64% in US think creationism should be taught in school.

[LordRahl]

You gotta love the poll results. Assuming that most people on the board are young, there's definitely hope for the future. Threre's NO room for superstition in the science class!

 

[Fox Mccloud]

You gotta love the poll results. Assuming that most people on the board are young, there's definitely hope for the future.

Yeah, I guess you want a world where people are only allowed to agree with you, and can't accept any other possibility.....

Threre's NO room for superstition in the science class

Religion is not superstition. It's a possibility. There is a possibility that God created the world, why do you want to keep people from learning all possibilities? No one knows for sure if God created everything, so why do you want that posibility censored?

 

[LordRahl]

Religion is not superstition. It's a possibility. There is a possibility that God created the world, why do you want to keep people from learning all possibilities? No one knows for sure if God created everything, so why do you want that posibility censored?

For the same reason I don't want to teach people about the possiblity that the world was created by Unicorns...
Science class is about teaching facts, not Fairy Tales. If someone proves God's existence, then by all means - teach it in the science class, otherwise keep your Unicorn stories in church - where they belong...

Yeah, I guess you want a world where people are only allowed to agree with you, and can't accept any other possibility.....

No - I want a world in which Reason is supreme, and everything else follows.

 

[Fox Mccloud]

For the same reason I don't want to teach people about the possiblity that the world was created by Unicorns...
Science class is about teaching facts, not Fairy Tales. If someone proves God's existence, then by all means - teach it in the science class, otherwise keep your Unicorn stories in church - where they belong...

Then keep your stupid 'explosion out of nowhere that somehow created the universe fairy tales' out of science class. We don't exaclty have much proof of that either, yet it's taught, so why not teach my 'Fairy Tales'?

 

[Fox Mccloud]

No - I want a world in which Reason is supreme, and everything else follows.

Good, then teach inteligent design as a theory.

 

[Princeps]

Well, in my country they teach the myth of God's creation of the world, however they teach it in 'religion class' not in science class.

So, I have nothing against it, but teach it in the right class.

BTW, I think its rather ironic, or something. I'm thought science and religion by the same teacher!

 

[RoboPig]

if they start teaching creation in my school then i will go on strike!
What do we want?
Scientific fact!
what do we not want?
Unsupported theories!

 

[mdwh]

Truth is, even though Evolution may have some evidence, we should teach inteligent design because WE DON"T KNOW HOW EVERYTHING WAS CEATED! It should be taught as a theory, and anyone who says inteligent design should'nt be taught as a theory is just anti-religious, and doesn't want religion to get to the people.

Not wanting religion taught in science lessons is anti-religious?

Just because we don't know everything doesn't mean some random made-up idea might be true.

We need to keep an open mind to ALL posibilities , people!

So you are okay with teaching about the Flying Spaghetti Monster, or that we were all created out of magic goo?

I know, let's do away with teaching actual science (ie, that which has evidence, and can be tested) altogether, and replace it with teaching every religious story and every made up idea out there that anyone has ever had.

Good, then teach inteligent design as a theory.

It's not a theory.

Religion should only be taught in religion lessons. Ideas/Conjecture such as ID or "God" should be left to philosophy lessons.

 

[LordRahl]

Then keep your stupid 'explosion out of nowhere that somehow created the universe fairy tales' out of science class. We don't exaclty have much proof of that either, yet it's taught, so why not teach my 'Fairy Tales'?

Oh, there's plenty of evidence that our universe started with an explosion:
-it explains why galaxies keep drifting away at incredible speeds,
-it also predicted the existence of background radiation, which was later verified by Arno Penzias and Robert Wilson (who got nobel prizes for that)

True - the Big Bang Theory it was never proved, but that's why it's called a theory.

Can you provide any compelling evidence for existence of God? Any prediction which can be scientifically verified? Can you set up an experiment which would further your claim? Or can you simply accept that there is no need for God in order to explain the Universe as we know it...

 

[Speedo]

Hmmm, I thought I'd seen this thread before.

Truth is, even though Evolution may have some evidence, we should teach inteligent design because WE DON"T KNOW HOW EVERYTHING WAS CEATED! It should be taught as a theory, and anyone who says inteligent design should'nt be taught as a theory is just anti-religious, and doesn't want religion to get to the people. We need to keep an open mind to ALL posibilities , people! I'm disappointed that so many of you are so closed minded that you don't want God to be taught as a theory in Science class.

When you find a way to test creationism with the scientific method, then I'll agree with you 100%.

Until then, creationism is not science, and has no business in a science class. Out of curiosity, do you think Curtsibling or Stapel's "gay pink panda bears creating the world" (or whatever the hell that crazy thing one of them always pops into religious arguments and says ) should be taught in science courses? 'Cause it carries just about as much weight as creationism.

 

[Babbler]

You know, my General Biology teacher actually gave us an equal time for evolution and creation. If by equal time you mean equal time of the content and the usefulness each "theory".

She said --

• Creationism: God created life ~4000 BC in the garden of Eden.
• All Species are fixed.
• Not a scientific theory. (expect in Kansas and Dover)

We moved on for a 3 class introduction to evolution.

 

[Perfection]

My high school biology teacher on creationism. "We're now getting into the section on evolution, we don't have time for creationism, which is not considered a part of biology. I'm not gonna make you believe in evolution, I'm just gonna make you learn it. If you have any problems with it, talk to me after class"

 

[Fox Mccloud]

Oh, there's plenty of evidence that our universe started with an explosion:
-it explains why galaxies keep drifting away at incredible speeds,
-it also predicted the existence of background radiation, which was later verified by Arno Penzias and Robert Wilson (who got nobel prizes for that)

True - the Big Bang Theory it was never proved, but that's why it's called a theory.

There are plenty of other theories that people can come up for that in 5 minuetes, why not just believe those?

Can you provide any compelling evidence for existence of God? Any prediction which can be scientifically verified? Can you set up an experiment which would further your claim? Or can you simply accept that there is no need for God in order to explain the Universe as we know it...

If your willing to believe that some explosion came out of no where, and made everything, why not God? Why do you want to believe your theories, but call all ours 'fairy tales'? Doesn't that make you hypocrites?

 

[Babbler]

My high school biology teacher on creationism. "We're now getting into the section on evolution, we don't have time for creationism, which is not considered a part of biology. I'm not gonna make you believe in evolution, I'm just gonna make you learn it. If you have any problems with it, talk to me after class"

I bet he/she refer the student to your KO Creationism thread.

 

[LordRahl]

There are plenty of other theories that people can come up for that in 5 minuetes, why not just believe those?

Did you read my post? They theory PREDICTED existence of background radiation - and that prediction was LATER CONFIRMED by experiments...

What does your "God" theory predict that can be tested?

 

[Perfection]

There are plenty of other theories that people can come up for that in 5 minuetes, why not just believe those?

Because they are either more complex or don't actually explain the data. Or they aren't scientific.

If your willing to believe that some explosion came out of no where, and made everything,

Not to nitpick, but the Big Bang didn't make everything, it was just the start. During the entity of the Big Bang, no energy was created nor destroyed

why not God? Why do you want to believe your theories, but call all ours 'fairy tales'? Doesn't that make you hypocrites?

No, we have observable evidence and testible predictions that have borne out. You don't.

 

[Moss]

There is no way in hell that this poll represents an accurate sample of Americans.

Sorry, but it's more like 64 % of Americans DON'T want creationism taught in schools. At least not in science classes.

I see nothing wrong with creationism or religion of any kind being mentioned in the high school classroom...hell in literature and history and other classes topics like these ARE covered...in many college courses too, but it in no way should be mixed in with science...and I would hope most people would be able to tell the difference between theory and fact anyway...

 

[Perfection]

I bet he/she refer the student to your KO Creationism thread.

Well, she would've, but I actually started the thread after I took the course.

 

[Fox Mccloud]

I'm just going to stop this 'debate' now. Why? Because it's pointless, and I'm not going to be able to convert anyone because they just want to ignore that there is a chance that they are wrong. It's a waste of time telling you anything, because you just ignore it and use the "I'm right! Your Wrong!!!!111" arguement. You all want to teach the 1 thing you believe, and stop people from teaching anything else. You tell me you can't for a moment keep consider inteligent design as a posibility because you can't You are just like the Fundamentalist 'Christians' of the Middle ages. You only use science to try to deny God, but that's not what Science is all about. You are not real scientists, even though you claim you are. I don't want to talk to a bunch of fundamentalist Atheistic Religion-hatrs. Fortunately, 64% of my fellow Americans believe in open mindedness in our education, and want to teach us both sides of the arguement.

 

[LordRahl]

You all want to teach the 1 thing you believe, and stop people from teaching anything else.

How would you feel if I insisted on teaching about Unicorns in science class? That's how I feel about you insisting on teaching about "invisible man in the sky" in science class.