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Tejada is a patient hitter. His ability to not strike out and take a walk is his one redeeming quality at this point, although his slide in AVG and power and just about every single other baseball related skill has made his OBP also slide down outside acceptable MoneyBall(TM) levels. But Juan Uribe was worse in that regard, even in his "prime." (If you can call any year his prime, really the guy's never been that great.) Uribe was sub .300 OBP for most of his career, so he has no where to go other than the nether regions of K-ville, in the country of Unproductive At Batistan. Enjoy those at bats Dodgers fans!
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I agree 100%. Sure he was clutch, but he struck out so many friggen times. He was quite literally impossible to walk.
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Not a good game for the Phillies last night. Hamels wasn't hitting his spots with his pitches and almost everything the Mets hit would find a hole.
Chris Young officially goes on the hated Mets list.
Not that those lists really have meaning or staying power however. I vividly remember attending a game back in the mid 80s up in the general admission section of the Vet, and all game long, whenever Lenny Dyksta came to the plate, a guy near us was yelling, "Dyksta's a dyke!" Every at bat, all while he was being pitched to. Of course, Dykstra turned into a hero here in 1993.
Chris Young officially goes on the hated Mets list.
Not that those lists really have meaning or staying power however. I vividly remember attending a game back in the mid 80s up in the general admission section of the Vet, and all game long, whenever Lenny Dyksta came to the plate, a guy near us was yelling, "Dyksta's a dyke!" Every at bat, all while he was being pitched to. Of course, Dykstra turned into a hero here in 1993.
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nice sounds like a 700 Level comment. they could probably say "Dykstra's a Douche!" now what a disaster as a financier and a human being 
sucks, too b/c he has a special place in the minds of many phils fans.young is a rag arm who will end up with a 4.5 era and will be the scrub we all knew him to be before he had that flash-in-the-pan season pitching in the SD Cavern
he is smarter than me though 
heard on espn radio this morning that the 3 of 4 the dodgers took from sf was the first time la has won that many of a 4 game series in 10 years. hard to believe harry
Boston and Tampa are both 0-4. Tampa I could kinda see...they got killed in free agency and now their best player is hurt, but whats up the Red Sox?
PS-feel free to figure that out after you leave Cleveland. I'd like to climb above .500 in April for once.
PS-feel free to figure that out after you leave Cleveland. I'd like to climb above .500 in April for once.
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i saw where they had, like, 9 thousand people in attendance at the indians games this weekend, lowest turnout ever.
I saw that too, and now baseball writers have the audacity to throw Tribe fans under the bus for it?
Look. The owner is a cheapskate, we just traded away Cliff Lee and CC Sabathia for basically nothing (our best young player came in from the Casey Blake trade), everybody knows the team is going to stink, and its 43 degrees outside. I love the Tribe, but if I lived in Cleveland, I wouldn't have gone either. Call me when it's warm.
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Yeah, baseball is a warm weather game. That had to hurt attendance some in Cleveland over the past weekend. I like to go to a game and not be dressed in a coat or even a light jacket.
As much as Dykstra's personality was suited to making him a hustling and hard-playing athlete, it hasn't been so well-suited to being a decent and responsible human being. It's a bit of a shame. You can see the same sort of effect in Pete Rose too. Or Ty Cobb. Athletes and men who were driven to be the best they can be at baseball, but in other basic areas of living, were rather horrible individuals.
But man, Dykstra was totally jobbed out of an All-Star selection in 1993. He was having one of the greatest seasons ever seen out of a leadoff hitter, and Bobby Cox selected Marquis Grissom instead of Dykstra to be on the team. Bobby Cox went on to the list of hate for that.
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he also beat his wife, you know 
we philly fans have long memories. one of the most unbelievable seasons from a leadoff guy, ever.
we philly fans have long memories. one of the most unbelievable seasons from a leadoff guy, ever.
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It was a season that was probably helped by steroids. Dykstra had gotten a lot bigger by 1993.he also beat his wife, you know
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yea, like i said, repulsive
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should have had 2 more on tue night had it not been for that howling wind at the Bank. long season, boys but remember what Justo said in April 
but remember what Justo said in April
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I bet no one expected Boston to start 0 and 5. Only 2 teams that have started 0 and 5 have gone on to win their divisions --
1974 Pittsburgh who finished 88 and 74, and 1995 Cincinnati who went 85 and 59. But that's a bit of cherry picking to say that the Bosox are most likely toasted, plenty of teams have had 5-game losing streaks at some time during a season and still made the playoffs.
As for the Disastros, 0 and 5 isn't so surprising.
Of course, there is a point of what I remember that Bill James wrote about in one of his Abstracts back in the 80s, what he termed statistical significance. Good teams can lose 5 in a row. But it becomes less likely they will lose 6 in a row. Or 7. 8. 9. In fact, if you get to 9 losses in a row, you might find it very hard or impossible to find a team that has made the playoffs and had a 9 game losing streak.
ETA: Well I've been checking schedules and results available on Baseball Reference, and just found that the 1922 Yankees had an 8-game losing streak. They went from June 12th to the 19th without a win, got beat pretty soundly in most of those 8 games, although 2 losses were by 1 run and the loss on the 19th was by 2 runs to Cleveland. They then finally ended the streak with a 1-run win over Cleveland on the 20th. They also won on the 21st, then went to Boston where they lost the first 4 of a 5 games series with the Red Sox. But the '22 Yankees were a pretty good team overall, 94 and 60, and they just edged out the Browns for the pennant. I wonder what caused that 2 and 12 stretch in June.
1974 Pittsburgh who finished 88 and 74, and 1995 Cincinnati who went 85 and 59. But that's a bit of cherry picking to say that the Bosox are most likely toasted, plenty of teams have had 5-game losing streaks at some time during a season and still made the playoffs.
As for the Disastros, 0 and 5 isn't so surprising.
Of course, there is a point of what I remember that Bill James wrote about in one of his Abstracts back in the 80s, what he termed statistical significance. Good teams can lose 5 in a row. But it becomes less likely they will lose 6 in a row. Or 7. 8. 9. In fact, if you get to 9 losses in a row, you might find it very hard or impossible to find a team that has made the playoffs and had a 9 game losing streak.
ETA: Well I've been checking schedules and results available on Baseball Reference, and just found that the 1922 Yankees had an 8-game losing streak. They went from June 12th to the 19th without a win, got beat pretty soundly in most of those 8 games, although 2 losses were by 1 run and the loss on the 19th was by 2 runs to Cleveland. They then finally ended the streak with a 1-run win over Cleveland on the 20th. They also won on the 21st, then went to Boston where they lost the first 4 of a 5 games series with the Red Sox. But the '22 Yankees were a pretty good team overall, 94 and 60, and they just edged out the Browns for the pennant. I wonder what caused that 2 and 12 stretch in June.
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edged out the browns for the pennant
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The Browns in 1922 were a very good team. 93 and 61, George Sisler hit .420 that season with a 41 game hitting streak and Ken Williams hit .332 with 39 home runs and 155 RBIs. They scored 867 runs and allowed 643, which calculates to a Pythagorean record of 98 and 56. They may have had some bad luck causing them to underperform there.
But I've just come across the 1951 Giants, a team of extremes. The NYG had a 16 game winning streak, but also lost 11 in a row from April 19 to April 29th. They got off to a horrible start, 2 and 12 by April 29th, and would then go 96 and 44, almost a .700 winning percentage for the rest of the year.
That was also the team with Bobby Thomson's shot heard round the world.
But I've just come across the 1951 Giants, a team of extremes. The NYG had a 16 game winning streak, but also lost 11 in a row from April 19 to April 29th. They got off to a horrible start, 2 and 12 by April 29th, and would then go 96 and 44, almost a .700 winning percentage for the rest of the year.
That was also the team with Bobby Thomson's shot heard round the world.
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not doubting that they weren't good but when you reference the st louis browns, i'm gonna make note of it just a friendly poke 
just a friendly poke
I hate all the news stories about how "no team who went 0 and 5 has won bla bla bla." This kind of incessant stupid hand wringing is what gives Red Sox fans a bad name. Hey guess what, in 2004 no team had won a 7 game playoff series in any sport other than Hockey when down 0 and 3, how did that story turn out ***holes? (Not any of you, sportswriters)
Seriously, it's April. I remember so many seasons when the Sox got off to a great start and the Yankees got off to a horrible one, and everyone was saying how "this was the year" yada yada and then the Yankees stormed back when it counted and slaughtered us.
When it becomes apparent that our rotation is horrible, that is when I will worry. And that day will likely come in June when Becket and Dice-K and Lackey have all combined for a 6 ERA. When it becomes apparent that we are incapable of fixing that problem, (which you cannot know until the trade deadline) then I will really be concerned.
Seriously, it's April. I remember so many seasons when the Sox got off to a great start and the Yankees got off to a horrible one, and everyone was saying how "this was the year" yada yada and then the Yankees stormed back when it counted and slaughtered us.
When it becomes apparent that our rotation is horrible, that is when I will worry. And that day will likely come in June when Becket and Dice-K and Lackey have all combined for a 6 ERA. When it becomes apparent that we are incapable of fixing that problem, (which you cannot know until the trade deadline) then I will really be concerned.
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I got some numbers tallied regarding losing streaks and their frequencies in Word Series participants.
There's only ever been one team to have a double digit losing streak, 11 games, and reach the World Series. That was the 1951 Giants.
The 1953 New York Yankees lost 9 games in a row during the season and went on to the Series.
There have been 6 teams that have had 8-game losing streaks and reached the World Series: 1922 Yankees, 1961 Reds, 1980 Royals, 1990 Reds, 2006 Cardinals, and 2007 Rockies. Of those 6, only the 1990 Reds and the 2006 Cardinals won the World Series.
12 teams had 7-game losing streaks and made the World Series. So it's infrequent, but possible. 43 teams had 6-game losing streaks and made it. 57 teams had 5-game losing streaks. The most frequently occurring maximum losing streak was 4 games -- 82 of the teams in the World Series had losing streaks of at most 4 games.
A small number had seasons where they never suffered more than 3 defeats in a row, 16 times. Obviously, they were all very good teams. 1957 was the only year in which 2 of those 16 teams met in the World Series. Both the Milwaukee Braves and New York Yankees had never lost more than 3 games in a row that season. Teams that have at most 3-game losing streaks have been getting less frequent over time. The first 8 of them occurred between 1903 and 1932, 30 years, we've seen only 8 more over the last 77 seasons. It's probably because over time measures have been taken to assure more equitable talent distribution along with all teams, even the bad ones, becoming better and more efficient at evaluating talent and needs. So the good teams can't rise as far above their peers as they could in the earlier years of baseball.
The 1989 San Francisco Giants, who got swept in the World Series 4 games to none, were the last team to have been in the World Series and had at most a losing streak of 3 games in the regular season. They had 6 3-game losing streaks during the regular season.
There's only ever been one team to have a double digit losing streak, 11 games, and reach the World Series. That was the 1951 Giants.
The 1953 New York Yankees lost 9 games in a row during the season and went on to the Series.
There have been 6 teams that have had 8-game losing streaks and reached the World Series: 1922 Yankees, 1961 Reds, 1980 Royals, 1990 Reds, 2006 Cardinals, and 2007 Rockies. Of those 6, only the 1990 Reds and the 2006 Cardinals won the World Series.
12 teams had 7-game losing streaks and made the World Series. So it's infrequent, but possible. 43 teams had 6-game losing streaks and made it. 57 teams had 5-game losing streaks. The most frequently occurring maximum losing streak was 4 games -- 82 of the teams in the World Series had losing streaks of at most 4 games.
A small number had seasons where they never suffered more than 3 defeats in a row, 16 times. Obviously, they were all very good teams. 1957 was the only year in which 2 of those 16 teams met in the World Series. Both the Milwaukee Braves and New York Yankees had never lost more than 3 games in a row that season. Teams that have at most 3-game losing streaks have been getting less frequent over time. The first 8 of them occurred between 1903 and 1932, 30 years, we've seen only 8 more over the last 77 seasons. It's probably because over time measures have been taken to assure more equitable talent distribution along with all teams, even the bad ones, becoming better and more efficient at evaluating talent and needs. So the good teams can't rise as far above their peers as they could in the earlier years of baseball.
The 1989 San Francisco Giants, who got swept in the World Series 4 games to none, were the last team to have been in the World Series and had at most a losing streak of 3 games in the regular season. They had 6 3-game losing streaks during the regular season.
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