5CC Space Race interest thread

[DWetzel]

Works for me, if nothing else it should liven up the end game. I wouldn't ally anybody in though, we want to be able to make it a quickie.

Only danger is if somehow France gets roped into a war and we have to deal with them somehow.

I don't know how much military you've built up.

 

[del62]

Sounds OK, someone else must be in Modern Age, for the Incans to be trading their aluminium to someone else, (where is the viking Aluminium?)

 

[TheOverseer714]

They are trading it to the Babylonians, who apparently have none of their own. The only agreement I will do is a ROP with the Inca, and I will keep the borders blocked. Our military is like the IDF, small, well-trained and armed wiith the best weapons available.

 

[del62]

Yeah, I dont think we should sell Synthetic Fibres to Incans

I thought ottomans had two Aluminium sources though

 

[TheOverseer714]

I did sell them Ecology for Aluminum, seems like the source they had been trading beame available again later, after I had commited to the war. Here, read all about it in the turn-log:

Spoiler :

Pre-flight: CivAssist 2, Word running. Get the save loaded. Look things over.
Looking good.

Non-Combat
Workers 2
Slaves 20

Military units:
Ancient Cavalry 8
Cossacks 3
Mech Infantry 22
Tanks 11
Army 1, 3 Ancient Cavs
Artillery 11
Transport 1

Total units 59
Allowed units 20
Support cost 78 gpt

Contacts
Babylon-Peace
France-Peace
Inca-Peace
Ottomans-Peace
Vikings- Peace
Hittites- Peace
Portugal- Eliminated

Cities
Moscow, Size 25, growth stalled, The Internet in 9 turns.
Novgorod, Size 27, growth in 9, Military Academy in 3 turns.
Rostov, Size 25, growth in 12, Manhattan Project in 8 turns.
Yaroslav, Size 32 growth in 6, Offshre Platform in 17 turns.
Yekatarinaburg, Size 27, growth in 8, Mass Transit in 4 turns.

Sliders
10/0/0, Synthetic Fibers in 2 turns at +491 gpt, 11926 in the bank.

Hit enter=>

IBT: Get a demand for Rubber from Babylon. I decline. Hammy backs down.

Turn 1, 1505 AD: Nothing to do.

IBT: Synthetic Fibers arrives, next is Nuclear Power.

Turn 2, 1510 AD: Change Moscow to SS Exterior Casing, due in 2 turns.
Change Novgorod to SS Storage/Supply, due in 1 turn.
Upgrade 5 Tanks.

IBT: Novgorod SS Storage/Supply=>Police Station.
We lose the Aluminum deal, and the Inca have traded it to someone else!

Turn 3 1515 AD: Check the map for Aluminum, the Vikings have one, I am tempted to war with them to obtain this critical resource, as they are useless compared to everyone else. The Inca are at war with them anyway. Just some short-term fun. Consult the team, get 2 okays, that’s a majority.
Purchase a ROP from the Inca for 70 gold, they go from annoyed to polite.
Ring up Ragnar and give him the good news, we are now at war!
Move 3 MAs next door to Karasjok.

IBT: Moscow SS Exterior Casing=>Tank.
Yekatarinaburg Mass Transit=>Bomber.

Turn 4, 1520 AD: One Modern Armor takes 2 regular muskets out, goes elite loses 1 hp to a conscript Rifle. Second Modern Armor takes conscript Rifle out clean and I raze Karasjok…Whaat? No slaves? Bah!
Send 3 MAs toward Bodo.

IBT: Inca advance toward Bodo.

Turn 5, 1525 AD: This time, an MA at Bodo defeats a veteran Rifle losing 2 hp, and retreats from a rMusket. Second MA takes out that rMusket, losing 3 hp, and the final MA takes out and an rMusket clean and I raze Bodo for 1 slave.
Notice a slave jackpot, 5 Viking Settler pairs.

IBT: Vikings fight a spirited but doomed battle with Inca near ruins of Bodo.
Moscow Tank=>Tank.
Novgorod Police Station=>Intelligence Agency.
Babylon builds Manhattan Project.

Turn 6, 1530 AD: I’m sure I dd something this turn.

IBT: Lose a Cossack who was guarding the loose worker.
Pollution near Novgorod and Rostov.
Yekatarinaburg Bomber=>Police Station.

Turn 7, 1535AD: Notice the hard way, cultural expansion has taken our Iron colny. Call up the offending civ(Hittites) and play lets make a deal.
We trade Electronics for Iron, WM, 23 gpt and 40 gold.
Attitude goes from furious to annoyed.
Police Station gains us 16 Beakers from scientists.
Grab slave back. Kill the offending cavalry with MI, who goes elite.
Battle of Oslo:
vMA wins vs vRifle, -2hp. vMA wins vs vRifle clean. vMA wins vs rRifle, -1hp.
eMA wins vs vBerserk, -1hp. eMA wins vs vBerserk, -1hp. eMA wins vs vBerserk, clean.
eMA wins vs rBerserk clean, raze Oslo, net 15 slaves…Cha-ching!

IBT: Hammy warns us about our offending MI.
Moscow Tank=>Tank.

Turn 8, 1540 AD: Notice that the Inca have Aluminum for sale again.
So I trade Ecology to them for Aluminum, WM, 24 gpt and 40 gold.
I will try to finish this war quickly and lock down the Vikings as insurance.
Upgrade all Tanks but one.
Buy a ROP from Babylon for 50 gold.
Move troops toward Bergen.

IBT: Vikings move a few units, as do Ottoman, nothing threatening.
Nuclear Power arrives, next is Satellites.

Turn 9, 1545 AD: Battle of Bergen:
vMA wins vs vRifle, -2hp. eMA wins vs rRifle, -2hp. eMA wins vs rRifle, -2hp, Bergen razed, net 4 slaves.
Battle of Reykjavik:
vMA wins vs vRifle clean, vMA wins vs rRifle clean, and Reykjavik razed, net 2 slaves.
eMA wins vs vCav clean, grabs 2 more slaves.
Clean up a couple of loose berserks, build a 4x5 box around the Aluminum and make peace.
Thus concludes a very short war, we lost 1 Cossack and razed 5 cities.

IBT: Vikings continue getting beat up by Inca.
Moscow Modern Armor=>Modern Armor.
Pollution near Novgorod.

Turn 10, 1550 AD: Expand box around Aluminum and Oil to 5x6.
Barring aggressive settling and cultural development, these resources should be available to us for some time.
Clean up pollution near Novgorod.

Non-Combat
Workers 2
Slaves 44

Military units:
Ancient Cavalry 8
Cossacks 2
Mech Infantry 22
Modern Armor 14
Army 1, 3 Ancient Cavs
Artillery 11
Bomber 1
Transport 1

Total units 62
Allowed units 20
Support cost 84 gpt

Contacts
Babylon-Peace
France-Peace
Inca-Peace
Ottomans-Peace
Vikings- Peace
Hittites- Peace
Portugal- Eliminated

Cities
Moscow, Size 25, growth stalled, Modern Armor in 2 turns.
Novgorod, Size 27, growth in 3, Intelligence Agency in 3 turns.
Rostov, Size 25, growth in 5, The Internet in 1 turn.
Yaroslav, Size 33 growth in 6, Offshore Platform in 7 turns.
Yekatarinaburg, Size 28, growth in 28, Police Station in 2 turns.

Sliders
10/0/0, Satellites in 6 turns at +401 gpt, 15705 in the bank.

Screenshots for the Lurkers.

Spoiler :

Our core:

Parts east, note the blockades:

The save:

 

[TheOverseer714]

I recommend finishing the Internet, it should save 10 gpt in upkeep. Also, Police stations in all outlying cities can possibly wring a turn or 2 off the last 3 techs, the station in Novgorod turned 4cops into scientists. Maybe rush the police station in Yekatarinaburg and the offshore platfom in Yaroslav, then build one there, and start one after the Internet in Rostov. EVERY beaker counts.

 

[DWetzel]

I recommend finishing the Internet, it should save 10 gpt in upkeep.

You nit, we have 15k gold. (Not that there's anything else to build, so I actually don't disagree, but I still chuckled when I saw this.)

EVERY beaker counts.

Now, THIS I agree with.

Good call on the police stations. Not sure what I was or was not thinking in not building some of those.

 

[DWetzel]

Oh, and if we somehow need an iron source, there's one in the midst of our artillery blockade at our east. We should be able to spare a slave to colonize it.

 

[TheOverseer714]

I saw the Iron in our territory later. And I guess I have 'bill gates syndrome' wth the money, too much is never enough. Oh well, the trades made our enemies friendlier.

 

[Spoonwood]

EVERY beaker counts.

Water more?

 

[del62]

Nice work

Just a note, there is a landing gap round Aluminium that needs plugging.

 

[sk8boardbob2]

I'm busy with finals until Wednesday at the earliest. You guys could skip me if you wanted, if not, I'll get it done Wed or Thurs

 

[del62]

I dont mind waiting, if others are ok with that, it will be good to finish with everybody playing their sets.

 

[del62]

Unless sk8boardBob gets back, I will take this up in tomorrow or Tueday

 

[del62]

Got it

 

[TheOverseer714]

If no one else takes the save after you, lets finish this up. I think it can be done in 2 turnsets.

 

[del62]

Turnset

Spoiler :

Switch Yarolav to Police Station and rush yekiPolice Statiom

IBt Rortov Internet->PoliceStation
Yarolav Police Station-> Offshore Platform
Yekanturenberg PoliceStation -> Barracks

Yipee No Pollution

1555

Not a lot rush Police Station In Rostov

IBT

Moscow Modern Armour-> Modern Armour

Rostov Police Station -> Mil Academy Pre Build

Yek Barracks -> Modern Armour

1560

Irrigate near Rostov

IBT

French Cav Approaches Territor

Hiitites Build Desert City near Aluminium

Novograd Intelligence Agency to ModernArmour

1565AD

Irrigation

IBT Moscow MA->MA
Asked for un vote say no


1570


More Irriagation and add our two native workers to Novograd

IBT Pollution Strikes Novograd
Remaining

1575

Clean Pollution
Rush OfshorePlatform
And irrigate

Adjust Slider for overun

IBT
Hiitites Plant city not far from Alluminium
Discover Sattellites
And see whole world map

Swicth Rostov to SSThrusters in 3
Moscow MA -> ICBM
Novograd MA-> ICBM
Yaroslav Offshore P to ICBM

1580

Not much

IBT

Inca -> Babylon Peace Treaty

Babylon City near Aluminuim

1585

Not much

Rostov Thruster to ICBM

YEk MA -> ICBM

1590

Irrigation

IBT

Incans Killed of Vikings

French Cav Intrudes

1595

Ask French to remove they do

IBT

Ottoman Deal Expires

I will leave who is up next to do deals as it will effect their turnset

I recommend selling a tech to ottomans

As now in negative gpt

2 Techs, 2 Space Parts 11 turns

Then its finished

I dont know if irrigating moscow and addidng slaves might produce faster finish by 1 turn

We are currently on 1140 bpt, robotics will cost 8533, according to my crude calcs we need 80bpt extra to shave a turn off, is it possile?

DWetzel is up

 

[DWetzel]

Got it, and I'll finish it off if we're 11 turns out. Probably can't conjure up 80 bpt though.

Likely playing time is the weekend sometime.

 

[Spoonwood]

16 extra beakers per city. Suppose each city has Cope's, Newton's, a library, a university, and a research lab. That gives one 250% extra over base commerce. So, 16=2.5*x, thus x=32/5=6.4 extra commerce from squares. That comes as at least an extra 2 squares used in every city on average over 11 turns. Even without checking a save, I don't see that happening, and not every city has those improvements.

5 extra scientists in every city? Surely not.

Unless I've missed something, shaving a turn off here (without altering the program) comes as categorically impossible.

 

[DWetzel]

Played, without incident. Took 11 turns as expected. Space victory in 1655.

Spoiler :

1605: Pollution at Rostov.

1610: Inca DOW Hittites and blow up the tiny cities near our colonies.

1615: Laser in, Robotics in 8.

1620: ROP with Inca expires, I give them Space Flight for 24 gpt and 681g, horses, and 2 luxes, and renew it, just so I don't have to move units.

1625: Yaroslavl builds the Party Lounge. Slow down an ICBM build at Yekaterineburg by a turn, which will time with Robotics. Can also slow one down at Moscow, I guess.

1630: Pollution at Novogrod. Like an idiot, I forgot to adjust a gap in the blockade, so an Ottoman settler has arrived to claim our aluminum + oil. No big deal, when they get it I can trade with them, or blow some stuff up and reclaim it. Give Hittites rubber + 200g for iron, just because.

1635: Rostov ICBM-bomber. No, I don't want elections.

1640: Sell Ottomans Nuclear Power for saltpeter, aluminum, 439 gpt, 2810 g.

IBT: Ottomans boot us from their new territory.

1645: Gave Babs Ecology to renew the ROP, just because.

1655: Robotics in, swap Yekaterineburg to Stasis Chamber, launch (a couple of times since game crashed on me at space movie).