A question about the Soviet officer purge

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It's rather simple - the question I mean. What were Stalin's reasons for it?

Yes, he was a monster, but he rarely did things for no reason at all. He also wasn't stupid, so I assume he must have known that killing so many officers would gravely damage the Red Army's organization and capability as a fighting force. Obviously, he thought that it was an acceptable price, a lesser danger... compared to what, exactly? What did Stalin fear would have happened if he hadn't initiated the purge?

And was there something to it, or was it just his paranoia? In other words, was there any real danger that the Red Army could stage some kind of a military coup against Stalin? Was that the reason why Stalin started the purge?
 
I remember reading somewhere that there were actually elements of the army who seemed to be getting ready to remove him, but I can't remember the details. In any case, the reaction was obviously insane.
 
I wouldn't attribute it entirely to paranoia. Most of it was actually a very rational fear. Basically, by the 30's the Red Army had gotten so big and powerful that it had a significant political clout. We're talking about the largest standing army at the time, dispersed about a very large, ethnically and culturally diverse and, most importantly, forcefully created country. The Red Army was an enormous war machine, which was already gearing up for another Great war. It could and it probably would stage a coup if Stalin didn't keep them in check.

He devised a rather simple solution to this problem - instead of him fearing them, he turned the tables and made them fear him. Anybody who wasn't a hardliner Stalinist was dubbed an enemy of the people or a counter-revolutionary, sent to the camps, or promptly shot in some basement by the NKVD. Now, this might sound like paranoia, but we're talking about people imbued with both significant power and a revolutionary mentality. Lenin's political speech invention, the Novogovor was used to great effect here. Stalin wanted to keep his power so he presented himself as a revolutionary, while his political enemies, the true and potential revolutionaries were dubbed counter-revolutionary.

Contrary to popular belief, back in those days wiretapping wasn't as widespread as later in USSR history because it was quite hard and expensive. So Stalin only knew who some of his enemies were. His, also rather simple, solution to this problem was that he set quotas for enemies of the state for the NKVD to fulfill. Everybody had to fear him. Which resulted in the massive purges. The aftermath was that the NKVD also got too powerful, virtually an army of its own, which also had a LOT of dirt on everybody who had some power and could actually even make legal cases against people (though it didn't really bother to). This too resulted in a number of purges and internal revolutions within the NKVD. But that's a whole different story. Or two. Or three.

Anyway, it's hard to say what would've happened if Stalin didn't commit this particular atrocity of his. With its officer staff intact Red Army would probably have been better prepared for war by the time Hitler knocked the door down with the Wehrmacht's boot. Although I believe that by that time Stalin would have been removed from power and the USSR might have actually started the war earlier by oneupping the Germans and invading first. But since it didn't really happen that way, this last paragraph is pure speculation. And that's as far as I'll go.
 
I wouldn't attribute it entirely to paranoia. Most of it was actually a very rational fear.

Exactly. The thinking men - or many of them, at any rate - actually did think he was a lunatic who was dangerous for his country!
 
But was there any indication backed by evidence that there was a coup brewing? Or was it just a preventive move by Stalin?
 
well, frankly, his position was rather weak to begin with; or, better said, his legitimacy as Lenin's successor was rather weak(or actually, non existent). He manipulated himself to the top.

under those circumstances, his fear seems pretty logic. Not being the natural successor, fearing the rest would have troubles accepting him, seems pretty common sense to try and get rid of them.

and it wasn't a "red army purge" - it was a purge; it affected the red army among other things(obviously more, since more power was concentrated there).

I don't know of any evidence, but I wouldn't believe "evidences" comin' from that part anyway...
 
Exactly. The thinking men - or many of them, at any rate - actually did think he was a lunatic who was dangerous for his country!

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I remember reading somewhere that there were actually elements of the army who seemed to be getting ready to remove him, but I can't remember the details. In any case, the reaction was obviously insane.
I don't know of any elements of the armed forces who ever actually planned to remove Stalin. Evidence of that sort of thing tended to be created by the NKVD - along with "confessions" obtained through torture - so as to lend a stamp of legitimacy to Stalin's actions.
 
the proof of the conspiracy was provided by the Germans , where Himmler provided a detailed list of their actual and invented contacts inside the Russian military . Many of those killed were also capable of cooperating with the Democracies against the Nazis and Stalin was already entertaining notions of an alliance with Berlin .
 
Talking about 1941? Or as part of the earlier Great Purge?
 
if post#10 relates to my account , Stalin was a smart man and everybody in Russia saw great potential in a cooperation with the Germans , memoirs about the period are full of how Russians looked up to the Germans in the period when there were military schools in Russia . What Russians failed to see was Nazis were "honourable" in one single point and that would be that one day they would colonise East Europe and beyond , keeping the promise in Mein Kampf .
 
to further the distinction , and to make it clearer ( as ı tend to really mess writing online compared to double-triple checks writing at home ) .

there are two distinct Russian approaches to the alliance question . One is pre-May 1940 and peace / war time . Western Europe , especially England rules the world . Communists are on the to do list of the great capitalists in London and Paris . Germany fresh out of the Great War and still paying reperations would have been a nice friend to have . The military schools issue was a two way street , Germans would have a venue to keep up with the West , Russians would have the know-how of awe inspiring German technology . And when there was a critical mass , maybe Moscow and Berlin could stand shoulder to shoulder against West Europe . Some romanticism as well , if that is the correct term here that the Germans could be induced to think more in revolutionary terms , though ı would doubt any single person in Moscow would place this in anywhere but slight hope section of their minds . Germans had already crushed a couple of revolutions , didn't they ?

Moving on in time . The sides have clashed in Spain , everybody expects a showdown between the two , Czechoslovakia has been stabbed in the back to keep the Nazis in charge ; Russians have a useful intelligence operation and they are really aware of the travails . The rarely studied history of how German generals thought Nazis to be useful fools and discovered they were neither fools nor even useful shows the sad failure of the Seecktian approach to get rid of Adolf and his followers . One reason Himmler provides the names is that he expects the favour returned , though the Russian list would contain unimportant , easily replaced figures and none of the people who lived up to their -von prefixes ( or deserved one in the multiple cases where they didn't have it ) ; though few that disappeared were actual disasters for their families . These are two thugs who have sized each other and they have discovered they can give the other a bloody nose . The first rule of the bully is to find someone that can't bully back , so they are talking each other to avoid each other .

all the while Communists expect the leading Fascists to be hypocrites , just like themselves . They don't give it enough credibility that Goering has claims around Kiev for his personal holdings ( just as an example if am not mistaking it ) though they know there is going to be a reckoning with "Capitalism" and they must prepare regardless of whom they would face . We are Turks , we have a healthy tradition of Moskof bashing , though when going through the 1939 pact critically , one finds some sympathy with the Reds in Turkish accounts of the day . This is the vacillating emnity .

post May 1940 , there is no vacillation. Everything has turned upsidedown in the world . France is no more , London will bring America in . A limited amount of time when Germany has a chance to gain an advantage , any advantage . The sides know it very well that they will fight and no quarters will be given . By 1941 , Stalin was always lying when he talked good of Germans . That didn't stop him from searching a military pact against Middle East with the Germans to get extra advantages for the big one . The one to follow the comparitively smaller affair where they would stab Germans in the back . They would have read de Tocqueville , they knew they would face Americans someday .
 
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