donkey
I'm not going to respond to any of the flamebait here, but, rest assured, it's been reported.
EDIT: I will say this though, I have praised Harkonnen's work in a lot of threads, and I SAID IN THIS ONE I wasn't trying to take anything away from him.
I was, however, VERY surprised at the number of people willing to download a third-party patch...I mean, how do you guys know there was no spyware, viruses or malware attached to it? There is a HUGE level of trust there that I simply do not feel for "unofficial" fixes.
EDIT: I will say this though, I have praised Harkonnen's work in a lot of threads, and I SAID IN THIS ONE I wasn't trying to take anything away from him.
I was, however, VERY surprised at the number of people willing to download a third-party patch...I mean, how do you guys know there was no spyware, viruses or malware attached to it? There is a HUGE level of trust there that I simply do not feel for "unofficial" fixes.
This will be the last I say of it.
1) You did try to take credit away from Hark and only AFTER I called you out about it did you retract it.
2)Report away. I would hope the admins here know the value of Hark's patch to the COMMUNITY and can see thru your backpeddaling on trying to diminish his valued work.
1) You did try to take credit away from Hark and only AFTER I called you out about it did you retract it.
2)Report away. I would hope the admins here know the value of Hark's patch to the COMMUNITY and can see thru your backpeddaling on trying to diminish his valued work.
Efexeye
Silly Donkey
Raider62 said:
If you had read any of the other threads here with any degree of regularity, you'd see that I have said in several posts that Harkonnen is to be praised.
This is not the only thread on this forum, and, for the record, I retracted nothing. I still stand by what I said. People that download unofficial patches are a lot more trusting than I am.
I reported you for the unnecessary and juvenile name calling, which is pretty indicative (IMHO, at least) of your level of maturity/credibility level.
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You got name called because of your condescending attitude.
I don't read every single thread. I just read the one where you said "hark is standing on the shoulders of Fire-axis and shouldnt be seen as a savior" That tells me all I need to know about you.
By your own admission you didnt use the patch so how do you even have an opinion on the subject except to take away some of Hark's glory. Shame on you.
All I cared about is you trying to make Hark's patch look like less than it was. Which was Fantastic. So report/ignore whatever doesnt change the fact that you don't have any idea of what you are talking about and that equals an idiot.
Oh I am ignored, then your problem is solved.
I don't read every single thread. I just read the one where you said "hark is standing on the shoulders of Fire-axis and shouldnt be seen as a savior" That tells me all I need to know about you.
By your own admission you didnt use the patch so how do you even have an opinion on the subject except to take away some of Hark's glory. Shame on you.
All I cared about is you trying to make Hark's patch look like less than it was. Which was Fantastic. So report/ignore whatever doesnt change the fact that you don't have any idea of what you are talking about and that equals an idiot.
Oh I am ignored, then your problem is solved.
player1 fanatic
Yes, you are right.
Efexeye
There might be two reasons for people using my fix to be upset with 1.52:
1) 1.09 fixed was better than 1.52 (not considering gameplay issues), so they saw performance decrease while 1.09 non-fixed users felt performance increase.
2) Civ4 is strange beast since the worse system you have, the better. GF4 MX users had much less problems than GF 6800. Some people dropped vertex shaders to 1.1, some decreased AGP aperture size, some rolled back to 2 year old drivers. With my fix all this "tuning" slowed it down (as it would slow down *any* game). With 1.52 the story begins again, kepping these values at maximum slows civ4 down. Most of my fix users have these things maxed out (driver version, AGP, shaders) because this was discussed many times in the fix thread. This can be another reason for problems of people with 1.52 (actually problems of 1.52 at people).
P.S: I wonder if people would install FAT32/Win98 just to play civ4, should it work better in such config... I would accept that for year 2000 game, but not for year 2005 game.
Yes, you are right.
Efexeye
There might be two reasons for people using my fix to be upset with 1.52:
1) 1.09 fixed was better than 1.52 (not considering gameplay issues), so they saw performance decrease while 1.09 non-fixed users felt performance increase.
2) Civ4 is strange beast since the worse system you have, the better. GF4 MX users had much less problems than GF 6800. Some people dropped vertex shaders to 1.1, some decreased AGP aperture size, some rolled back to 2 year old drivers. With my fix all this "tuning" slowed it down (as it would slow down *any* game). With 1.52 the story begins again, kepping these values at maximum slows civ4 down. Most of my fix users have these things maxed out (driver version, AGP, shaders) because this was discussed many times in the fix thread. This can be another reason for problems of people with 1.52 (actually problems of 1.52 at people).
P.S: I wonder if people would install FAT32/Win98 just to play civ4, should it work better in such config... I would accept that for year 2000 game, but not for year 2005 game.
Efexeye
I actually was also surprised a lot with so many downloads of some foreign DLL. I think that happened because of a long story in a 'memory leak' thread, so it was a thing that many waited for. At least spyware wasn't expected... You may check first 2 pages of the fix thread - there I gave some words to the 1st spyware-afraid-of forum member (warpstorm afaik).
As for shoulders... I don't want to blame of offend anyone (including you
), but so far I think that Firaxis is standing on my shoulders for making it working by 25th, and for telling how it works ~ a month before 25th, so that they managed to come to their own solution.
Yes, I might be wrong and just giving more value than actually is in this fix... after all, it's my baby, so I can't be objective on that one
I actually was also surprised a lot with so many downloads of some foreign DLL. I think that happened because of a long story in a 'memory leak' thread, so it was a thing that many waited for. At least spyware wasn't expected... You may check first 2 pages of the fix thread - there I gave some words to the 1st spyware-afraid-of forum member (warpstorm afaik).
As for shoulders... I don't want to blame of offend anyone (including you
), but so far I think that Firaxis is standing on my shoulders for making it working by 25th, and for telling how it works ~ a month before 25th, so that they managed to come to their own solution.Yes, I might be wrong and just giving more value than actually is in this fix... after all, it's my baby, so I can't be objective on that one
Efexeye
Silly Donkey
Harkonnen said:Efexeye
I actually was also surprised a lot with so many downloads of some foreign DLL. I think that happened because of a long story in a 'memory leak' thread, so it was a thing that many waited for. At least spyware wasn't expected... You may check first 2 pages of the fix thread - there I gave some words to the 1st spyware-afraid-of forum member (warpstorm afaik).
As for shoulders... I don't want to blame of offend anyone (including you
Yes, I might be wrong and just giving more value than actually is in this fix... after all, it's my baby, so I can't be objective on that one
1. Yeah, it was really surprising. I take it as a testament to the greatness of cIV- people are willing to download a total stranger's patch to get it to work because they are desperate to play.
2. Don't worry about offending me, I think it's great that so many people can now play the game that couldn't before, thanks to your efforts. I think you've been pretty humble about it, too. But it irritates me when people who have NO IDEA what goes into making a game come here posting "Firaxis suxxors they are teh suck" and "OMG Pay Harkonnen Firaxis, he is such a l33t haxxor!" I mean, yes, your patch does great things, but it's much easier to take what Firaxis did and "fix" it than it is to program the game from scratch, which is what they did.
3. I don't blame you one bit for defending your work- it's just that ignorance irritates me, especially when people do nothing but come here look for any possible reason to rip on Firaxis.
Efexeye
Heh, anyway I can't say it's not pleasant to hear all of that anyway Being humble just retains the energy of those words... asking for thanks invalidates thanks, so... BTW, that's about paid reviews also
I have ambiguous feelings about Firaxis... As for me, I am a bit maximalistic about ways of doing something - that is I avoid intermediate solutions. Firaxis is a gaming company, and they are PC gaming company (not console). So, they decided to create games, not to just sell it. One path is to create games (which Firaxis did up to C3C with a gap in C3 vanilla). Another path is to go pure business, then it means mass console games or even more - some non-computer-related business (selling cars for example). What I saw with civ4 release is game creation idea with business approach...
Whenever you go some intermediate path, you get worst traits of both extremes.
Heh, anyway I can't say it's not pleasant to hear all of that anyway
Being humble just retains the energy of those words... asking for thanks invalidates thanks, so... BTW, that's about paid reviews also I have ambiguous feelings about Firaxis... As for me, I am a bit maximalistic about ways of doing something - that is I avoid intermediate solutions. Firaxis is a gaming company, and they are PC gaming company (not console). So, they decided to create games, not to just sell it. One path is to create games (which Firaxis did up to C3C with a gap in C3 vanilla). Another path is to go pure business, then it means mass console games or even more - some non-computer-related business (selling cars for example). What I saw with civ4 release is game creation idea with business approach...
Whenever you go some intermediate path, you get worst traits of both extremes.
lord_graywolfe
Wolfman
BirraImperial said:
yeah it does, it writes over it removing it competely but it wont hurt if you do a full reinstall of the game and the patch if your still having problems. also it seems if you want to use blue marble you need to install it before the patch or it doesnt work.
I've read a lot about problems folks are having and I sympathize. I too used Hark's fix on my desktop machine with 128MB card and it was brilliant, but it was not much help with my 64 meg laptop card.
I clean installed Civ and I have to give Firaxis credit, for my configuration it works wonders. Runs about 3x as fast from early to late game, even on large maps, and wonders no longer stutter. Nicely done!
I clean installed Civ and I have to give Firaxis credit, for my configuration it works wonders. Runs about 3x as fast from early to late game, even on large maps, and wonders no longer stutter. Nicely done!
Well, I was truly hoping 1.52 was going to be the solution for me, but it's not. I'm still getting CTD's, black screen, and stuttering video. Here's my system info, and a description of everything I've tried. If I'm doing something wrong please let me know. If anyone knows what upgrade would improve things best (ram vs. video card) please let me know. Thanks.
System:
AMD Athlon XP 1800+ 1.5gz
GeForce4 440MX 64mb (updated driver to 81.98)
512mb ram
I have set the AGP aperature to 128mb with no improvement. I set memory saver=1 in the Civ IV ini only to have the game crash so I set it back to 0. I've been using low resolution, and tiny maps in the game, but it still crashes. I know my system is at the minimum required range, but with the 1.52 patch shouldn't it be working?
Any help would be appreciated.
Serene1
System:
AMD Athlon XP 1800+ 1.5gz
GeForce4 440MX 64mb (updated driver to 81.98)
512mb ram
I have set the AGP aperature to 128mb with no improvement. I set memory saver=1 in the Civ IV ini only to have the game crash so I set it back to 0. I've been using low resolution, and tiny maps in the game, but it still crashes. I know my system is at the minimum required range, but with the 1.52 patch shouldn't it be working?
Any help would be appreciated.
Serene1
blue3c
Warlord
Ok my feelings for firaxis/take2 should be well known by now.
Just thought I would state that first in case anyone gets confused.
I myself am having more problems later in the game since the 1.52 patch.
Several occasions I got this error, which I might add did not appear until the latest patch
your system has run out of video memory. Please trying reducing your video settings.
File:\main\ciilization4.bak\SDKs\Gamebryo2_0\CoreL ibs\NiSX9Renderer\NiDXIBManager.cpp, Line:656
Has anyone else seen this fun error?
Just thought I would state that first in case anyone gets confused.
I myself am having more problems later in the game since the 1.52 patch.
Several occasions I got this error, which I might add did not appear until the latest patch
your system has run out of video memory. Please trying reducing your video settings.
File:\main\ciilization4.bak\SDKs\Gamebryo2_0\CoreL ibs\NiSX9Renderer\NiDXIBManager.cpp, Line:656
Has anyone else seen this fun error?
