A Little Tweak To Keelyn

[MaxAstro]

Just something I've been playing around with recently, trying to make her as fun to play as her father.

This is probably horribly, horribly unbalanced (it at the very least makes Freaks useless)... but it's quite fun to play! ^_^

...At least until you get a Withered or Enraged Loki, that is... XD Then again, a Light Loki would be nice...

 

[Rex rgis of Ter]

Awesome Idea! Can't wait to try it out.

 

[MagisterCultuum]

Eh... not sure I like it.

Chaosborn overlaps to much with chaos mana effect and the Freak unit. Loki doesn't have a unit class so he wouldn't ever get mutation from this trait. Also, I'm just not sure how well it fits her theme.

If there were a "child" trait, Cardith Lorda would need it too. However, it's effects definately don't fit him. Maybe this should be renamed "Immature," "Capricious," "Naive" or something like that?


I'm actually not sure how much I like the summoner trait for her either now that Balseraph summons are just puppets. It doesn't seem like her being raised by demons would make her puppets better.

 

[MaxAstro]

Cardith Lorda is only a child in appearance. Keelyn is actually a child, in the true sense of the word. She literally hasn't yet grown up, which is why that felt appropriate.

Chaosborn... yeah, it doesn't fit. I just wanted to play around with giving it to someone and seeing how they played, and Keelyn was the first person who came to mind.

Forgot about Loki being un-mutatable due to not having any promotions... oh, well.

Also, Chaos mana still has the chance of mutating workers or settlers.

I'll probably change it when I think of think of something more appropriate (I might just make it so that only her mage units get Mutated, that would be more appropriate and keep Freaks and the like useful), but for now it makes for a very unpredictable game.

 

[Psychic_Llamas]

or you could give all units a chaos mana affinity. and i think the child trait suits

but i agree summonner dosn't fit.

i was thinking, another trait called Mime (or something similar like Mimic or Copy Cat) which causes the leader to adopt one random trait from the leader of the last civ that was met. and when all civs have been discovered, the leader randomly adopts a trait from the leader of their favourite ally. (so if Keelyn knows Cardith Lorda and Hyborem, and meets Varn Gossam, she will adopt one of Varn's traits untill she meets a new civ, or all civs have been discovered. she may then be very good friends with an OO Cardith Lorda, and adopt his Sprawling Trait, instead until she mimics her new favourite leader)

 

[Grey Fox]

but i agree summonner dosn't fit.

No? What about how she was raised by summoners that left her to play with their summons, and she learned how to summon them herself so she could keep them around longer?

 

[thomas.berubeg]

i was thinking, another trait called Mime (or something similar like Mimic or Copy Cat) which causes the leader to adopt one random trait from the leader of the last civ that was met. and when all civs have been discovered, the leader randomly adopts a trait from the leader of their favourite ally. (so if Keelyn knows Cardith Lorda and Hyborem, and meets Varn Gossam, she will adopt one of Varn's traits untill she meets a new civ, or all civs have been discovered. she may then be very good friends with an OO Cardith Lorda, and adopt his Sprawling Trait, instead until she mimics her new favourite leader)

I like this one. (possible name: immpresionable)

 

[jeff_vandenberg]

i was thinking, another trait called Mime (or something similar like Mimic or Copy Cat) which causes the leader to adopt one random trait from the leader of the last civ that was met. and when all civs have been discovered, the leader randomly adopts a trait from the leader of their favourite ally. (so if Keelyn knows Cardith Lorda and Hyborem, and meets Varn Gossam, she will adopt one of Varn's traits untill she meets a new civ, or all civs have been discovered. she may then be very good friends with an OO Cardith Lorda, and adopt his Sprawling Trait, instead until she mimics her new favourite leader)

That does sound interesting at the very least.

 

[DharmaMcLaren]

I like this one. (possible name: immpresionable)

One problem I can see with this is that if she took Sprawling, what would happen to the cities that would be settlements if they had been founded with Sprawling? That could be really imbalanced, like if she met Cardith Lorda with already about 15 cities and took Sprawling.

 

[Ekolite]

Sounds interesting although I think allowing her to get traits like sprawling and insane etc would be a bit unbalanaced. She should only be able to get the traits that it is possible to get with adaptive.

 

[Psychic_Llamas]

No? What about how she was raised by summoners that left her to play with their summons, and she learned how to summon them herself so she could keep them around longer?

ok then, i admit to havbing never actually read the background of the leaders (i just want to play! ) so summoning does fit

One problem I can see with this is that if she took Sprawling, what would happen to the cities that would be settlements if they had been founded with Sprawling? That could be really imbalanced, like if she met Cardith Lorda with already about 15 cities and took Sprawling.

This is very true. perhaps we could just make it so unique traits like insane and sprawling cannot be gained in this way.

 

[MagisterCultuum]

Actually, Keelyn wasn't raised by summoners but by their summons (demons, mostly imps). She learned how to summon so that she could bring her friends back. (note that her mother was aslo a spy for the Sheaim, the world's best summoners, so she may have also inherited a natural talent for summoning.)

The thing that doesn't fit is that the Balseraphs don't get demonic summons, only puppets. As mich as it fits the carnaval theme, the Balseraph conjurer UU doesn't make sense for her. (It doen't make a lot of sense for her father either, since his summoners clearly summoned demons, not just puppets of demons, to raise her)

Since so much time was spent makeing the Puppeteer and Puppet graphics, I don't think they will get rid of them. Actually, I like puppeteers and puppets, but I don't think they should replace the normal conjurers. They really don't seem like arcane units at all to me (unless their puppets are like vodoo dalls are somthing, instead of actually fighting). I would like it if they were a new, non-arcane UU that doesn't replace anything. Also, I would like it if they could also make puppets of things other than the normal summons, maybe of any unit near them (puppets would probably then have to be weaker than normal summons)

 

[Grey Fox]

Actually, Keelyn wasn't raised by summoners but by their summons (demons, mostly imps). She learned how to summon so that she could bring her friends back.

Well that was basically what I said. I said:

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Originally Posted by Psychic_Llamas
but i agree summonner dosn't fit.

No? What about how she was raised by summoners that left her to play with their summons, and she learned how to summon them herself so she could keep them around longer?

 

[Nikis-Knight]

The think that doesn't fit is that the Balseraphs don't get demonic summons, only puppets. As mich as it fits the carnaval theme, the Balseraph conjurer UU doesn't make sense for her. (It doen't make a lot of sense for her father either, since his summoners clearly summoned demons, not just puppets of demons, to raise her)

Yes, well, that's the peril of writting stories based on evolving mechanics. I don't know if it is worth cleaning up, do you think so?

 

[MagisterCultuum]

I think so. It isn't urgent by any means, but it would nice to fix this eventually. I would also like to see some different types of puppet, and somethink that makes them unique in more ways than appearance.

 

[Psychic_Llamas]

i like the voodoo doll idea for the puppeteer. perhaps they could have an ability to control one nearby enemy for a few turns, whist immobilizing themselves. they should be a national unit that dosnt replace anything then, so ordinary demon summoners can still exist.

Yes, well, that's the peril of writting stories based on evolving mechanics. I don't know if it is worth cleaning up, do you think so?

but i dont think its a big deal, and dosnt need to be cleaned up, not urgently anyway.

 

[loocas]

On the subject of the Puppeteer: The Balseraphs have a wonderfully unique recon line. It's kind of a jack-of-all-trades unit type, mixing magic and combat and anything else. I think the Puppeteer would fit in nicely there. Imagine instead of summoning he were to trap the souls of the dying, turning them into puppets. In the game this would work by creating a puppet when a unit in the Puppeteer's stack is killed. And unless I misunderstand, this works around the discrepancy between summons and puppets.

 

[it-ogo]

Cardith Lorda is only a child in appearance. Keelyn is actually a child, in the true sense of the word. She literally hasn't yet grown up, which is why that felt appropriate.

So she should mature in a few turns.

 

[MaxAstro]

Hehe, actually, I originally gave her Adaptive for exactly that purpose: When Adaptive triggered, she could get rid of Child.

However, Adaptive seemed overpowered for her in the long run.

 

[Xuenay]

So she should mature in a few turns.

Some people never really mature, no matter how long they live.