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28 MONTHS later is in the works
28 weeks later ending
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28 MONTHS later is in the works
mr_lewington
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i dont think it can because if it did, the rivers in england would get infected, which would infect the atlantic.
thats evaculating 100's of millions of ppl
also danny boyle said he wants the story to take place in russia so... DUN DUN DUN
There would be a fair chance that the America's and various islands would be safe. Actully, can the infected swim? If they can't, they could protect itself pretty well by a) shooting down all planes that come near them b) sinking all ships that come near too. I don't think they can, otherwise they would of swum the channel. But the whole of mainland Europe, Asia and Africa would be doomed.
You just can't move that many people. Think, the population of W. Europe would of been worried by the reports of this infection starting in England, scared when reports of it spreading (Selena's 'market towns') and absolutly ****** themselves when reports from London of infection on their streets. I suspect that when that happened, they decided to close off the UK. Using the last remaining communications into the UK (methinks radio), they lied and said that the infection had spread into the Americas and Europe. This would of stopped many Brits attempting to flee - there would be no point.
We need to remember that European militaries (with a few exceptions) just don't have massive reserves of troops or ammo anymore. It's too expensive. Even the German's have finally got rid of their surplus stock from unification. From what I have read, most Europeans would run out of ammo in a matter of a month. That is not taking into account the fact that if the infected broke through their lines, all would be lost.
The population of Western Europe is another point. Between Paris - Antwerp - Amsterdam - Kiel - Stuttgart is the highest population concentration in continental Europe. It's virtully impossible to fight the infected in an urban area, and most of this area is very, very urban. There is over
USA wouldn't send any new troops to help, as they would want to keep them at home. If they feel that all is lost, they may even attempt to get the ones stationed in Europe home again (like the 75K in Germany and 10K in Italy) to defend the homeland against infection. No doubt that some neo-cons would be planning a post-infection world, and those troops will be needed.
Each will look out for their own. The rest of NATO couldn't be bothered even to keep one radio tranmitter in the UK working (easy to do, it is all automated and they have generators for events like nuclear wars) to tell suvivors what has happened, and what to do.
You just can't move that many people. Think, the population of W. Europe would of been worried by the reports of this infection starting in England, scared when reports of it spreading (Selena's 'market towns') and absolutly ****** themselves when reports from London of infection on their streets. I suspect that when that happened, they decided to close off the UK. Using the last remaining communications into the UK (methinks radio), they lied and said that the infection had spread into the Americas and Europe. This would of stopped many Brits attempting to flee - there would be no point.
We need to remember that European militaries (with a few exceptions) just don't have massive reserves of troops or ammo anymore. It's too expensive. Even the German's have finally got rid of their surplus stock from unification. From what I have read, most Europeans would run out of ammo in a matter of a month. That is not taking into account the fact that if the infected broke through their lines, all would be lost.
The population of Western Europe is another point. Between Paris - Antwerp - Amsterdam - Kiel - Stuttgart is the highest population concentration in continental Europe. It's virtully impossible to fight the infected in an urban area, and most of this area is very, very urban. There is over
USA wouldn't send any new troops to help, as they would want to keep them at home. If they feel that all is lost, they may even attempt to get the ones stationed in Europe home again (like the 75K in Germany and 10K in Italy) to defend the homeland against infection. No doubt that some neo-cons would be planning a post-infection world, and those troops will be needed.
Each will look out for their own. The rest of NATO couldn't be bothered even to keep one radio tranmitter in the UK working (easy to do, it is all automated and they have generators for events like nuclear wars) to tell suvivors what has happened, and what to do.
mr_lewington
King
africa has the suez canal, blocking off africa from asia. also , ur forgetting some ppl can be carriers and russia is only wat? 9km from US? and the suez can be swam across.
Forgot about the Suez Canal. Russia's Kamchatka is very inhospitable, with the nasty terrian, poor communications and very low population density. They (the infected) would then have to use the Aleutian Islands to cross into the americas. Don't think the chances of that happening are high.
Well, people would allways survive. I suspect the main places people could survive in are;
1) Very islolated islands in the major oceans, such as Tristan de Cuhna and Pitcarn.
2) People in nuclear bunkers (as long as they managed to shut the doors in time)
3) Large ocean-going ships.
4) Very isolated areas due to the cold (Siberia, Greenland)
One thought I had was after the infection hit the continent, wouldn't the safest place be is in the UK? All the infected are (proberly) dead, and everybody else would be too busy to notice you slip in by boat.
Well, people would allways survive. I suspect the main places people could survive in are;
1) Very islolated islands in the major oceans, such as Tristan de Cuhna and Pitcarn.
2) People in nuclear bunkers (as long as they managed to shut the doors in time)
3) Large ocean-going ships.
4) Very isolated areas due to the cold (Siberia, Greenland)
One thought I had was after the infection hit the continent, wouldn't the safest place be is in the UK? All the infected are (proberly) dead, and everybody else would be too busy to notice you slip in by boat.
mr_lewington
King
lol thats so incredibly ironic
FriendlyFire
Codex WMDicanious
Getting to a boat then navigating the channel which can be difficult will be a risky task thou
1) The Channel is 21 miles wide at it's shortest point. It has been swum.
2) It is one of the busiest sea lanes in the world.
3) There are many small boats in marinas and docks in every port. Steal a motorboat - you can cross the channel in no time, and no ship experiance is needed (although a map and compass is)
4) The weather can be 'brisk'. Wait for a calm(ish) day. If you just can't wait, steal the largest powerboats you can find, rip down the sail, and go. Again, look in marinas. I'm thinking along the lines of the boat at the end of Dawn of The Dead ('06 Remake)
5) It has been completly charted. There will no suprises there unless the French Navy are there (possible) or the Infected have taken sailing lessons (highly improblile, but not impossible)
2) It is one of the busiest sea lanes in the world.
3) There are many small boats in marinas and docks in every port. Steal a motorboat - you can cross the channel in no time, and no ship experiance is needed (although a map and compass is)
4) The weather can be 'brisk'. Wait for a calm(ish) day. If you just can't wait, steal the largest powerboats you can find, rip down the sail, and go. Again, look in marinas. I'm thinking along the lines of the boat at the end of Dawn of The Dead ('06 Remake)
5) It has been completly charted. There will no suprises there unless the French Navy are there (possible) or the Infected have taken sailing lessons (highly improblile, but not impossible)
mr_lewington
King
ppl have swam the channel? obviously from the pas de calais rite?
mr_lewington
King
new sub-topic:
why was flynn's helicopter abandoned, but still intact and everything inside. it doesnt look like it crashed, but u would think flynn would take his family's pictures rite?
why was flynn's helicopter abandoned, but still intact and everything inside. it doesnt look like it crashed, but u would think flynn would take his family's pictures rite?
FriendlyFire
Codex WMDicanious
I'd imagine the ports would be in choas as people rushed to its perceived saftey. Remember the chaos at the british docks as people attempted to escape in the first movie 28 days later. Unless you one of the people with great forsight to get there early.
I thought the channel has strong currents from the gulf stream ?
I thought the channel has strong currents from the gulf stream ?
JerichoHill
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All it would take is one person to breach quarantine and get over the Atlantic, right?
The best thing to do in a zombie outbreak is to get out of any urban area, and fortify around a hilltop residence out of the way. You'd likely ride the outbreak out.
The best thing to do in a zombie outbreak is to get out of any urban area, and fortify around a hilltop residence out of the way. You'd likely ride the outbreak out.
mr_lewington
King
not necisarrily. Major West had a fortified Position and he had 800 men, which were reduced to 8 in 27 days.
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If I remember correctly he's from 28 Days Later.
If thats the case then their collapse was not due to external causes but that of internal causes. Though it can be attributed to the infected it is worth remembering that they were led their and one was released in the base.
Corruption and Abuse of Power were their downfall.
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If thats the case then their collapse was not due to external causes but that of internal causes. Though it can be attributed to the infected it is worth remembering that they were led their and one was released in the base.
Corruption and Abuse of Power were their downfall.
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Trajan12
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I'd wondered about that. In 28 Days they spoke about hearing Paris and new York being overrun.
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We don't know how many people Major West lost at the barricade on the M60 - he could of decided to move to that country pile after the manpower losses made the barricade undefendible. Some may of been shot for delediction of duty, a few would have shot themselves and there would have been a few desertions. His CO may of also decided to take some men on a mission - and never returned.
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I waited until yesterday to see this movie because my girlfriend hadn't seen 28 Days yet and I didn't want her to be lost. So after many months of waiting this is the only thing that could be said about it.
IT WAS COPLETELY F-ING ********.
1.) Who the hell was the British guy in charge? Was he some engineer, some politician, a celebrity? Whoever he was, why the hell did he have a "get into everything" key card? What reason is there to give him access to military facilities? Medical facilities?
2.) They spend a few minutes showing and telling you how secure the US military has made the island, yet 2 kids just waltz right out? Then when actually seen, why didn't one of the 20 odd helicopters flying around stop them immediately?
3.) What purpose did turning off the power serve except to confuse/alarm everyone and making it harder to respond?
4.) Code Red. Obviously the military had thought about this. Obviously most members had a memorized response. Obviously they had the time and inclination to put some thought into an outbreak. Yet apparently the best these people could come up with was to lock all the civilians in a room secured solely by a 1/8" gauge chain? Oh yeah and lets not secure the doors on the other side of the room, nobody will ever think to try the other doors.
5.) As soon as the dad guy escapes from the securely sealed medical room where Alice is kept (why was their no camera/guard there for the only know threat in the entire base? Oh, she wasn't showing symptoms? Well neither were the kids in quarantine, and THEY had a guard.), even though there was no mechanism in the plot for this to have happened. How can this convulsing, bleeding form every orifice, blood covered, growling, howling person just casually walk up to fully armed soldiers on guard on the parking deck and take them out? I guess that guy could be someone having epileptic seizures, just got run over by a car, bathed in red paint, and lost the use of his speech all at the same time. Or we can remember we are on an island where 60 million people just died less than 28 weeks ago from something that looks just like what this guy has and waste him.
Several people here talk about it being hard to distinguish infected from non infected. Sorry guys, but I have NO problem doing so.
6.) The zombies can't swim, as was shown in at the beginning of the movie. So why did none of the containment plans include blowing the bridges from the colony?
7.) Why did they decolonize in London? I mean, where is it safer to repopulate a zombie infested island, in a densely packed and very indefensible metropolis or in a small town surrounded by farmland AKA killzones?
8.) Why do the zombies always know exactly where the "good guys" are? In all the chaos, people running around flailing everywhere, the Dad always finds the kids. That is even after they leave the compound form separate places, the kids drive around London haphazardly, and yet the dad STILL finds them. Even if I wasn't a brain dead lost half of my blood zombie, I sure as hell couldn't have pulled that off. It’s a damn good thing the zombie's weren't that good in the first movie.
9.) In the first movie the protagonists travel in the day because the zombies are not out, and lo and behold in the first movie the zombies aren't out except when awakened. Yet in this movie they are out all the time. Consistency writers, its not hard.
10.) Poison gas. Would someone please tell me of a chemical weapon that kills in less than a mimute and can be defended against by locking yourself in a car and closing the air vents (are they . .. .. .. .ing kidding me?). Oh yeah, they put their shirt over their mouth and nose. Awesome writers. Simply awesome.
BTW. Chemical weapons are heavier than air so they don't, you know, rise into the atmosphere and do nothing. The LAST place you would want to go is a subway.
11.) Why is the head medical doctor at a facility at the epicenter at the most devastating plague ever know to man 26 years old? I realize I am not a medical type and might be going beyond my expertise, but shouldn't she have finished her residency before getting a job like that?
12.) Night vision amplifies light, so if there isn't any there in the first place, like in a dark subway tunnel, it doesn't work.
13.) A helicopter designed to carry two and with only one passenger doesn't go out of control when a person grabs the skid and adds significantly less than the helo's lift weight to the airframe.
14.) While it was cool to watch jets fly so low that they went between high-rises, what was the point? What exactly did the "firebomb" the place with? What did firebombing do except a. )not burn down the buildings full of infected b.) totally confuse the situation and NOT kill all the infected c.) destroy any barriers that were keeping the infected at bay?
15.) How did that one sniper get attacked by the zombies on the roof? I mean, he was only 20-30 floors above them. Zombie A: "URRGHERE look at all these awesome humans to eat all around me UREAGEEUUUUFFF." Zombie B: "URRRRGGHHH Screw this easily accessible prey, let me utilize the intelligence and reasoning I don't have and attack that sniper I can't see through my blood engorged eyes, URRRGHHH." Zombie A: "GROWWWWLLLLL."
16.) "I am the dad. I am too stupid to take the guns off the soldiers I kill and use them on my prey, but I am smart enough to use key cards and security codes. I realize this makes no sense in any way shape or form, but the writers who created my character are certain you, the audience, are so stupid and brain dead that you just want to see me growl and bleed all over the place and will forgive this obvious and egregious plot hole."
17.) Despite seeing tanks and armored vehicles that are completely impervious to the infected, and despite them being armed with machine guns uniquely suited to mowing down human wave infantry charges, why is it left to a group of snipers to do the heavy lifting? I think we see one .50 cal firing during the entire outbreak sequence, which though firing straight in the crowd appears to be ineffective.
18.) "I am Seargent Bum. .. .. .. .. I was probably hand picked for this assignment and briefed on what happened in Britain just a few months ago, and am privy to the provisions of what a response to an outbreak will mean. Having had time to think about it before hand and accept or decline this assignment, I will still make a completely ******** decision when it comes to saving the lives of thousands at the expense of a few probably infected or already doomed people, or feeling warm and fuzzy inside because, well... Hmmmm? To be honest I don't know why, but the writers tell me I will feel warm and fuzzy and that you will empathize with me or rationalize my decision for me, so their is no need for the writers to come up with that themselves even though my actions immediately cause several thousand deaths, and eventually kill hundreds of millions."
19.) Why am I supposed to care about a little brat boy who single-handedly, by ignoring everything told to him and disregarding all common sense, doomed the world? From the second they showed up on screen I irrationally wanted both of these rug rats to die. First, because I knew they would be the excuse for every implausible and illogical plot development that would ruin this movie from the moment I saw them, and second because I knew all the cinema proles out there would forgive the writers for all those implausible and illogical plot developments because of them.
Of course it didn't take long for my irrational death wish for them to become a rational one, yet every character in the movie disregarded this.
20.) I remember the days of my youth, dancing around the streets of a plagued city, having tea parties with the millions of rotting corpses laying around. Though I didn't have an army of soldiers with orders to shoot at first sight roaming around, those kids are so lucky! Though in hindsight that doesn't add much of a thrill, seeing as those soldiers turned out to be incompetent, comatose, and in the possession of marksmanship skills on par with your average Imperial Stormtrooper. Except one of course, who uses his marksmanship to kill his own men.
Yeah, it is entirely normal for two traumatized kids to enter a dead city on their own with no hesitation or regard for life or limb. I mean, they are only zombies, we are different than the other 60 million people who were obviously just wussy girlie men.
21.) So, despite everything the little brat boy makes it to France. Is it just me, or does anyone else remember the brat getting a chunk of his shoulder bitten off by his dad, which is how he got infected in the first place. So, after getting to France, the whole world knowing not only about the original outbreak but also the new one, the medical technician that patches him up doesn’t think it particularly relevant that a boy with a British accent has a huge . .. .. .. .ing bite mark on him?
22.) And unresoved from the first movie. A virus that causes extreme irrational rage right? So why don't these infected attack their most immediate targets, themselves? I don't know about you guys, but I am pretty sure I can only puke up pints of blood for an hour or two before dieing. Just might just be me though.
Thats all I can muster for now, but I have plenty more...
IT WAS COPLETELY F-ING ********.
1.) Who the hell was the British guy in charge? Was he some engineer, some politician, a celebrity? Whoever he was, why the hell did he have a "get into everything" key card? What reason is there to give him access to military facilities? Medical facilities?
2.) They spend a few minutes showing and telling you how secure the US military has made the island, yet 2 kids just waltz right out? Then when actually seen, why didn't one of the 20 odd helicopters flying around stop them immediately?
3.) What purpose did turning off the power serve except to confuse/alarm everyone and making it harder to respond?
4.) Code Red. Obviously the military had thought about this. Obviously most members had a memorized response. Obviously they had the time and inclination to put some thought into an outbreak. Yet apparently the best these people could come up with was to lock all the civilians in a room secured solely by a 1/8" gauge chain? Oh yeah and lets not secure the doors on the other side of the room, nobody will ever think to try the other doors.
5.) As soon as the dad guy escapes from the securely sealed medical room where Alice is kept (why was their no camera/guard there for the only know threat in the entire base? Oh, she wasn't showing symptoms? Well neither were the kids in quarantine, and THEY had a guard.), even though there was no mechanism in the plot for this to have happened. How can this convulsing, bleeding form every orifice, blood covered, growling, howling person just casually walk up to fully armed soldiers on guard on the parking deck and take them out? I guess that guy could be someone having epileptic seizures, just got run over by a car, bathed in red paint, and lost the use of his speech all at the same time. Or we can remember we are on an island where 60 million people just died less than 28 weeks ago from something that looks just like what this guy has and waste him.
Several people here talk about it being hard to distinguish infected from non infected. Sorry guys, but I have NO problem doing so.
6.) The zombies can't swim, as was shown in at the beginning of the movie. So why did none of the containment plans include blowing the bridges from the colony?
7.) Why did they decolonize in London? I mean, where is it safer to repopulate a zombie infested island, in a densely packed and very indefensible metropolis or in a small town surrounded by farmland AKA killzones?
8.) Why do the zombies always know exactly where the "good guys" are? In all the chaos, people running around flailing everywhere, the Dad always finds the kids. That is even after they leave the compound form separate places, the kids drive around London haphazardly, and yet the dad STILL finds them. Even if I wasn't a brain dead lost half of my blood zombie, I sure as hell couldn't have pulled that off. It’s a damn good thing the zombie's weren't that good in the first movie.
9.) In the first movie the protagonists travel in the day because the zombies are not out, and lo and behold in the first movie the zombies aren't out except when awakened. Yet in this movie they are out all the time. Consistency writers, its not hard.
10.) Poison gas. Would someone please tell me of a chemical weapon that kills in less than a mimute and can be defended against by locking yourself in a car and closing the air vents (are they . .. .. .. .ing kidding me?). Oh yeah, they put their shirt over their mouth and nose. Awesome writers. Simply awesome.
BTW. Chemical weapons are heavier than air so they don't, you know, rise into the atmosphere and do nothing. The LAST place you would want to go is a subway.
11.) Why is the head medical doctor at a facility at the epicenter at the most devastating plague ever know to man 26 years old? I realize I am not a medical type and might be going beyond my expertise, but shouldn't she have finished her residency before getting a job like that?
12.) Night vision amplifies light, so if there isn't any there in the first place, like in a dark subway tunnel, it doesn't work.
13.) A helicopter designed to carry two and with only one passenger doesn't go out of control when a person grabs the skid and adds significantly less than the helo's lift weight to the airframe.
14.) While it was cool to watch jets fly so low that they went between high-rises, what was the point? What exactly did the "firebomb" the place with? What did firebombing do except a. )not burn down the buildings full of infected b.) totally confuse the situation and NOT kill all the infected c.) destroy any barriers that were keeping the infected at bay?
15.) How did that one sniper get attacked by the zombies on the roof? I mean, he was only 20-30 floors above them. Zombie A: "URRGHERE look at all these awesome humans to eat all around me UREAGEEUUUUFFF." Zombie B: "URRRRGGHHH Screw this easily accessible prey, let me utilize the intelligence and reasoning I don't have and attack that sniper I can't see through my blood engorged eyes, URRRGHHH." Zombie A: "GROWWWWLLLLL."
16.) "I am the dad. I am too stupid to take the guns off the soldiers I kill and use them on my prey, but I am smart enough to use key cards and security codes. I realize this makes no sense in any way shape or form, but the writers who created my character are certain you, the audience, are so stupid and brain dead that you just want to see me growl and bleed all over the place and will forgive this obvious and egregious plot hole."
17.) Despite seeing tanks and armored vehicles that are completely impervious to the infected, and despite them being armed with machine guns uniquely suited to mowing down human wave infantry charges, why is it left to a group of snipers to do the heavy lifting? I think we see one .50 cal firing during the entire outbreak sequence, which though firing straight in the crowd appears to be ineffective.
18.) "I am Seargent Bum. .. .. .. .. I was probably hand picked for this assignment and briefed on what happened in Britain just a few months ago, and am privy to the provisions of what a response to an outbreak will mean. Having had time to think about it before hand and accept or decline this assignment, I will still make a completely ******** decision when it comes to saving the lives of thousands at the expense of a few probably infected or already doomed people, or feeling warm and fuzzy inside because, well... Hmmmm? To be honest I don't know why, but the writers tell me I will feel warm and fuzzy and that you will empathize with me or rationalize my decision for me, so their is no need for the writers to come up with that themselves even though my actions immediately cause several thousand deaths, and eventually kill hundreds of millions."
19.) Why am I supposed to care about a little brat boy who single-handedly, by ignoring everything told to him and disregarding all common sense, doomed the world? From the second they showed up on screen I irrationally wanted both of these rug rats to die. First, because I knew they would be the excuse for every implausible and illogical plot development that would ruin this movie from the moment I saw them, and second because I knew all the cinema proles out there would forgive the writers for all those implausible and illogical plot developments because of them.
Of course it didn't take long for my irrational death wish for them to become a rational one, yet every character in the movie disregarded this.
20.) I remember the days of my youth, dancing around the streets of a plagued city, having tea parties with the millions of rotting corpses laying around. Though I didn't have an army of soldiers with orders to shoot at first sight roaming around, those kids are so lucky! Though in hindsight that doesn't add much of a thrill, seeing as those soldiers turned out to be incompetent, comatose, and in the possession of marksmanship skills on par with your average Imperial Stormtrooper. Except one of course, who uses his marksmanship to kill his own men.
Yeah, it is entirely normal for two traumatized kids to enter a dead city on their own with no hesitation or regard for life or limb. I mean, they are only zombies, we are different than the other 60 million people who were obviously just wussy girlie men.
21.) So, despite everything the little brat boy makes it to France. Is it just me, or does anyone else remember the brat getting a chunk of his shoulder bitten off by his dad, which is how he got infected in the first place. So, after getting to France, the whole world knowing not only about the original outbreak but also the new one, the medical technician that patches him up doesn’t think it particularly relevant that a boy with a British accent has a huge . .. .. .. .ing bite mark on him?
22.) And unresoved from the first movie. A virus that causes extreme irrational rage right? So why don't these infected attack their most immediate targets, themselves? I don't know about you guys, but I am pretty sure I can only puke up pints of blood for an hour or two before dieing. Just might just be me though.
Thats all I can muster for now, but I have plenty more...
JerichoHill
Bedrock of Knowledge
Good points Pat
