9/11 revisited

[ThERat]

Actually, the designers expressly them so that they would withstand a plane crash! This is often a conspiracy argument: But the conspiracy theorists conveniently forget that the building was designed to withstand a 737 (the biggest plane in the 70s), not a 767, and one empty of fuel and travelling slow in fog.

What do you mean, a slow airplane, they naturally has to assume if an airplane hit the building in fog, it would be at cruising speed. if you look at the weblink, they provided a comparison of the airplanes and does look that a 767 isn't that different from the airplane it was designed to withstand.

Maybe the theory about avoiding a topple seems not too off, it sounds more plausible than a deliberate attack carried out by Bush's cronies.

 

[Bugfatty300]

What do you mean, a slow airplane, they naturally has to assume if an airplane hit the building in fog, it would be at cruising speed. if you look at the weblink, they provided a comparison of the airplanes and does look that a 767 isn't that different from the airplane it was designed to withstand.

A jetliners crusing altituted is around 35,000 feet. If a plane where low enough to accidentally hit a building, it would not be traveling at cruising speed, since the plane most likely would be trying to land somewhere or in an approach or holding pattern.

 

[ThERat]

That I agree, of course we're not talking about 900km/h but maybe we can assume after taking off that an airplane has a speed of around 500km/h once it would reach WTC.

In fact I think the buildings had to be designed to withstand strong winds, which is rather demanding.

 

[(+) Influence]

"Never ascribe to malice that which can be explained by human stupidity."

Bin Laden accidentally flew plane into WTC

 

[Xenocrates]

Bin Laden accidentally flew plane into WTC

You just sucked the wind out of everyone's sails.

If there had been a good enquiry there would be no argument.

So why not ask for one?

 

[carlosMM]

That I agree, of course we're not talking about 900km/h but maybe we can assume after taking off that an airplane has a speed of around 500km/h once it would reach WTC.

In fact I think the buildings had to be designed to withstand strong winds, which is rather demanding.

wind is an area load, a plane is a point load.

Your skin can withstand wind pressures, but not a knife - same reason.

 

[Xenocrates]

"Wrecking crew hits wrong building
Mar. 5, 2006 at 5:30PM
A wrecking crew in New York City punched a hole in the wrong building, forcing startled tenants to evacuate, city officials said.
A crane operator Saturday put a 10-foot gash in the foundation of a three-story building in Queens that had not been scheduled for any work, the New York Daily News reported Sunday.
"As soon as I heard a big bang, I woke up," said Andrew Albarracin, who lives on the second floor of the building. "I hear the banging every day, so I went back to sleep. But this was louder than before. Next thing I knew, I woke up to a fireman at my door telling me I have to evacuate."
The foundation will have to be repaired before the tenants can return, said Buildings Department spokeswoman Jennifer Givner.
City officials said they plan to issue cite the contractor for violations."

http://washtimes.com/upi/20060305-043452-4308r.htm

Maybe those that said incompetence explains 9/11 have a point...

Nah!

 

[Neomega]

Anyone ever hear of John O'Neill?

to sum it up, former head of FBI of New York

had an "insane obsession" with al-queada

started work as head of security for the twin towers on September 11, 2001
killed in the September 11th attacks... on his first day of work as head of security for the twin towers

Known as a real "by the book kind of guy", real stickler for the rules. Made enemies in the FBI, as would anyone at that stature of power.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/knew/could/911commission.html

read more about him here:

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/knew/john/

---What am I saying. With an open mind, see how a great man, doing a great job, was paid back by those who cared more about power and influence.

Were the towers rigged? probably not.

Did the CIA and FBI know an attack was going to happen on the twin towers? Of course they did, the head of New York FBI was going crazy trying to warn them, and getting fired for it. Of course! It actually happened 8 years prior.

 

[Irish Caesar]

Who starts work on a Tuesday?

 

[Neomega]

Who starts work on a Tuesday?

read all about it at the PBS website. I am not making this up.

here is a bunch of witnesses that worked for the FBI and friends (read: credible)

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/knew/john/fbi.html

a good quote:

John became very paranoid the last year, year and a half of his life. I would say to him, "John, I feel like you're paranoid." But you know what? He wasn't paranoid. They were out to get him. There were a handful of people in D.C. that were out to get John O'Neill.

the world coalition in this war against terrorism is the single most important thing we have going for us. John O'Neill, probably more than anyone else, built that.

Hey, it's gone now, all we have left is a bunch of enemies... how did that happen?

Who would ever want enemies for America, and a more brutal war on terrorism, with America standing alone, doing all the fighting?

 

[IglooDame]

wind is an area load, a plane is a point load.

Your skin can withstand wind pressures, but not a knife - same reason.

But wind knocks you over, and a knife makes you fall down.

Which is why I've never thought that a plane impact could knock over any substantial building, by the way.

 

[carlosMM]

But wind knocks you over, and a knife makes you fall down.

Which is why I've never thought that a plane impact could knock over any substantial building, by the way.

please show me a building 'knocked over' by a plane impact.

 

[Yeeek]

Sorry to bump this Thread, but as another thread on this subject has been posted i prefered to post in this thread instead.

I have a question.. I have a hard time believing 9/11 hijacker's passports were found amist the wrecks of the WTC.. Just like that. Don't you find it bogus?

 

[Civrules]

Wait, I'm confused. People actually believe this video?
I was confused while watching it. I almost thought it was a clear and intentional joke.
Pretty much all of the facts that young man was saying on the video were wrong. He didn't even sound professional. He sounded like he was about to cry all throughout it.

And who puts out a documentary with clear errors? A B-52 did not hit the Empire State Building. A B-25 did.

It’s almost embarrassing to watch the video since there are so many things wrong with it. It’s sad how tragedies inspire such conspiracy theories.

 

[Irish Caesar]

Of course. Most of the remains of the people who died, whether in the buildings or planes, could not be even found, let alone identified. There just wasn't much left of anything.