50 bobcats vs Grizzly Bear

[KmDubya]

50 is a lot more than you seem to think. This fight wouldn't even be remotely close.

How would the bobcats hurt the grizzly? Their claws are way too short and their strength way too weak to scratch the bear as well as their teeth. They could not reach a major artery or cut any tendons to cripple.

A jaguar is not that much bigger than a bobcat and relies on stealth and ambush to hunt, a grizzly relies on power and speed to run down and kill what it wants. Now 50 dogs would be different as dogs have powerful jaws and could hamstring and cripple the bear and then go for the kill.

 

[Zack]

Again, FIFTY is an insane amount of enemies for any one animal to defeat by itself.

 

[Kyriakos]

Not really. Various animals are known to routinely kill tens of other animals even if the latter are not that smaller. Wasps vs Ants would be a good example.

 

[Cutlass]

People used to do bear-bating where a pack of dogs would be put to attacking a bear. Lots of dogs died, but the bear did too. A bobcat is at least as dangerous as most dogs.

 

[bhsup]

Don't be silly, Cutlass. A bobcat is only the equivalent of two house cats!

 

[dutchfire]

Bob cat you say?

 

[Archbob]

People used to do bear-bating where a pack of dogs would be put to attacking a bear. Lots of dogs died, but the bear did too. A bobcat is at least as dangerous as most dogs.

The bear were often chained to a pole and had restricted movement and those dogs were big dogs of very large size, more like wolf-dogs.

 

[KmDubya]

Also dogs have very strong jaws, unlike cats. Cats kill with long sharp teeth penetrating to hit arteries or other vital areas. A pack of dogs kill by each one grabbing a limb and holding it, once immobilized or crippled if tendons or bones are snapped, another dog can go for the throat.

A pack of dogs would take a bear as long as the dogs were good sized - pit bulls, mastiffs or the like. An equivalent sized dog to a bobcat would be too small to be effective.

Still no one has said how the little bobcats would actually be able to bring down and kill the bear. The only point that keeps being made is that fifty is too many to overcome.

 

[Zack]

The only point that keeps being made is that fifty is too many to overcome.

It hasn't been refuted.

 

[KmDubya]

Overcoming fifty animals that can not hurt you just takes time. Hell the bear could probably take a nap part way through if it got tired and the little kitties could not hurt him.

 

[Zack]

Overcoming fifty animals that can not hurt you just takes time. Hell the bear could probably take a nap part way through if it got tired and the little kitties could not hurt him.

So fatigue doesn't exist? And injuries don't exist if they're not fatal?

 

[KmDubya]

How do you see the bobcats hurting the bear?

With claws?

With its teeth?

Neither of which can get past the bear's thick fur and underlying layer of thick fat.

 

[Zack]

How do you see the bobcats hurting the bear?

With claws?

With its teeth?

Neither of which can get past the bear's thick fur and underlying layer of thick fat.

So what you're telling me, is that if a grizzly is bitten fifty times, it won't have a single scratch.

I don't think there's anything more this thread than this:

bobcats: still vicious, still strong for their size
50: still a big number in terms of animals
grizzly bear: still just one of them

This is no different than the previous thread.

 

[KmDubya]

So what you're telling me, is that if a grizzly is bitten fifty times, it won't have a single scratch.

I don't think there's anything more this thread than this:

What I am saying is that the teeth of the bobcat are too short too get through the thick fur and the layer of fat that the bear has in order to reach anything vital. Without tearing an artery the bear will not bleed out quickly enough before it has time to one shot each of the fifty bobcats. Surface cuts and minor bites will at best only make the bear mad. In bear country people carry 12 gauge shotguns or large caliber handguns like .44 magnums and .50 because smaller firearms just make the bear mad. If normal handguns will not stop a bear how do you think a small cat will?

 

[Kyriakos]

Overcoming fifty animals that can not hurt you just takes time. Hell the bear could probably take a nap part way through if it got tired and the little kitties could not hurt him.

We are just wrong, and should admit that... Afterall nothing can defeat so many other beings. Imagine a rhino fighting those tens of humans without any weapons to assist them (eg a single spear, if one of them carrying it is Astinos ).
Pretty sure the Rhino will give up on fighting the bare-handed humans, cause there are tens of them. It's suicide.

For smaller animals, like a crocodile, i am sure it takes just 5 random humans to immobilise it with their strong arms.

 

[dutchfire]

How many hits to the eyes can the Grizzly take?

 

[Zack]

What I am saying is that the teeth of the bobcat are too short too get through the thick fur and the layer of fat that the bear has in order to reach anything vital. Without tearing an artery the bear will not bleed out quickly enough before it has time to one shot each of the fifty bobcats. Surface cuts and minor bites will at best only make the bear mad. In bear country people carry 12 gauge shotguns or large caliber handguns like .44 magnums and .50 because smaller firearms just make the bear mad. If normal handguns will not stop a bear how do you think a small cat will?

Even if they were shot fifty times?

For smaller animals, like a crocodile, i am sure it takes just 5 random humans to immobilise it with their strong arms.

Since when is five the same as fifty?

 

[Marla_Singer]

Let's visualize the fight.

I say the bobcats win.

 

[Archbob]

No, if it were those bobcats, the grizzlies would totally win.

 

[KmDubya]

The bear is not fighting fifty at once as only about ten could get at the bear at the same time. The other forty would have to wait their turn. If too many cats got on the bear's back he could just roll and crush them.

Once again one bite from the bear and it is a dead kitty, one swing and the kitty is flying and probably dead or crippled on impact.

The bobcats do not have the means to kill the bear. Their claws and teeth are worthless against an animal that has fur that is that thick as well as a thick fat layer covering its muscles and arteries and veins.

Even if the bear somehow ended up blind it could still kill the bobcats as they jumped on it. Losing your eyes won't kill you.