19 of 18 Civs now confirmed!

I would love to see Siam in the game, preferably lead by Mongkut. :) It would certainly be a unique and flavorful choice. :goodjob:

As to the validity of this article, we'll have to wait and see if other sources confirm the same information...however this nonsense about giant robot mechs is silly. Of course I always stop playing my games of Civ4 in the mid-Industrial period so I suppose I can overlook this nonsense. :crazyeye:
 
Option 1: Firaxis be trollin (You thought we said 18? Haha, no.)
Option 2: One or more magazines are wrong
Option 3: City-states with unique units


I'll speculate that it's options 2& 3.

Even some of the fanatics mistake photos, writing that Bismark is Stalin. I don't believe that all of the magazines are as focused as ourselves, and the magazines either made mistakes or mispoke with reports of Warlords and BTS, so I'm guessing they could be less than infallible again.


How about some Stokholm Berserkers? Some Geneva Landsnechts? It might be worth befriending a city-state for those.
 
i bet city-states do have uu. Maybe if you ally with them, you can build their uu.
 
i bet city-states do have uu. Maybe if you ally with them, you can build their uu.

Or more likely they Gift you their UU.

It's also possible their UU depends on resources they have... so you might befriend Ninevah (militaristic city state) and because Ninevah has Elephants in range they gift you with some Siamese Elephants UU every so often.
 
That's what I've been saying, being friends with a city state gives you the ability to build or otherwise recruit special units. Like minor tribes in AoE III. Personally, I think that would make a lot of sense.
 
I think the entire attention towards civilizations are unnecessary in general. If you don't like some civilizations, then just don't play with them. If you want a civilization that isn't in the game, then we're Civ Fanatics, aren't we? This place will have mods for you in an instant for the civilization or leader you want. I also never saw any reason for these civilizations to be decided upon influence. I actually want the whole preset civilization system to be scrapped in general, as I had stated in a thread of mine, but, besides that point, Siam frankly adds an amount of diversity to the game, balancing European and Asian countries in the game. Just because they didn't go out to invade other countries and become an imperial power, doesn't mean we should just overlook countries like Siam, Vietnam, Burma, etc. from being in the game.
 
Compared to the Babylonians, the Spanish, or Portuguese, these guys are insignificant.
So compared to some of the most significant civs in history they're insignificant? Well reasoned, sir. Siam's a perfectly reasonable inclusion in the game; there are certainly less deserving civs that have been previously included. More importantly, it wouldn't make sense as a city state.
 
Siam is too minor to be a civ.

All Asian countries which were never conquered or colonized by Western powers please raise your hands. ;)
 
I doubt that, some previews have taken the steps to actual define them as NOT having the abilities of normal Civs. That indicates to me city-states won't have UU's.

Well, it certainly would be very interesting if some city states did have unique units. They mentioned that City States would give military units to their "masters" if they were pleased with them. That would certainly be a real inducement to be nice to them. :)
 
All Asian countries which were never conquered or colonized by Western powers please raise your hands. ;)

honestly that had more to do with its location as a strategic buffer between French and English colonies than any internal strength.
 
I think the entire attention towards civilizations are unnecessary in general.

True, but so is most speculation. When the game is released, the game is released. Very little we can do now will have any large impact on the state of the game at release. But this is CivFanatics. Anticipation is half the game.

I'm thinking the Siamese Elephants are probably the weak link. Many civilizations used Elephants in their armies and Landsknecht aren't really native to any one empire (Maybe the Germans or the Swiss, from memory).

So either the last confirmed Civilization is Persia (You really can't get much more specific than Immortals) or there are more than 18 civs. In which case I totally called it.
 
honestly that had more to do with its location as a strategic buffer between French and English colonies than any internal strength.

Meh. They played their cards right. Excellent diplomacy skills in my opinion.
If they are in Civ 5 they will probably have some diplomatic bonuses I would guess.

I am excited about Thailand/Siam possibly being in the game. My girlfriend is from there and I have been telling her about ciV. She seems very interested.
She would probably be more inclined to play if Thailand/Siam was in the game. :)
 
My theory: The Danish magazine which reported that Firaxis was resurrecting Quecha (the language of the Inca) was confused, and really meant Classical Nahutal (the language of the Aztecs).

Ergo:

Inca are out, Persians and Thai are in.
 
Me thinks that 'Siamese Elephants' could be the result of an overzealous blogger seeing plain old war elephants. And then if Persia is in because of Immortals, that's your 18. Assuming the Landsknechts are German.

And I will laugh so hard if there are Giant Death Robots.
 
My theory: The Danish magazine which reported that Firaxis was resurrecting Quecha (the language of the Inca) was confused, and really meant Classical Nahutal (the language of the Aztecs).

Ergo:

Inca are out, Persians and Thai are in.

That's a good theory actually. Although Nahuatl is not extinct, the classical version is not spoken any more. So they would have had to sort of resurrect it so to speak.
Some information on Nahuatl. I didn't know chocolate and tomato were from Nahuatl.
It's a poor day if you don't learn something new I think.

Nahuatl (Nahuatl pronunciation: [ˈnaː.watɬ] ( listen), with stress on the first syllable) is a group of related languages and dialects of the Nahuan (traditionally called "Aztecan") branch of the Uto-Aztecan language family. Collectively they are spoken by an estimated 1.5 million Nahua people, most of whom live in Central Mexico. All Nahuan languages are indigenous to Mesoamerica.

The Classical Nahuatl word nāhuatl (noun stem nāhua, + absolutive[2] -tl ) is thought to mean "a good, clear sound"[3] This language name has several spellings, among them Náhuatl (the standard spelling in the Spanish language[4]), Naoatl, Nauatl, Nahuatl, Nawatl. In a back formation from the name of the language, the ethnic group of Nahuatl speakers are called Nahua.

Nahuatl has been spoken in Central Mexico since at least the 7th century AD.[5] It was the language of the Aztecs, who dominated what is now central Mexico during the Late Postclassic period of Mesoamerican chronology. During the preceding century and a half, the expansion and influence of the Aztec Empire had led to the variety spoken by the residents of Tenochtitlan becoming a prestige language in Mesoamerica. With the introduction of the Latin alphabet, Nahuatl also became a literary language and many chronicles, grammars, works of poetry, administrative documents and codices were written in the 16th and 17th centuries.[6] This early literary language based on the Tenochtitlan variety has been labeled Classical Nahuatl and is among the most studied and best documented languages of the Americas.[7]

Today Nahuatl languages[8] are spoken in scattered communities mostly in rural areas. There are considerable differences among varieties, and some are mutually unintelligible. They have all been subject to varying degrees of influence from Spanish. No modern Nahuatl languages are identical to Classical Nahuatl, but those spoken in and around the Valley of Mexico are generally more closely related to it than those on the periphery.[9] Under Mexico's Ley General de Derechos Lingüísticos de los Pueblos Indígenas ("General Law on the Linguistic Rights of Indigenous Peoples") promulgated in 2003,[10] Nahuatl along with the other indigenous languages of Mexico are recognized as lenguas nacionales ("national languages") in the regions where they are spoken, enjoying the same status as Spanish within their region.[11]

Nahuatl is a language with a complex morphology characterized by polysynthesis and agglutination, allowing the construction of long words with complex meanings out of several stems and affixes. Nahuatl has been influenced by other Mesoamerican languages through centuries of coexistence, and with them forms the Mesoamerican Linguistic Area.

Many words from Nahuatl have been borrowed into Spanish and thence have diffused into hundreds of other languages. Most of these loanwords denote things indigenous to central Mexico which the Spanish heard mentioned for the first time by their Nahuatl names. English words of Nahuatl origin include "avocado", "chili", "chocolate", "coyote" and "tomato".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nahuatl

I do think they would want a Civ from South America though. Without the Incas, there would be none. I guess we'll see.
 
My Italian isn't that good, but from what I understand of this text direct from the magazine, it definitely says "Siamese Elephants" and "Persian Immortals".
i know italian and your translation seems correct. however, this doesn't confirm anything, just like other posters told.

only 2 new units are mentioned in this text: siamese elephants and landsknecht. they could just belong to already-confirmed civs like indian and german. we have 1 slot now and i don't think HRE will be in vanilla. but khmers/siam might be IN maybe.

EDIT: sorry, persian immortals are mentioned as well. so i think, if that article is right, persia could be the 18th just as i expected.
 
I think unless we get a leader-head name specifically mentioned (and even then, some of the reports are wrong (Stalin-Bismark, Elizabeth-Victoria), all the 'mentioned' civs are still up in the air. That is to say, if they're sticking with 18 civ's and aren't being super-special-awesome and adding more.

Vikings - In Trailer
Inca - Language studies
Persia - Immortal UU
HRE? - Landsknecht UU
Siam - Elephant UU
 
Aren't civs going to have multiple UUs?
traits are out so it could be fine if each civ had 2 UUs.

it wouldn't be a problem for germans just like landsknecht and panzer.
however that could be a problem for civs who have appeared in only ancient period of history. for such civs, 2 UUs might appear in the same period and that could damage the balance.
 
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