a great problem: Persians are not arabs!

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you like i keep on to speaking?!!
i thing that the problem is accent!. his accent is arabic
the first language is the old persian
listen to me in sasanid periud we have a official and very standard language to name "avestayi" but very our people dont accept his language and they used of middle persian.


I don't understand what your problem is. Firstly, Aramaic sounds like Arabic but is not Arabic. First learn Arabic before claiming that someone is speaking it. Another example would be the Mel Gibson/Jesus movie, it was all in Aramaic, and though it had many words that sounded like Arabic, it wasn't.

Secondly, you should be happy that they took the time to research the Persian Empire and delivered an authentic experience. If they used the language of the commoners instead of the royal court I am sure there would have been other people complaining. Some other civilizations did not get the same level of detail or research and ended up with a hack job (e.g. Ramses speaking Arabic).

Your complaint has gone beyond its scope and now it just seems you have some Ultra-Nationalist agenda you want to push. We should not have to suffer because you guys lost at Al-Qadisiya all those years ago.
 
i am iranian. dont need you teach me my history
the sassanid preiud was a example.

Seriously take a downer. How is my question offensive?? I dont care what nationality you are. I have read your posts and you're english is not that good perhaps you are misunderstanding us. But honestly throughout your posts sound like you are repeating popular nationalist cultural fictions more than history (like George Washington and the cherry tree).

Please answer the question: what does Sassanid Persia have to do with the language spoken at the court of Darius??

Rat
 
you like i keep on to speaking?!!
i thing that the problem is accent!. his accent is arabic
the first language is the old persian
listen to me in sasanid periud we have a official and very standard language to name "avestayi" but very our people dont accept his language and they used of middle persian.

I don't get it. Not as much your grammar as your logic. What do they Sassanids have to do with Darius? See what MadRat said.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sassanid_Empire

The Sassanids were quite a long time away from Darius.
 
Dear Great Cyrus,

Firstly you could start by accepting Darius does not speak Arabic in game. I can understand the need to discuss why he spoke Aramaic but really close you previous arguments before just throwing out new stuff to talk about. I see this everywhere, some people simple do not go back on their previous statements and come to a conclusion or mutual acceptable agreement before heading into a new one. What is so hard about saying, okay it seems you are right about his language. He does not speak Arabic in game but I thought he did. Case closed.

Then we can move on to the issue (dead horse or not) of him speaking Aramaic. Multiple posters gave you a reason why, 2Kgames have an official statement about it too. Will try to look it up for you but if anyone can link it that would be sweet. You are simply not helping anyone by sticking to your own nationalistic beliefs when people try to explain to you in a polite way why this choice has been made. It is not wrong to be proud about your country or history but it is not very nice to refuse to take a step towards other people when they try to have a discussion with you. Reach an agreement.

I might not understand the fact that so many Iranians fall over the use of Aramaic so please explain to us, with examples if you can, why this is the case? Keep it civil and to the point.

Let me give you an example of my own situation. I am Dutch, as I said before, and I could accept the historical correct language of German for a possible leaderhead of the Dutch (The Netherlands) in the future. Why? Because there are reasons for using it. Our royal bloodline came from that area and back in those times Dutch was a commoner language mostly (of the people in the street). French and German the royal ones. Thus all three would be acceptable. I might not like it, also because of our history with Germany in world war II but it is still a choice of the developers I can live with. I personally would not be offended by German but I know some Dutch people would be. Here I explained to you why we might feel unhappy about such a choice. Clear and easy to understand.

See my point? If Darius would have spoken English then YOU have a good reason to complain. Right now it just seems you are unhappy and won't change your mind. Again, I can accept that but please do not state that it is stupid that he speaks Aramaic. It is a possible historic correct choice after all and it has been made. You can say you would have liked him to speak something else but there the discussion ends really. Don't make it drag on and on without reason.

Clear enough?

Thank you for reading
 
And definitely not what royalty would've spoken during the Tang Zhou Dynasty.

Similar story with Ramkhamhaeng, who speaks modern standard vernacular Thai.

Actually, Ram does a pretty good job and speaks in the royal register at least some of the time (e.g. "Jao bawk wah"). He does get very informal tho' with things like "Rao gumlang fang yu". And for some things there's no difference between registers (e.g. "Dee maak", "Nae Norn").

As a side note, the story goes that Ramkamhaeng the Great invented the Thai "alphabet".
 
Maybe Wu speaks like a peasant and Darius is using the wrong language, I don't know and I don't really care because it does the trick for me.

I underestand the two english, bismark and a bit of katherina. Nappy and ceasar are easy to understand too, although I neither speak latin nor french. Anyway, as I'm not a native speaker to any of these languages I can't notice anything strange in them, let's see when they finally give us a spanish speaking leader.
 
Dear Great Cyrus,

Firstly you could start by accepting Darius does not speak Arabic in game. I can understand the need to discuss why he spoke Aramaic but really close you previous arguments before just throwing out new stuff to talk about. I see this everywhere, some people simple do not go back on their previous statements and come to a conclusion or mutual acceptable agreement before heading into a new one. What is so hard about saying, okay it seems you are right about his language. He does not speak Arabic in game but I thought he did. Case closed.

Then we can move on to the issue (dead horse or not) of him speaking Aramaic. Multiple posters gave you a reason why, 2Kgames have an official statement about it too. Will try to look it up for you but if anyone can link it that would be sweet. You are simply not helping anyone by sticking to your own nationalistic beliefs when people try to explain to you in a polite way why this choice has been made. It is not wrong to be proud about your country or history but it is not very nice to refuse to take a step towards other people when they try to have a discussion with you. Reach an agreement.

I might not understand the fact that so many Iranians fall over the use of Aramaic so please explain to us, with examples if you can, why this is the case? Keep it civil and to the point.

Let me give you an example of my own situation. I am Dutch, as I said before, and I could accept the historical correct language of German for a possible leaderhead of the Dutch (The Netherlands) in the future. Why? Because there are reasons for using it. Our royal bloodline came from that area and back in those times Dutch was a commoner language mostly (of the people in the street). French and German the royal ones. Thus all three would be acceptable. I might not like it, also because of our history with Germany in world war II but it is still a choice of the developers I can live with. I personally would not be offended by German but I know some Dutch people would be. Here I explained to you why we might feel unhappy about such a choice. Clear and easy to understand.

See my point? If Darius would have spoken English then YOU have a good reason to complain. Right now it just seems you are unhappy and won't change your mind. Again, I can accept that but please do not state that it is stupid that he speaks Aramaic. It is a possible historic correct choice after all and it has been made. You can say you would have liked him to speak something else but there the discussion ends really. Don't make it drag on and on without reason.

Clear enough?

Thank you for reading
many thank you
i dont want speak more but i just say:
1. i like you because you are very wise man
2.why ramesses speak arabic?!

this is for that friend that asked about sassanid preiud
Achaemenian and Sassanid preiud are persian

if anyone have any question of me please ask me

Result: I think that if you use of new persian for darius it is very good:);)
Kourosh Ariya:king:
 
Seriously take a downer. How is my question offensive?? I dont care what nationality you are. I have read your posts and you're english is not that good perhaps you are misunderstanding us. But honestly throughout your posts sound like you are repeating popular nationalist cultural fictions more than history (like George Washington and the cherry tree).

Please answer the question: what does Sassanid Persia have to do with the language spoken at the court of Darius??

Rat

Hello again mister rat
I don’t need any downer. Im very fine
In past I told you im the head of small party to name Pan Parsism. So it is very normal that I defend of my race and my country.
Now i explain for you all things:
You asked me about sassanid period
They don’t replaced any language on aramai. The aramai language destroyed by Alexander.
Iran of 2500 years ago to about 1200 years later
1.(about 250 years) (old persian, aramai)
2.greek period
3.parthian period (about 400 years) (pahlavi ashkani)
4.sassanid period (about 450 years) (pahlavi sasani, avestayi)
Old Persian is the mother of pahlavi and avestayi and middle Persian and modern Persian)
After fightings arabs against us _my view is we lost our great emoire_ and changing our religion to islam flowing that we lost our writing language.
Its done!!
 
To my french ears, Napoleon speak really good french, with absolutely no accent.

Same here.

His acting skills are not the best though, and his tone is very familiar and arrogant, talking to me as if I were a kid playing a video game instead of the ruler of an Empire - ho wait...

But the guy who dubbed him is incontestably french.
 
Yeah, he speaks french with a late 20th century accent. Shame, really.

(Sorry, I thought this was a thread for nitpicking)
 
many thank you
i dont want speak more but i just say:
1. i like you because you are very wise man
2.why ramesses speak arabic?!

this is for that friend that asked about sassanid preiud
Achaemenian and Sassanid preiud are persian

if anyone have any question of me please ask me

Result: I think that if you use of new persian for darius it is very good:);)
Kourosh Ariya:king:

2) Ramesses speaks Arabic because no one knows the Egyptian language.
 
2) Ramesses speaks Arabic because no one knows the Egyptian language.

Experts know the consonants of Ancient Egyptian. Coptic, the liturgical language of the Coptic church also stems from Egyptian (it's Modern Egyptian or Egyptian is Old Coptic, if you will). They used Egyptian (Coptic) Arabic instead for practical purposes. It IS very possible to do Egyptian however.
 
Katherine didn't speak french exclusively, she used German a lot and Russian on occassion, she even knew some Polish. These leaders were not monolingual,; thus having her speak Russian is fine.
Rat

Indeed. I notice she wrote most of her correspondence in Russian on what concerns internal Russian questions. She even wrote in Russian to her lover and right-hand Grigory Potyomkin.

Also, about the Dutch: Willem van Oranje spoke poor Dutch (he tried to learn it, but he could communicate very well with just High German, which wasn't so different from Dutch and French).
Still ,the Dutch Republic did everything to cultivate the Dutch language and all of the administration was done in that language. Scientific works also often were translated to Dutch from Latin and sometimes written in Dutch first-handedly. Back then however, it was arguebly due to nationalism of course. It was because of geopolitical strategy, not because of emotions. People didn't make troubles writing in every language possible besides that (not in the Republic*).
Also, during the Edo period in Japan. The Dutch were the only ones allowed to trade with the Japanese (they only were granted entry to a trading outpost at Hirado). Until late as the 19th century, Japanese used Dutch as the diplomatic language with foreign powers (despite the Dutch not being a major power anymore for a long time).
In the Spanish Netherlands Standard Dutch was often persecuted and made a taboo over the Dutch dialects there or French/Spanish, lowering its prestige. Why ? The Catholic Church already in the 17th century was affraid of Cavinist influences slipping in through that medium. It was no coincidence Dutch-speaking parts and not French-speaking (except for Tournai) revolted in the 16th century. The influence of language, the power of it was never underestimated.
Change of language is a change of influence sphere, also in the Early Modern Age and also in the Middle Ages, actually. It only became more and more important later on, and it stagnated during the nationalism era. That's true.

*: Not true. When the Edict of Nantes was put through in France, many Huguenots moved to the Netherlands. The Republic did everything to attract them to move to their South African colony. They remembered how hard it was to assimilate Walloons to the Dutch language before. What they did was spreading the Huguenot settlers to different corners of the colony and keeping them as much isolated from one another as possible. Result: after one generation everyone spoke Dutch.


EDIT: Sorry for my long historical rant/wall of text about the Dutch language and history. It's hard to control myself when the subject arises. I always fail at keeping it short.
 
In this intense debating about French and Dutch and Aramaic languages and such, I'm sure my wee little comment will go unnoticed, but I wanted to say one thing:

I liked Nobunaga's Japanese. First time I've heard native Japanese in a Western product (besides Inception, which, a minute in, became my favorite movie of the year cuz of Watanabe Ken and real Japanese actors). Yeah, he said some funny phrases and it was bad, but in an endearing, puppy-trying-really-hard-to-get-out-of-the-basket way.

No complaints. :)

Your comment didn't went unnoticed !!
I also really like Nobunaga speaking japanese. Actually, He is my favourite Leader :)


I just downloaded Hammurabi yesterday. What an awful character he is !! Is he just a drunkard with a broken voice in his hellish green palace ??
 
1) We know the Coptic language. It is still spoken by Egyptian Christians for liturgical purposes. No it is not the Egyptian Ramses would have known, but it is the same language ... just separated by time (like modern and ancient Greek, modern and ancient English, Italian and Latin). In any case, it is closer to Ramses' language than Arabic. The developers should patch this. It is disrespectful to the intelligence of the community, as well as to the modern Coptic community. Similarly, when the Celts come in as DLC or XP, the leader should be talking Welsh or Breton, not French or English.

2) Darius should be speaking Persian, rather than Aramaic. Aramaic was for a time the main bureaucratic langauge, but it wasn't Darius' language. In any case, even if it were, it'd be like having Catherine talk in French. True but not representative.
 
hey mister i dont accept your stupid writers, ok?
when alexander has burned all our book where you were?
who is barbaric? you or us? listen to me
our languages we used is hakhamaneshi ,pahlavi , parsi
its notimportant what you say to this 3 language cuz your not immportant.
dont want you say me what i shoud read.

A yes, Iranians and the truth, that is often not a very good combination. I don't care what you read or think, but the FACT is that Darius I made aramic thé offical language of this empire. This does NOT mean that the common people didn't speak Farsi or what ever, it just means that it was the language of the government. So for that reason and that reason alone, it is not incorrect that Darius I speaks Aramic.

Where you got the idea of barbarisme is a mystery to me as I didn't call you barbaric to begin with. But maybe it is just the way you think. I would advice (not saying you should, but it could help you) to study the ancient persian empire as it is not modern day Iran. Btw I don't give a ff about what Darius I speaks but I just can't stand people who try and falsify history for their own vision of greatness. But I guess everyone from the west is a stupid writer, eh?
 
I think he is right, it not nice to mix those cultures, they have and used to have much cultural differences and also their religion has many differences today!

A little bit more historical sensitivity and this game would be much more awesome.

I really like the way Augustus speaks Latin. Speaking with an Englisch accent would be unrealistic as this language came up a little bit later :mischief:
 
I think the argument is moot. Cyrus back there pointed out that aramaic was a widely used language in the Persian empire. Thus is it plausible that Darius did indeed use it on occasion. This would also be more likely when speaking to the emissary of a foreign power since aramaic (given its wide usage) would likely have been known more to travellers.

Rat
 
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